21CB Song Similarities

[Foxboro Hot Tubs]

I think the beginning of "Before the Lobotomy" sounds a bit like the beginning of "Behind Blue Eyes" by The Who

[communitykid]

The part of American Eulogy where the acoustic part picks up sounds a bit like the verses of "City of The Damned" from Jesus of Suburbia.

Also, the verses of Modern Age, with Mike singing, sound a tiny bit like Minority to me...

I think the "Vigilantes warning you. Calling Christian and Gloria" of Mass Hysteria sounds like the "You're not the Jesus of Suburbia" part of Letterbomb...

[louizex]

the intro of last of the american girls really reminds me of whatsername

[RebelofSuburbia]

-Sounds almost exactly like "Main Offender" by The Hives. (RebelOfSuburbia)

that's not what I said at all! similar is something else as sounding exactly the same. That would mean they ripped off the Hives and they didn't.

[Lauren]

that's not what I said at all! similar is something else as sounding exactly the same. That would mean they ripped off the Hives and they didn't.

yes, but i listened to it and it sounds almost exactly the same.

look at the terms for the other songs.

"exactly" means... well pretty much exactly. maybe a few notes off but other than that, exactly.

"almost exactly" means that it has a really close chord progression, rhythm, and/or melody. maybe not note for note, but in the same note ranges.

"similar" just means it reminds you of it, except maybe a little heavier impact.

"reminds" is just if it reminds you of something... it's usually just a small phrase.

[Hermione]

Breaking music down like this can sometimes take the fun out of it, for me at least. All songs will have similarities to other songs, especially if it's the same artist, that's just how music is. I'd rather look at all the merits of a song and enjoy it as a whole.

I don't know, looking for similarites for a laugh can be fun I suppose, but focusing on it or using it to judge the music can over-simplify and spoil it in my eyes. But by all means go ahead if you enjoy it

[Lauren]

It's just I've heard some songs every now and then by a few artists that sound similar, but never THIS many in one single album.

[Hermione]

^It's funny, I think I actually notice more similarities to other songs on Warning than 21st CB. Well to non-Green Day songs anyway, like Waiting and Downtown, or Church On Sunday and Oliver's Army. Not that it's a bad thing

[Lauren]

But Green Day purposely made Waiting like Downtown...

[Hermione]

Oh yeah I know they're aware of it, I love the little shout-out Downtown gets in the first verse of Waiting too , like they're tipping their hat to it. But I'd imagine they're aware of some similarities on 21st CB too, I mean they know what they like and they know who their influences are. I think they'd be comfortable in the knowledge that some of their songs sound like other songs.

[Nzap]

I would say that in the verses of Before the Lobotomy, the guitar riffs between the lines (e.g. Christian's lesson's what he's been sold/(here!!!!) we are normal and self-controlled) sounds a bit like a guitar riff of a Rush song, can't remember which, and Modern Age in American Eulogy reminds me, at least the beginning, of Minority.

[iHasan]

Before The Lobotomy

-The beginning sounds a bit like the beginning of "Behind Blue Eyes" by The Who. (Foxboro Hot Tubs)

It's "Behind Blue Eyes" by Limp Bizkit not "THE WHO".

I thought that too that BTL sounded like BBE

and yeah,21 Guns has exactly the same song structure as BOBD.Drums are same too.

¿Viva La Gloria? (Little Girl) do remind of some song but don't remember it's name

Peacemaker sounds like they've been listening to Pakistani/Indian music alot,lol

P.S I believe there's a similar thread,I posted in that too.

[Foxboro Hot Tubs]

It's "Behind Blue Eyes" by Limp Bizkit not "THE WHO".

I thought that too that BTL sounded like BBE

no sorry, that's wrong.

Behind Blue Eyes was written by THE WHO - to be exact by Pete Townshend. It was first released on "Who's next", I think that's the fifth album of the who. It was released 1971. the members of Limp Bizkit weren't even born that time. I mean I don't know when they were born .. but fuck it

it's a The Who song

Limp Bizkit just covered it!

[iHasan]

no sorry, that's wrong.

Behind Blue Eyes was written by THE WHO - to be exact by Pete Townshend. It was first released on "Who's next", I think that's the fifth album of the who. It was released 1971. the members of Limp Bizkit weren't even born that time. I mean I don't know when they were born .. but fuck it

it's a The Who song

Limp Bizkit just covered it!

Oh!,okay

[theregretsareuseless]

I dont think it's fair for people to criticize others for saying negative things about the album. The analysis may have been a bit over the edge (half of the references didn't even cross my mind!), but personally i found the album to have a lot of dissapointing replicates.

I'm actually relieved there are fans out there that aren't going absolutely gaga over the album.

[trejack101]

The lyric in Horseshoes and Handgrenades when Billie spells out G-L-O-R-I-A is from Patti Smiths song named (oddly enough) Gloria. Youtube it. It's a great song. I believe Green Day are just paying homage to Patti Smith who is commonly referred to as 'The Godmother of Punk'

[Foxboro Hot Tubs]

The lyric in Horseshoes and Handgrenades when Billie spells out G-L-O-R-I-A is from Patti Smiths song named (oddly enough) Gloria. Youtube it. It's a great song. I believe Green Day are just paying homage to Patti Smith who is commonly referred to as 'The Godmother of Punk'

yeah maybe it's something like a homage, who knows

anyway, Patti Smith is awesome. and the song is awesome too =)

[Lauren]

no sorry, that's wrong.

