What are things about Green Day that you don't like?

[Doris The Spider]

You think religion doesn't hurt anybody, or doesn't affect the whole country???

Unfortunately, more and more religion and politics have been one with each other, and that's pretty shitty.

Because the "who cares"-attitude will get us nowhere, that's why.

But I'm talking about religion and politics being to different things. So no, religion doesn't affect how the country is run.

[Pedestrian9394]

But I'm talking about religion and politics being to different things. So no, religion doesn't affect how the country is run.

I'm not trying to be harsh or rude, but in case you haven't noticed, we're STILL fighting for separation of church and state. When certain groups of people are persecuted due someone's religious beliefs, religion and politics come together (unfortunately.)

[Eeefaa.]

Okay, from reading all the above stuff, I've decided that I dont like how Green Day tried to express everything in their last record. I mean, they bash religion, workers, war, small towns, leaders, etc in 21stCBD. It's all so jumbled. Where as AI to me was a bit more: thank you people in charge for making the rest of the world think we're stupid, we actually think war is wrong too.

Idk, that wasnt well explained. Basically, there is too much opinion, not enough backing up.

[Pedestrian9394]

Okay, from reading all the above stuff, I've decided that I dont like how Green Day tried to express everything in their last record. I mean, they bash religion, workers, war, small towns, leaders, etc in 21stCBD. It's all so jumbled. Where as AI to me was a bit more: thank you people in charge for making the rest of the world think we're stupid, we actually think war is wrong too.

Idk, that wasnt well explained. Basically, there is too much opinion, not enough backing up.

I think they were actually showing sympathy for workers and small towns.

My only criticism for this album is the fact that it was so similar to AI. I know it was supposed to be like a sequel, but I'm not big on that.

But you're right as far as the organization of it. It wasn't as straightforward.

[Doris The Spider]

Because some people's views on religion are definitely hurting people, and affecting the entire country as well. Affecting the entire world, actually. And yes, I care about that.

Why tell the world? Because they think he is, and they want to share that. And I didn't mean the Bush is a good president thing literally, I meant that as in, would you also be all "Nooooo they're not allowed to tell the world!!" if someone shared a positive opinion about someone.

I don't want to sound patronizing, but I think you should stop thinking that by saying for example that Bush is an asshole, that person says that with the goal to make everyone think Bush is an asshole. When I say I like a song, I don't say that because I want everyone in the whole wide world to like that song as well, I say it because I want the world to know I like that song. And it's bullshit that people only listen to celebrities, and if they do they're really stupid.

And if you would go and tell Obama's lies here, people might disagree, yes, but if there wouldn't be discussions about things, the world would get nowhere. I don't know what those lies are, but let's pretend it's all true and something very important (I'm not saying that in a mocking tone...jsyk xD). If no one would speak up about that, Obama might do something utterly awful to the country, because no one has spoken up about it and said what those lies are and why they think Obama is an asshole. See now why it is, in fact, important that people share their opinions? (because lies often are at least partly subjective --> opinions)

The people who are hurting other people with their religions, that's different but most religions IN THE US are not hurting people. And it's usually the extremists that are causing the trouble.

There ARE people out there trying to get the facts out. But they aren't giving opinions.

If people are going to give their opinions they should do something else than what Green Day did.

Oh and Obama is doing awful things to the country. If you'd like me to give you all the facts, I can. Then I can open everyones eyes since that's what you guys think I should do.

[Pedestrian9394]

The people who are hurting other people with their religions, that's different but most religions IN THE US are not hurting people. And it's usually the extremists that are causing the trouble.

There ARE people out there trying to get the facts out. But they aren't giving opinions.

If people are going to give their opinions they should do something else than what Green Day did.

Oh and Obama is doing awful things to the country. If you'd like me to give you all the facts, I can. Then I can open everyones eyes since that's what you guys think I should do.

Obama has been in office for a year and a half. I think, before you freak out over the "horrible things" he's doing to this country, think about the 8 years of shit he has to clean up. You sound like you are really into reading the facts, so you can't possibly object to that, Republican or not.

And I'm also still not understanding what's wrong with Green Day saying what they think. If it bothers you, don't listen to it. If they didn't express their opinions, their music would be shallow. And again, EVERYONE expresses their opinions the same way that Green Day does, except not everyone is making albums. If you have a political conversation with someone, they're going to get heated about things. It's normal and acceptable. Just because they get angry doesn't mean they're ignorant.

