John Roecker's GD Short - They're All Out Without You

[BringMoreKnives]

I read there was a sex scene, so I won't be able to really watch it right now, because the computer is in the family room where everyone can see

I watched like the first 3 minutes though, wasn't that into it.

[foxborohottub]

This is in NO way a Green Day related film. It is a John Roecker film. Other than letting him use GD songs it is in no way sanctioned by the band, it is HIS work of "art"

Thank You

[Hermione]

This is in NO way a Green Day related film. It is a John Roecker film. Other than letting him use GD songs it is in no way sanctioned by the band, it is HIS work of "art"

Thank You

Thanks but none of us were under the impression that it was sanctioned by the band as far as I know. We know it's John's work, it's just "Green Day related" in that it's an interpretation of Green Day's album American Idiot. Just like when someone draws a piece of Green Day artwork or writes an editorial about one of their songs, it's not something that comes from the band but it's still Green Day related.

[Fuzz]

I think the biggest problem with this is that it's just really over-the-top. Art is art, and I'm no prude, but I just don't feel like there's an effective use of the platform here. It's Green Day related because John said it's Green Day related and has a few of their songs and a short clip from HLAHG, but as a piece of film artwork by itself, I don't think it's very strong.

We post related stuff other people do when we think it's worthy of attention. This ... yeah.

[Hermione]

Seriously though you post about random Green Day cover bands in South America and the fact that Lil Wayne mentioned Billie Joe in one of his songs. This is a film interpretation of the characters in American Idiot. Since you post Green Day fans' essays about their songs and unknown youtube users' homemade Green Day music videos on GDA I can't really see why you wouldn't post this.

[Bohemian+Scandal]

Seriously though you post about random Green Day cover bands in South America and the fact that Lil Wayne mentioned Billie Joe in one of his songs. This is a film interpretation of the characters in American Idiot. Since you post Green Day fans' essays about their songs and unknown youtube users' homemade Green Day music videos on GDA I can't really see why you wouldn't post this.

I think they just have an extreme bias against anything that's this terrible. They are only human after all. However, I think it still deserves to be posted. John Roecker was there throughout the creation of the album and intended to include this short in his documentary the band consented to being filmed. I think that's enough to be mentioned in an article for the other examples of pointless crap, Hermione here has pointed out.

Andres, just include a disclaimer that states that you do not suggest the piece holds artistic merit by posting it.

[Fuzz]

Ah, the beauty of being the editor. Yes we can post some pretty inane stuff at times, but there's a lot of stuff out there that we don't post, and at the end of the day, it's my call as to what ends up on the homepage. I don't feel like promoting this particular video and don't feel the need to simply because it has Green Day's name.

[Hermione]

Ah, the beauty of being the editor who decides. Yes we can post some pretty inane stuff at times, but there's a lot of stuff out there that we don't post, and at the end of the day, it's my call as to what ends up on the homepage. I don't feel like promoting this particular video and don't feel the need to simply because it has Green Day's name.

To be clear I'm not criticizing you for posting any of those things, I just think this is just as of interest to Green Day fans and just as worthy of being posted. Of course it's up to you what you post but surely whether you personally like it or not you can see this is different from all the many random Green Day related things that you might or might not choose to post about? It's a decent length film interpretation of a Green Day album made by a director who was there documenting the album being made and who a lot of Green Day fans are familiar with for having worked with the band on several projects. Again it's up to you of course but since you've said you didn't even watch the whole thing I'm not sure why you're so against it. I like seeing different people's Green Day inspired art on GDA even if it's not always to my taste.

[oda]

Lol at Roecker being all pissed because it's not on GDA, and i remeber him posting the link on GDA's facebook and everything. I have a feeling this release was him just trying to be a fame whore.

From facebook:

I love that not one of those "Green Day ' sites will link my Green Day short. What the fuck are they afraid of?

EDIT: Omg he reads this thread.

[Hermione]

I think he wanted his work to be seen (and has taken a risk by putting it out so that we can see it). It's a fair observation on his part since Green Day sites usually post any tiny little thing related to the band.

[oda]

Yeah but GDA was already recently asked to take the "Stay the Night" cover down. Wouldn't it be kind of stupid to put something up again that they could possibly get in trouble for?

[Izzard]

I think he just wanted people to be able to see it and everyone's just being an ass.

[Hermione]

Yeah but GDA was already recently asked to take the "Stay the Night" cover down. Wouldn't it be kind of stupid to put something up again that they could possibly get in trouble for?

If that was the reason for not posting it then I'd agree but that doesn't seem to be the case.

I think he just wanted people to be able to see it and everyone's just being an ass.

Pretty much

[jacknovella]

I don't know why some people seem to not like John or his work, but it just seems a bit petty and superficial to not like it because it doesn't meet your standards. If anything, it's more related to Green Day than a lot of what gets posted on GDA, it was going to be at the end of HLAHG which the band would have been in obviously, and they're even included (albeit, very shortly and obscurely) in this. The band obviously like it because John said himself they were fine with him using their music even without the permission from Warner Bros.

[Liam]

One of the problems I have with it being posted is its quite explicate. There's scenes of a guy dressed as Jesus tied to a crucifix having sex, talking about people being bashed, the guy laying naked in the bathtub bleeding to death completely naked.

I don't think this exactly what GDA wants to be promoting. We have kids as young as probably 10 that visit GDA and if they see it, it could cause a bit of controversy. If it got put up we'd have to put a pretty big warning label on it. Lets also not forget that John himself said himself it will probably get pulled down and if GDA goes ahead and posts it, it could cause some legals issues.