Behind Blue Eyes was written by THE WHO - to be exact by Pete Townshend. It was first released on "Who's next", I think that's the fifth album of the who. It was released 1971. the members of Limp Bizkit weren't even born that time. I mean I don't know when they were born .. but fuck it

it's a The Who song

Limp Bizkit just covered it!

okay, good. I thought so. I felt like i was going crazy. haha.

I dont think it's fair for people to criticize others for saying negative things about the album. The analysis may have been a bit over the edge (half of the references didn't even cross my mind!), but personally i found the album to have a lot of dissapointing replicates.

I'm actually relieved there are fans out there that aren't going absolutely gaga over the album.

oh, don't get me wrong. i am absolutely gaga.

but there's little things like this that fascinate me.

The lyric in Horseshoes and Handgrenades when Billie spells out G-L-O-R-I-A is from Patti Smiths song named (oddly enough) Gloria. Youtube it. It's a great song. I believe Green Day are just paying homage to Patti Smith who is commonly referred to as 'The Godmother of Punk'

awesome!

[Hermione]

I dont think it's fair for people to criticize others for saying negative things about the album. The analysis may have been a bit over the edge (half of the references didn't even cross my mind!), but personally i found the album to have a lot of dissapointing replicates.

I'm actually relieved there are fans out there that aren't going absolutely gaga over the album.

It's not about whether it's a negative or positive opinion though, it's the basis of that opinion. The fact that a song sounds like an existing song has nothing to do with whether it's enjoyable. Why not analyze the album by simply listening to it and judging it on it's own merit? These little details might be an interesting side note, but judging an album by them would be a pretty dull and simplistic way to approach music!

The majority of positive reviews have looked at the album as a whole, while the majority of negative reviews have focused on unimportant details like who it's 'ripping off' and haven't made any attempt to look at it in depth. That's the only complaint I think most people here have about the negative reviews.

But I can see this thread is just for pointing out interesting similarities, which is quite fun

[Insomniac186]

I think this an interesting discussion. I notice all these when I listen to the album.

21st Century Breakdown - Sounds a slowed-down version of Cheap Trick's "Dream Police" and has the same chord progression

¡Viva La Gloria! - Sounds like "Letterbomb"

Before The Lobotomy - Has similar vocal melody to Red Jumpsuit Apparatus's "Your Guardian Angel"

East Jesus Nowhere - Sounds like "Holiday"

Peacemaker - Sounds like a sped-up version of "Misery"

Last Of The American Girls - Reminds me of The Cars' "Let The Good Times Roll"

Murder City - Sounds like "Too Much Too Soon"

¿Viva La Gloria? (Little Girl) - Sounds like The Door's "Alabama Song (Whiskey Bar)" and the bridge from "Blood, Sex, and Booze"

[wwnflat_punk]

1) 21st Century Breakdown- Chord changes and melody remind me of Jesus of Suburbia

2) Viva la Gloria- reminds me of Letterbomb

3) East Jesus Nowhere- reminds me of Holiday, with a similar melody and chord changes

4) Viva la Gloria?- reminds me of Misery

5) Restless Heart Syndrome- Boulevard of Broken Dreams, with the guitar solo

6) 21 Guns- kind of reminded me of Weezer's Beverly Hills, but now it doesn't. Now its completely Green Day

[Viva La Junkpile]

Could people stop bitching? If my song writing & history class has taught me something is that ALL MODERN MUSIC HAS BEEN WRITTEN BEFORE. There's nothing TRULY new. It's impossible in all forms of art, etc... all we do is take bits and pieces of other people's work, and slap it into our own. That's a fact. So just sit back and enjoy Green Day's version.

[Insomniac186]

I'm not bitching by any means, it's just that Green Day's influences and "self-plagiarism" are WAY more obvious on 21CBD than any other album they've put out. A lot of bands do that these days, so I'm kinda disappointed that they started doing it. I think it reveals that Billie Joe was nervous and insecure about following up AI so that's why we have a few songs that sound just like songs from AI. But what I don't get is all the rehashes from Warning. Were they just taking parts of Warning and trying to make them better? Who knows...

[Hermione]

^I don't really see much difference between now and before, all their albums have songs with elements of other (Green Day and non-Green Day) songs in them.

When I Come Around sounds a bit like Let's Hear It For The Boy, Hitchin A Ride sounds like a Stray Cats song, Waiting sounds like Downtown, etc, etc, etc. Take Back, from Nimrod, sounds like an Insomniac song. Many of their older songs have similar or nearly identical chords. The list is endless , but it didn't matter then and it doesn't matter now. It's natural for bands to have similar elements popping up in different songs, it's what gives their music it's character.

[Lauren]

everyone and their mother is putting VLG! sounds like Letterbomb, so I guess I'll put it up. I still don't hear it, though.

6) 21 Guns- kind of reminded me of Weezer's Beverly Hills, but now it doesn't. Now its completely Green Day

OMG!!! no!! i feel the same way! idk HOW! it's just like right before the chorus... i always feel like it's gonna be beverly hills for like 2 seconds, but then it goes right back to green day

Could people stop bitching? If my song writing & history class has taught me something is that ALL MODERN MUSIC HAS BEEN WRITTEN BEFORE. There's nothing TRULY new. It's impossible in all forms of art, etc... all we do is take bits and pieces of other people's work, and slap it into our own. That's a fact. So just sit back and enjoy Green Day's version.

i'm not really complaining... well i mean maybe just a little, but it's still the best album.

i just want to do this for fun. i like things like this.