Plus, when Green Day calls Bush an asshole, consider the fact that it's supposed to be relatively humorous. =D

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

First of all, sorry if this is a bit messy and might sometimes not completely make sense. It's 3:30am so my head isn't completely clear.

But I'm talking about religion and politics being to different things. So no, religion doesn't affect how the country is run.

Religion and politics are tied together, they just are. A lot of political decisions (I'm talking about the US, but in most countries in the world also to some extent at least) are based on religion. Take the abortion laws and discussions about that for example. Gay marriage. The list goes on.

Okay, from reading all the above stuff, I've decided that I dont like how Green Day tried to express everything in their last record. I mean, they bash religion, workers, war, small towns, leaders, etc in 21stCBD. It's all so jumbled. Where as AI to me was a bit more: thank you people in charge for making the rest of the world think we're stupid, we actually think war is wrong too.

Idk, that wasnt well explained. Basically, there is too much opinion, not enough backing up.

I don't think 21stCB bashes workers or small towns, it sympathises more with them. And it doesn't really bash religion, it bashes the way some people handle it.. 21stCB is more varied in the things Green Day criticize or talk about. American Idiot was in that more about a unified thing.

What do you mean by 'too much opinion, not enough backing up'? That they don't support their opinions well enough in the album, or that there's too much opinion and not enough to string it together to a whole?

The people who are hurting other people with their religions, that's different but most religions IN THE US are not hurting people. And it's usually the extremists that are causing the trouble.

There ARE people out there trying to get the facts out. But they aren't giving opinions.

If people are going to give their opinions they should do something else than what Green Day did.

Oh and Obama is doing awful things to the country. If you'd like me to give you all the facts, I can. Then I can open everyones eyes since that's what you guys think I should do.

Those extremists still are related to religion... and what is your definition of hurting people? Because I'd say that for example that because of religious arguments (and this isn't extremists only!), gay marriage isn't allowed. I can tell you that that definitely hurts people. Same for say, teens who get pregnant and want an abortion, but can't because their (religious) environment would react badly to it. And I'm sure that there are a whole lot of laws who probably hurt people in some way or another that are based on religion.

But anyway, I don't think it requires that something hurts other people in order to allow it to give your opinion about it, or something.

"If people are going to give their opinions they should do something else than what Green Day did." What in the world do you mean by that? I'd like you to explain that a little more, please.

[Moffie]

Whoa....If McCain was President, the Draft would have be restarted. Once a military man, always a military man. But please Doris, please give me these facts that you came up with. Please. I would like to hear them (I'm not being sarcastic. I am 110% serious.)

[justcause]

Okay, from reading all the above stuff, I've decided that I dont like how Green Day tried to express everything in their last record. I mean, they bash religion, workers, war, small towns, leaders, etc in 21stCBD. It's all so jumbled. Where as AI to me was a bit more: thank you people in charge for making the rest of the world think we're stupid, we actually think war is wrong too.

Idk, that wasnt well explained. Basically, there is too much opinion, not enough backing up.

thank you people in charge for making the rest of the world think we're stupid, we actually think war is wrong too. - see, it's really simple when that's what you have to say, when things are as clear-cut as that. When the major 'villains' leave the stage, when the drama mutates into a murky malaise, yeah, you write it, because that's what you do and who you are, and it's not a big, strong statement, but it's still the truth.

21CB is 'jumbled' because it's coming from a place of having no focus for passion, of not knowing 'what's worth fighting for'. AI knew what was worth fighting for, or rather, against, and it also had its emotional core in the story of Jesus of Suburbia. 21CB hits out at any number of targets, more in sorrow than in anger, looking for something to care about - it's a deeply introspective work, and anything outside of that is just sideswipes at minor irritations. 21CB more or less says that people are gonna do what they do, and what are you gonna do about it - it's really none of your business anyway.

None of this is a clarion-call to action like AI was - all of it is important because of the visionary soul it's coming from. 21CB repeatedly reminds me of Yeats' 'The Second Coming' -

Turning and turning in the widening gyre

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

'The best lack all conviction' - and in those circumstances, it would maybe be easier for 'the best' to fake up the conviction, but so much truer, so much braver, is just saying 'I don't know, I feel lost and confused, and here is my truth'.

[Coffee409]

But I'm talking about religion and politics being to different things. So no, religion doesn't affect how the country is run.

Well, then you're denying the very REALITY of what is going on in this country. Because currently, politics and religion seem to be working with/against one another. It would be lovely to act as if they didn't, but that's just not so.....

