belinda jane Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Green Day had their spotlight during the AI era. No one gives two flying fucks about them now. It's all about Lady GaGa & Kings of Leon. Seriously.This.Too true.
Kate Austen Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 It started with Dookie actually.They had their silver run with AI. I figure it'll be another 10 years before they have the bronze run.I know they technically blew up with Dookie. But IMO American Idiot took them to an even higher level of fame. During those tours, they were world wide rock stars, selling out stadiums. They really captured the minds of so many. It was a special moment, and even the band recognized this.I just don't feel they are getting that same moment with 21st Century. As others have pointed out, I think...a lot of people have moved on. It's pretty depressing in some ways. But I suppose that is just the way shit happens.
punkrockerlori Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 I called and requested it on our popular radio station here in Vancouver (The Beat 94.5) the dj was like oh we only play top 40 songs. I'm like it's on Muchmusic countdown, they play it on Muchmoremusic all the time, and it's a fantastic song why the hell won't you play it. She's like well....it's not popular here good bye and she hangs up on mei was stunned...
Kate Austen Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 To take it further...While 21st Century it's just as good of an album technically and musically, I don't think it's the kind of album that's going to be an extension of our lives the way AI was. AI captured a moment in time. It spoke to everyone cynicism's of their government and society. A lot people, grew up with AI. There was a newer generation of fans that literally this was the soundtrack to their highschool lives. I remember Billie even mentioning at certain shows that they knew this was a time they would never forget. They were on top of the world again.I'm not trying be dramatic and say NO one cares about them. Yes, they still have a big fan base, and yes they are still selling. But it's just not the same as AI era. And sadly, I do think some people have moved on. As someone who thinks AI is a once in a life time album, it's kind of saddening to think that the era is over. That, THAT moment in time is gone and past. But hey, I will always hold on to those memories, and god bless the band for providing them.
**kookai** Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 no. 17 on the ARIA chart, last I checkedARIA = Australian Recording Industry Association
Tiffx Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 To take it further...While 21st Century it's just as good of an album technically and musically, I don't think it's the kind of album that's going to be an extension of our lives the way AI was. AI captured a moment in time. It spoke to everyone cynicism's of their government and society. A lot people, grew up with AI. There was a newer generation of fans that literally this was the soundtrack to their highschool lives. I remember Billie even mentioning at certain shows that they knew this was a time they would never forget. They were on top of the world again.I'm not trying be dramatic and say NO one cares about them. Yes, they still have a big fan base, and yes they are still selling. But it's just not the same as AI era. And sadly, I do think some people have moved on. As someone who thinks AI is a once in a life time album, it's kind of saddening to think that the era is over. That, THAT moment in time is gone and past. But hey, I will always hold on to those memories, and god bless the band for providing them.That's exactly how I feel. It's sad to think that that moment has gone. But it has given me many great memories. AI is what got me into Green Day and I will never forget that era.
dallasthemenace Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 who cares, if you like the band, go to the concert and fuck all. Really, that's what people did from 1995 to 2002a-fucking-men.
IWantYourBabies Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 I never hear it on the radio or see it on television but it's number 5 on the NZ Official Top 40. That's the best place I've ever seen a Green Day song.Holiday played all the time way back when, even got number one song of 2005 on the two major popular music radio stations, but I don't think it ever made it past 25 on the official charts.