I really don't blame Andres for not wanting to post it.

In saying all that I will admit the film was pretty good and I did enjoy seeing a different version of the story thats a lot darker than the JoS video clip or the musical, kudos to John for having the guts to make and post it

[Fuzz]

I don't know why some people seem to not like John or his work

I have no problems with John or his work. I think he should keep making the stuff that makes him happy, that's what art is, and people will watch it. I don't think we have a responsibility as a Green Day site to post everything out there just because it exists. I hope the video gets a lot of views from people sharing it and spreading the word, and I hope John continues to do what he does. I just don't think it's best on our sites, even more-so because of the surrounding issues with Warner, with whom we try to keep a good relationship with because if anyone had the power to shut us down besides Green Day, it's Warner.

[Izzard]

One of the problems I have with it being posted is its quite explicate. There's scenes of a guy dressed as Jesus tied to a crucifix having sex, talking about people being bashed, the guy laying naked in the bathtub bleeding to death completely naked.

I don't think this exactly what GDA wants to be promoting. We have kids as young as probably 10 that visit GDA and if they see it, it could cause a bit of controversy. If it got put up we'd have to put a pretty big warning label on it. Lets also not forget that John himself said himself it will probably get pulled down and if GDA goes ahead and posts it, it could cause some legals issues.

I really don't blame Andres for not wanting to post it.

In saying all that I will admit the film was pretty good and I did enjoy seeing a different version of the story thats a lot darker than the JoS video clip or the musical, kudos to John for having the guts to make and post it

Good point. There are A LOT of young eyes.

[farley drexel hatcher]

John Roecker I am just reading that the "fans" think it is too dark? Sorry kids that was the real story. Death and love. He kills her so he could have her forever.

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Wait, hold up - so John is saying here that this is what Billie intended when he wrote it? I don't think so. And by saying that it is the 'real story' then that is what it implies.

[sara_gd]

Issues with Warner is the only reason I see for not posting it really, the rest of the reasons don't make any sense to me.

[Izzard]

John Roecker I am just reading that the "fans" think it is too dark? Sorry kids that was the real story. Death and love. He kills her so he could have her forever.

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Wait, hold up - so John is saying here that this is what Billie intended when he wrote it? I don't think so. And by saying that it is the 'real story' then that is what it implies.

I guess no one will really know unless they ask Billie.... can't say it's true, can't say it's not.

[farley drexel hatcher]

I guess no one will really know unless they ask Billie.... can't say it's true, can't say it's not.

Exactly. Which means he has no right to say that's the 'true story' either. His interpretation of it, sure, but nothing more.

[sara_gd]

John Roecker I am just reading that the "fans" think it is too dark? Sorry kids that was the real story. Death and love. He kills her so he could have her forever.

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Wait, hold up - so John is saying here that this is what Billie intended when he wrote it? I don't think so. And by saying that it is the 'real story' then that is what it implies.

Maybe it was at first, when the caracters weren't completely shaped. I don't know, I think that we all have a different version of AI in our minds and they're all valid. Billie didn't say anything about death or murder publicly, so I suppose he thought about that version but not as the "true story" or anything, he leaves the story pretty open to interpretations. I think.

[sara_gd]

I have a question about the end of the film: When she says in the interview at the end "James is fun but he's a little off, there's still a little something about him" and then her dead body appears, does this mean that they won't be "living happily in heaven" or something like this?

[sara_gd]

Alright, I'm a little bit confused. No, I'm actually TERRIBLY confused

So I just watched They're All Out Without You (great short film ).

What about HLAHG?!?!?! You people talk about it a lot but hang on a minute!

Where will we see it? How will we see it? When will we see it?

Nobody has a clue. Nobody has a clue. Nobody has a clue.

John keeps saying it's going to be out soon but nobody knows when or if it's even going to be out I guess it'll be something like this "leak", or he might be able to put it out officialy (or at least a part) on the 10th aniversary of American Idiot. But who knows really.

[Heather.]

I really like seeing Jesus of Suburbia as Jesus. I've always found the name really interesting and, as someone who adores the Broadway production, always thought that the whole "Jesus" aspect of Johnny's character wasn't elaborated on enough. The first time I heard the song JOS, it made me think really hard about what Jesus would represent in that situation, and I always thought it implied that the character is a martyr for some inane suburban cause (could be socially or figuratively or whatever). So I appreciate his inclusion of more religious imagery. However, I don't think this film tries to explain the metaphor, because it's not a guy who thinks of himself as the Jesus of Suburbia, he just thinks of himself as straight up Jesus of Christianity or whatever. It seems less about the personal escapism and freedom that the Broadway play sought and comes across more as psychotic. That's fair too, he probably has gone mad.

That being said, I don't really like the film itself. I'm not sure how effective the use of said imagery was, even though I wanted it to be there. I liked the part where JOS and Whatsername are talking about each other and how they view the relationship, I think it does well in expanding how they saw each other on the album... I never really understood what she would see in him from the music, so some of the value I see in this thing is that it attempts to make more sense of their actual relationship.

I do think it's hilarious that they obviously filmed that Jesus guy at Graumann's Chinese Theater or somewhere on Hollywood Walk of Fame where all these tourists and their little kids are just staring at naked crazy Jesus man.

I also think its really interesting that Favorite Son and Too Much Too Soon are featured prominently here, and that Michael Mayer also thought it important to include these songs, yet they weren't actually on AI. Wonder what the band didn't see in them that these directors did!