And even if, in some fantasy world, the two didn't go hand in hand.... Religion, all on it's own, has been responsible for countless wars, bloodshed, and the deaths of innocent civilians all over the world, for as far back as modern history has been documented.

[lizziebix]

When this thread about what are the things we don't like about Green Day become a discussion about politics and religion in the US?

[Doris The Spider]

Obama has been in office for a year and a half. I think, before you freak out over the "horrible things" he's doing to this country, think about the 8 years of shit he has to clean up. You sound like you are really into reading the facts, so you can't possibly object to that, Republican or not.

And I'm also still not understanding what's wrong with Green Day saying what they think. If it bothers you, don't listen to it. If they didn't express their opinions, their music would be shallow. And again, EVERYONE expresses their opinions the same way that Green Day does, except not everyone is making albums. If you have a political conversation with someone, they're going to get heated about things. It's normal and acceptable. Just because they get angry doesn't mean they're ignorant.

Plus, when Green Day calls Bush an asshole, consider the fact that it's supposed to be relatively humorous. =D

I listen to Green Day I like their music. I was asked what I didn't like about them. So, I posted what I didn't like and everyone else ganged up me. But I'm done with this argument.

Whoa....If McCain was President, the Draft would have be restarted. Once a military man, always a military man. But please Doris, please give me these facts that you came up with. Please. I would like to hear them (I'm not being sarcastic. I am 110% serious.)

OK, let me get my shit together and I have them for you as soon as possible.

When this thread about what are the things we don't like about Green Day become a discussion about politics and religion in the US?

I'm asking myself the same question.

[Mar]

Hahaha yeah. I know personally I just like to bitch about everything and over-exaggerate. So I'm not really THAT upset that that setlist was so epic. Really I'm just a little sad that I've never seen Whatsername live. Although if I saw it live, I'd prefer non-acoustic. But anyways, yeah, it is kind of lose-lose.

Totally feel the same way!

Also while im on this topic I know Green Day wants their album to be perfect and all but im not liking the long waits between albums. I really hope that if Green Day decides to make another album we wont have to wait half a decade for. Another thing that really pissed me off and im sure just about everyone on here knows and I know it's not really the bands fault but the 21st Century Breakdown Tour. I was really hoping Green Day would come back to my hometown but they skipped Ohio completely. They didnt come here last summer when they were doing their North American summer tour and they are not coming back this summer. I have waited 5 years to see the band return,make an album and go on tour. It was kind of a slap in the face for me because I was praying(yes I really was) for the band to come back here. I want to know what Ohio did to Green Day?

So much this. Like you, I realize the band doesn't control the tour schedule, so I don't mean to sound like I'm blaming them. But it is something about Green Day as a band that I don't like - that I can't see them. So, I guess it's more of a gripe against Green Day as a BRAND. I honestly cannot figure out why they skipped the state, especially this time around. Blossom could have easily been filled.

As you said, they wait so long between albums. That's why I'm so bummed about not being able to see them, because I doubt they'll tour the US again until after the next album comes out. And at this rate, that's basically 2015.

[Punk-tastic32]

yeah where i live, there are no rock or alternative stations so i never hear them on the radio

Same here

When this thread about what are the things we don't like about Green Day become a discussion about politics and religion in the US?

Thank you!

Not to be rude or anything, guys. But can we please keep this on topic. The long politics/religion posts are a real attention killer in this thread. If you wanna argue/debate/fight/whatever you call it, please take it outside this thread

[Guest]

I agree with the people a few pages back that said they didn't like that the AI musical got more attention from the band and the media than the new album did. I feel the new album should have been the main focus and number one priority and the musical should have been second.

[Eeefaa.]

Okay, I think I know what you're saying. AI is about having something to say and 21stCBD is about looking for something to say. Right?

Ohhh, sorry, I greatly dislike Yeats

[Kayfabe]

But I'm talking about religion and politics being to different things. So no, religion doesn't affect how the country is run.

DON'T WE WISH.

[justcause]

Okay, I think I know what you're saying. AI is about having something to say and 21stCBD is about looking for something to say. Right?

Ohhh, sorry, I greatly dislike Yeats

Basically, yeah.

[Nele]

I think the only reason why you don't like that Green Day share their views on politic is because they called your magnificent Bush an asshole.

I'd be really interested in your so called ~facts about Obama and why he's such a bad president. However, this is not the right thread for politic discussions and I guess some people in here start getting annoyed.