Bastard of 1967 Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 To take it further...While 21st Century it's just as good of an album technically and musically, I don't think it's the kind of album that's going to be an extension of our lives the way AI was. AI captured a moment in time. It spoke to everyone cynicism's of their government and society. A lot people, grew up with AI. There was a newer generation of fans that literally this was the soundtrack to their highschool lives. I remember Billie even mentioning at certain shows that they knew this was a time they would never forget. They were on top of the world again.I'm not trying be dramatic and say NO one cares about them. Yes, they still have a big fan base, and yes they are still selling. But it's just not the same as AI era. And sadly, I do think some people have moved on. As someone who thinks AI is a once in a life time album, it's kind of saddening to think that the era is over. That, THAT moment in time is gone and past. But hey, I will always hold on to those memories, and god bless the band for providing them.I'm inclined to agree with you in terms of mass-appeal. Over time, 21CB is going to do well sales-wise but not as well as AI and possibly not even close, I think precisely for the reasons you mentioned.I also think part of that has to do with 21CB being less "tight" of a concept album than AI was, with a more difficult storyline to follow and much, much deeper lyrics on so many levels. It takes a lot of effort to work through the songs, get the gist of them, see how they relate and speak to each other. To the die-hard GD fan (at least the ones who don't want to see them chained down to the Dookie days forever), it's great stuff that's on par with AI, even surpassing it in some ways technically and lyrically. But most people who Taylor Swift, the Black-Eyed Peas, Katy Perry, and the (ick) JoBros tend to appeal to just aren't going to make the effort to figure it out.But what's most important in the near future: These guys can still rock the shit outta the house!
Green Day Nerd Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Like everyone has been saying 21 guns has been doing alright.but for a band like green day, i know from my point of view it doesnt seem good enough. not that it really matter cuz i still love the song.But obviously, like someone said earlier, American Idiot basically represented that whole moment in time, and was something everyone could relate too, which is really important for music, and all the songs were just damn good. So idk, theres really no point in comparing the two albums, they're both good, and it doesn't matter how well 21 guns or any of the other songs off the album do on the charts.If you like it, thats all that matters imo.
Mar Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 To take it further...While 21st Century it's just as good of an album technically and musically, I don't think it's the kind of album that's going to be an extension of our lives the way AI was. AI captured a moment in time. It spoke to everyone cynicism's of their government and society. A lot people, grew up with AI. There was a newer generation of fans that literally this was the soundtrack to their high school lives. I remember Billie even mentioning at certain shows that they knew this was a time they would never forget. They were on top of the world again.I'm not trying be dramatic and say NO one cares about them. Yes, they still have a big fan base, and yes they are still selling. But it's just not the same as AI era. And sadly, I do think some people have moved on. As someone who thinks AI is a once in a life time album, it's kind of saddening to think that the era is over. That, THAT moment in time is gone and past. But hey, I will always hold on to those memories, and god bless the band for providing them.You hit the nail on the head, I think. I was one of those people in the "newer generation", and at first I wasn't too excited about 21CB (especially not excited about Know Your Enemy), but after a few listens, I love it, and seeing them live has made me a fan for life. It's taking a little longer for people to connect with the CD, I think.And I really think that the album not having the supposed "anti-Bush" ideals surrounding it (although I don't think the album was so, it came out at a time in which people, like me, who did not support Bush in 2004 could latch onto it)...it's a weird climate today, where those of us who may share the band's politics don't know how to feel. Does that make sense? The world climate as a whole has changed, and that can affect reaction to a CD such as 21CB.Is this "lesser" success (I use that term loosely because, as you said Kate, they are still selling pretty well all things considered) good or bad? I don't think it's bad. I'm a big Jason Mraz fan, and honestly? I don't mean to sound like an elitist, but I hate that he's getting big now. Ticket prices are through the roof, the venues aren't as intimate, and so many "fans" only like "I'm Yours", and it's a little frustrating. I'm happy he's selling and people are liking something he's done, but it has some downsides as well. ANYWAY, I kind of like that this may show that there are still very dedicated fans of the band. I bought my concert ticket last minute...I doubt I would've been able to do so during the American Idiot tour!If 21 Guns doesn't get much airplay, it doesn't mean that the band has no fans, it just means that those fans are smart enough not to listen to radio.
farley drexel hatcher Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Well no one knows it's even a single here, you can't buy it in the shops or anything, no promotion. That said I don't think it should have been a single, and whatever song they put out now from the album won't generate much interest as it'll be the third single. The album was number one, within two days, and that is pretty amazing, and given the state of singles these days it honestly says more about that than the actual song. I've seen many good songs fail to chart properly due to lack of promotion/no CD single. If EJN becomes a single I hope they really try and get some decent promotion of it. Really put the song out there and make it known, because it'd be a shame for that song to sink without trace like these first two singles did. If they time it right they could release it around the time they're touring here and that'll help generate some interest.
mechanicalman Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Maybe they'd have more success in the charts if they released one of the good songs from the album for a change.
persons Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Maybe they'd have more success in the charts if they released one of the good songs from the album for a change.yeah, they should release something good like horseshoes and handgrenades, east jesus nowhere or something like that.
