John Roecker's GD Short - They're All Out Without You

[eastbayweirdo]

If you're too immature to see a dick for two seconds, get off the internet. Lol

[HeißblütigerPinguin]

I really like the beginning with all the "modified" religious images, but I don't have any religious beliefs so that wouldn't offend me. I haven't seen the whole thing, but I think he could've done something with the audio, it seems a bit amateur-esque, if you know what I mean.

[pretty_and_demented]

Mehh, it was worth the watch on a boring Saturday night by myself.

[Sofouska]

Overall, I thought it was nice, but okay, I wasn't blown away First of all I need to say that this Whatsername was AWESOME. Now what strikes me as weird is JOS, that doesn't really act as JOS but as Jesus himself and the fact that they both die in the end

Where's Jimmy?

And I prefer the version most people have in their minds. You know, the one in which Whatsername leaves JOS and he hits his rock bottom, Jimmy dies in his mind and he sort of becomes better.

This was a very dark piece of art indeed, and worth seeing but I prefer the lighter version of American Idiot, like it's presented in the musical or the way Billie explains it in certain interviews and videos.

Then I really didn't like all the hate GDA/GDC got in John's facebook, because DUH, if Andres posted it in GDA, well maybe he, or me, or many of us don't mind the nudity, or some other things in the film but certain visitors and maybe not only young ones would mind and GDA would get shit for that, so it was immature, all these comments about us being "12 year olds" God.

Last but not least, (and now I'm gonna sound really dumb) WOO HOO ANDRES, he posted this nice comment in the end and made everyone shut up (I was ready to start fighting )

[Harinezumi]

To people who didn't like it or didn't think it was "good enough".. Maybe you should find out more about John's art. This isn't a big budget Hollywood movie or music video. There are enough of those out there already. I don't know what you were expecting, but I sure hope it wasn't a cookie-cutter copy of the JOS music video...

You don't even need to know what this film is "really" about. That's the beauty of art. You can interpret it any way you want.

[skindogfuss]

Just saying I really liked the movie myself. Thought it was very well done and the acting was good. Had a good storyline and I think John's interpretation was sound.

On a note about Warner..... of course, I'm not part of either organisation (GDA/Warner) so I don't know any details that may have been passed between the two, but...

I know that the only reason the Stay The Night cover was taken down was because a Warner employee saw the post on GDA or found the song on Soundcloud. They then contacted Flatline Stereo! and asked for them to take it down as it's a breach of copyright laws (yes, this means that the song has actually been copyrighted by Warner! I wonder what that means, folks!). This is similar to what they do on YouTube videos, yknow, the 'this video has been removed by WMG for copyright reasons.' thing.

Warner obviously don't want to release HLAHG in the near future, and that's fine by me - there's nothing anyone can do about it. However, all John's done in this movie is portray the ideas he came up with revolving around the storyline of American Idiot. He has said it's what the album's real story is, and perhaps he's correct? I mean, other than producers, engineers and Warner executives, no one else really got up close and personal during the recording process. This piece of art isn't breaking any copyright laws as (I'm guessing) he's been given permission by either the band or the label to use the songs.

So, if I look at it, it seems that GDA can't get in trouble with Warner for posting it. I don't understand why Andres doesn't want to post it, but then again I'm not having a go at him for not posting it. It's down to him at the end of the day but I think some other members posted valid points regarding the essays etc that are posted.

Overall, I don't think there's any person in the wrong. Warner have decided to deal with the cover song which is perfectly within their rights, and John's just uploaded a film he wrote. Andres doesn't want to post it up, which I think's a shame, but what can we do? Nada

[gloria123]

i watched it...i kind of liked how the JOS was like jesus. and i understand why it isn't flashed all over (due to nudity) but i think there should be a link on the GD sties and watch it if you want

[IscoredWaddlesgoals]

GDA isn't a democracy and the various people that post the news items are perfectly within their rights to ignore the film if they like. Plus, if you've already heard about it through fb or elsewhere, why would they need to ?

With regards to the copyright, Warner probably spent a lot of money marketing Green Day (and other artist's songs) and will most likely copyright everything so no one else makes any profit from their acts.

[Vrock09]

I just finished watching the short film and in my opinion, I thought it was beautiful....It was raw and crude but yet it had a sort of vulnerability to it.. There were a lot of metaphors and things that reminded me of the album itself, I know it's based off the album, but y'know before there were any other interpretations of it.The best way I can describe it is when I watched it I had the feeling I had when I first listened to American Idiot in my room when I was 14. John amazingly portrayed a feeling of honesty and truth through the characters that took me back to my teenage angst days. I know theres a lot of controversy around about posting it on GDA and such but (even though my opinion really doesn't matter on here lol) I think John made a superb interpretation of the album and it should be posted. I mean at least put it up and allow people to make their own decisions to watch it or not. But I try and stray away from drama and all but it's a real shame it's not going to be posted.