[Psycho Britney]

I haven't read the whole thread through and kinda gather that some people have mentioned politics and such. What I was going to say, is that I can't really think of a thing that really annoys me about GD or that I don't like. However the other day I started singing the 'I ain't a politician, just a bad musician' bit from the 'Mechanical Man' song, and my sister asked me who sang it. When I said GD she laughed and was like 'huh, they definately think of themselves as politicans, they shove their opinions down other people's throats'. I disagreed with her-yes they certainly have their opinions about things, and they might sing about them, but I don't think they preach. They share there views, say what they think-they don't automatically say it's there way or it's the wrong way if that makes sense. Well that's what I feel!

[Doris The Spider]

I think the only reason why you don't like that Green Day share their views on politic is because they called your magnificent Bush an asshole.

I'd be really interested in your so called ~facts about Obama and why he's such a bad president. However, this is not the right thread for politic discussions and I guess some people in here start getting annoyed.

Well, people want to know. So, where should I post it? I mean, I'm not out to start a debate with anyone. You asked for the facts so I'm posting them. THAT'S ALL!

[simizak]

Well for one, I don't particularly like the image they have at the moment. For instance, you say that you like Green Day and people say "they were cool in 2005" or "Green Day is gay" or even "Really? Green Day?"

Yes, they were "cool" in 2005. You have a point. But it doesn't necessarily mean that they're not a good band anymore. As if it's required to be "cool" to be a good band. The fact that many people move on after Green Day being a bit of a fad annoys me. But that has more to do with the fans more than anything. I could say a great deal more about Green Day fans but I won't.

In answer to the "Eyeliner" comment, that did help sort of shape their image. Green Day (during American Idiot) wrote rather depressing/emotional songs that caused a lot of people to say that Green Day was emo. Especially with the dark circles around their eyes and their clothing. I don't particularly hate their look back then, I have to say it was rather snazzy and ~hip but it didn't help make them look a bit prat-like.

In reference to the last comment people make about Green Day, I hate it that they're seen as a bit of an immature, "beginners" band. As if your music tastes sort of evolves after you go through a phase of liking Green Day. I don't really know where this comes from. Well, maybe it's because of their early days when they were little snotty brats. I guess that's how they fashioned their "we r immature bastards deal with it" image. So it's pretty much their own fault. I guess it's not really their fault as they couldn't help being immature bastards, I guess, but still, it's sort of stuck and people can't let it go.

For two, I think that Green Day could have done a much better job at promoting their most recent album. So far (?) the music videos have been shite, to match the singles chosen and barely anyone who you mention Green Day to has even heard of 21st Century Breakdown. Then again, you could say that Green Day aren't really to blame for the bad promotion but they still could have stuck their oar in a bit, right? After all, they did say that this was the album of their lives. Well, you just threw it away. Nice one, Green Day. I'm sure they must have had a say in the choosing of the singles. Am I right? Because if so, they did a really bad job. Granted, they might not want another "we r so popular~" era like in the American Idiot days but still, that's what Warner does best. To me, this whole era has been exceedlingly disappointing. I had high hopes for this album, it could have been brilliant. But it's been shoved to the background and barely spoken of. Fucking shame.

Another thing that annoys me is the lack of variety in their shows. Okay, they play a few different oldies songs but to be quite motherfucking honest, I don't care. During the concert in Ahoy, Rotterdam, I could predict what they were going to do almost down to the word. After Bullet In A Bible, you'd think they'd change their antics. All the shows are, are BIAB + a few songs from the new album. The kids on stage thing is pretty cool, I must admit. But the rest has completely lost its novelty. Granted, it must be hard for them to think up a whole new show and a lot of people are happy with it. And the shows are quite good. But it's all a bit old hat.

There are a few more but this post is big enough as it is.

I think exactly the same. I was going to say something with the same points you made but now is useless because you said it! Except a little bit with the thing of their live shows because I don't care much,

But fuck it, they're awesome!

I don't know what else I can say because what is quoted above says it all.

[Doris The Spider]

First of all, sorry if this is a bit messy and might sometimes not completely make sense. It's 3:30am so my head isn't completely clear.

Religion and politics are tied together, they just are. A lot of political decisions (I'm talking about the US, but in most countries in the world also to some extent at least) are based on religion. Take the abortion laws and discussions about that for example. Gay marriage. The list goes on.