Nova-Caine Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Entering the UK charts at number 40 is really upsetting, 21 Guns isn't one of my fave songs on the album but I don't think the video did it any justice at all, its boring and makes no sense.I would love to see The Static Age or HSAHG or even 21st Century Breakdown released.I think that Warner or whoever is in charge of their marketing and promotion really needs to sort themselves out, because in the UK there has been fuck all promotion for any of the singles, not much for the album either apart from a few posters in HMV window etc, I haven't seen any of the stencil work around the UK, only Ireland it would seem.I only know when something is coming out because I am on here, or check Itunes. Yes I get the GD.com emails but only because I signed up for them. Where are the street teams over here? Why isn't there some sort of promotion campaign going on in the UK?When 21 Guns was released it wasn't even advertised on Itunes on the day of release as a new single, you had no idea it was available to buy. You could pre-order it the week before but then it disappeared off the home page and that was it gone.Seriously this album is going to suffer unless something is done about the marketing and promotion of the singles. I feel bad for the band, I hate that GD are getting a shit ride with regards to all of this in the UK. Thank god the fan base is still big enough and the tour here is completely sold out *this is really a bug of mine right now* I keep harping on about it but I am really at a loss as to what is going on. :/
Harriet Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 21 Guns is #40 over here because its getting fuck all airplay and no one knows about it. Add on to the fact that they chose KYE as the first single (bad choice imo) and people don't care anymore. I don't think 21CB got to number 1 because of KYE, it was because people wanted the follow up to American Idiot. I don't really care about the chart positions because its still an epic album but the guys deserve better than this and Warner let them down big time with the promotion over here. The sad fact is people don't care about real music with real lyrics anymore. It really is just about Lady Gaga and Black Eyed Peas and all the other shallow meaningless music out there.
Mar Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 I don't think 21CB got to number 1 because of KYE, it was because people wanted the follow up to American Idiot.I would not argue against this. I figured KYE was a bit of a fluke song (in terms of "I don't like this song when I like most GD songs"), and that I'd enjoy the rest of the album, and that was what happened. So, I think a lot of people who didn't buy the album have a predetermined bias against anything from 21CB because they heard KYE, didn't like it, and assumed they wouldn't like the rest of the album either.
Harriet Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 ^^Kudos x a gazillion for you Harriet xWha? I tried to sound intelligent but to me it just sounded like i regurgitated what everyone else said... I will be requesting 21 Guns on Radio 1 tomorrow!
Katarina. Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 21 Guns is #40 over here because its getting fuck all airplay and no one knows about it. Add on to the fact that they chose KYE as the first single (bad choice imo) and people don't care anymore. I don't think 21CB got to number 1 because of KYE, it was because people wanted the follow up to American Idiot. I don't really care about the chart positions because its still an epic album but the guys deserve better than this and Warner let them down big time with the promotion over here. The sad fact is people don't care about real music with real lyrics anymore. It really is just about Lady Gaga and Black Eyed Peas and all the other shallow meaningless music out there.There's nothing I can do but TOTALLY agree with this!Btw, I don't know how 21 Guns is doing over here.. I might go and check later.
Tiffx Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 I would love to see The Static Age or HSAHG or even 21st Century Breakdown released.These songs should've definitely been singles. And East Jesus Nowhere of course.
iLozza! Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 I hear it on the t.v every now and then, but other than that..I don't think it's been very successful at all. KYE did better, I think that was about no.2 at one point, but no. 40 is terrible. Which is a shame, because it's a good song.It's about fuckin' time GD were played all over the place, mind you.
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