[Sofouska]

I only have one question:

The film was great indeed! But why so much "fighting" over whether it should be posted or not on GD sites?

I mean, what's more important for Roecker, have his film being watched by a pretty good number of people and having the chance to show this,

OR get "fame" somehow, for that? I don't know, I mean why is he that annoyed?! Many fans watched it and likes it and that's what he should care about, not if it's shown in GD sites or not

[Ashley!]

Ehh it was ok. I think I would have liked it a little better if there was a little more detail, and better transitions, versus just flashing from scene to scene (if that makes any sence lol)

[sara_gd]

I only have one question:

The film was great indeed! But why so much "fighting" over whether it should be posted or not on GD sites?

I mean, what's more important for Roecker, have his film being watched by a pretty good number of people and having the chance to show this,

OR get "fame" somehow, for that? I don't know, I mean why is he that annoyed?! Many fans watched it and likes it and that's what he should care about, not if it's shown in GD sites or not

You see, if GD sites post it, people see it, and that's the intention.

[November's Storms]

I only have one question:

The film was great indeed! But why so much "fighting" over whether it should be posted or not on GD sites?

I mean, what's more important for Roecker, have his film being watched by a pretty good number of people and having the chance to show this,

OR get "fame" somehow, for that? I don't know, I mean why is he that annoyed?! Many fans watched it and likes it and that's what he should care about, not if it's shown in GD sites or not

GDA has a fairly large following, but I don't think John would reach super stardom if it was posted on GDA. I would imagine he already has a disdain for Warner anyway, and would see GDA as siding with a major label rather than a friend of the band and independent film maker.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I have not seen this movie yet and I have not read most comments on the contents on the movie either, so please don't say I'm saying this because I don't like the movie because right now my opinion is neutral on it.

but it just seems a bit petty and superficial to not like it because it doesn't meet your standards.

That's kind of the point of liking something, isn't it? If you like something, it meets your standards of the things you like. John's movies/art aren't the softest, lightest and most subtle, if you don't like those types of movies and don't like this one either because of that, I don't think anyone has the right to say it's superficial to not like them because of those reasons.

[darenmay]

i loved the film, it's beautiful. I agree that this should be posted in GDA, as it is an example of a Green Day related art and it is really good (way better than the old fan-made videos featured on the site, i believe). maybe just put a warning about its content.

[Fuzz]

I think people should worry less about us posting it and focus more on the video and trying to share it themselves. GDA isn't the gatekeeper to all Green Day fans. Hell the video isn't even on the official site.

[-Billiejoezee-]

So in short, is it worth watching?

[sara_gd]

So in short, is it worth watching?

I think it is. If you see you don't like it you can always stop watching it, and anyway it's just half an hour of your time.

[The Beatles]

I thought it sucked. Really wasn't impressed at all, Roecker could do better.

It really really sucked.

[anarchistgirlscout]

I liked it, but my favorite artist is Andy Warhol. A lot of Roecker's work reminds me of Warhol's.

[whitechristmas]

I think the reason that GDA isn't posting this is simply because they don't want kids who google Green Day to stumble upon GDA and watch the video. It's not exactly a kids video.

[Emilie]

I tried watching it. Got to the part where she was giggling about her Mum being half-deaf and gave up.

[A Killjoy from Detroit]

I enjoyed parts of it. i watched the whole thing but didn't quite understand. i think the thing that bothers me most is that the characters were called Jesus of Suberbia and Whatsername, but they weren't really like how the characters are portrayed in the album. I think Mr. Roecker had a much different interpretation then the people i have talked to had about the characters but i mostly just thought the actors didn't quite fit the roles.

Haha! i laughed super hard when she they buzzed her into the building when she said "I need Green Day" as if they would just direct anyone straight to the band just for asking

[norcalgreendayfan]

Haha! i laughed super hard when she they buzzed her into the building when she said "I need Green Day" as if they would just direct anyone straight to the band just for asking

I know right that part was too funny, if only it were that easy to go and see Green Day

[desertrose]

:36 second audio clip ripped from the John Roecker screening of HLAHG. This song was never released.

http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/45722636#!/greendayfan518/videos/video/54749747