Those extremists still are related to religion... and what is your definition of hurting people? Because I'd say that for example that because of religious arguments (and this isn't extremists only!), gay marriage isn't allowed. I can tell you that that definitely hurts people. Same for say, teens who get pregnant and want an abortion, but can't because their (religious) environment would react badly to it. And I'm sure that there are a whole lot of laws who probably hurt people in some way or another that are based on religion.

But anyway, I don't think it requires that something hurts other people in order to allow it to give your opinion about it, or something.

"If people are going to give their opinions they should do something else than what Green Day did." What in the world do you mean by that? I'd like you to explain that a little more, please.

I just mean, fine, write songs about it. You can say you don't like the war. You can say you don't like a certain President. But you look like a douchbag when you call the President an asshole. I haven't heard any musicians calling Obama an asshole. Maybe because they know it will make them look bad.

And why the fuck is everyone ganging up on me? Can you just let it go? We aren't going to change each other's minds! This wasn't meant to be a political thread but once you attacked me YOU ALL made it one.

[mallorymaloney]

Because some people's views on religion are definitely hurting people, and affecting the entire country as well. Affecting the entire world, actually. And yes, I care about that.

Why tell the world? Because they think he is, and they want to share that. And I didn't mean the Bush is a good president thing literally, I meant that as in, would you also be all "Nooooo they're not allowed to tell the world!!" if someone shared a positive opinion about someone.

I don't want to sound patronizing, but I think you should stop thinking that by saying for example that Bush is an asshole, that person says that with the goal to make everyone think Bush is an asshole. When I say I like a song, I don't say that because I want everyone in the whole wide world to like that song as well, I say it because I want the world to know I like that song. And it's bullshit that people only listen to celebrities, and if they do they're really stupid.

And if you would go and tell Obama's lies here, people might disagree, yes, but if there wouldn't be discussions about things, the world would get nowhere. I don't know what those lies are, but let's pretend it's all true and something very important (I'm not saying that in a mocking tone...jsyk xD). If no one would speak up about that, Obama might do something utterly awful to the country, because no one has spoken up about it and said what those lies are and why they think Obama is an asshole. See now why it is, in fact, important that people share their opinions? (because lies often are at least partly subjective --> opinions)

I agree with you one hundred percent! ((And not just in this thread, pretty much in every thread you've ever posted in, LOL. For some reason you always express the same opinion as the one I've already formed in my head. ))

I have to deal with this sort of thing personally all the time, both online and off, as I'm extremely opinionated ... And according to my 'haters', I'm also extremely influential? They all seem to hold the identical stance that whenever I state a strong opinion, I'm doing it purely to force everyone else to agree with me.

Uh, no. Just like right now, I'm simply stating my opinion because I want to, and because I can't stand keeping shit bottled up if I can help it. If I care enough about something, either positively or negatively, you'd better Goddamn well believe that I'm going to let everyone within twenty miles know about it.

However, this doesn't mean that I expect everyone to agree with me. In fact, just the opposite ... I usually expect to be completely struck down for my opinions. But because I personally find it important that I always speak about things I feel strongly about --- Whether or not anyone's going to agree, or, Hell, even listen --- I consider a bit of a smack down afterwards worth it.

Basically, I'd rather get spat on for saying what I really think, as opposed to keeping my mouth shut purely to be safe from the flying spittle of others.

I just mean, fine, write songs about it. You can say you don't like the war. You can say you don't like a certain President. But you look like a douchbag when you call the President an asshole. I haven't heard any musicians calling Obama an asshole. Maybe because they know it will make them look bad.

And why the fuck is everyone ganging up on me? Can you just let it go? We aren't going to change each other's minds! This wasn't meant to be a political thread but once you attacked me YOU ALL made it one.

I hate to say this, but you kinda did this to yourself, hun. You might've guessed that a Green Day fan forum would be full of Bush bashers and Obama supporters. Obviously you're gonna get shit for what you said!

Which is ironic, since your main point was that people needed to shut their traps and keep their opinions under wraps.

[Doris The Spider]

I hate to say this, but you kinda did this to yourself, hun. You might've guessed that a Green Day fan forum would be full of Bush bashers and Obama supporters. Obviously you're gonna get shit for what you said!

Which is ironic, since your main point was that people needed to shut their traps and keep their opinions under wraps.

Well, my originally post said nothing about Bush or Obama. I never wanted to start a debate. This thread ASKED for my opinion and I told you. It should have ended there. And I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying...