Not so good review, by NME

[just.a.myth.]

"And then when ‘Warning’ rolled around it all seemed to go... wrong. ...even the most ardent fan couldn’t find much to love on the album."

That's my favorite album!! *mumble* *mumble* o_o

[Marc C.]

That's my favorite album!! *mumble* *mumble* o_o

Mine too, I always liked Green Day before I heard Warning, but it solidified (I hope I didn't murder that word) my love for them

[The Disappearing Boy]

Good to see that you agree or, at the very least, respect my passion for it.

God forbid that someone actually has the nuts to talk shit about anyone else. If I was a famous musician I would run my mouth like the world was my psychologist. If I make some enemies, whatever. Honesty is more important than any of that shit, and you should know that honesty is one of the most important parts of rock and roll.

yes, but there is a right time to express opinions and there is a wrong time. writing a review like this is the wrong time.

[Peel Slowly And See]

Yeah, hooda thunk that opinions would be expressed in a critical analysis?

[Marc C.]

Objective reviews are fine, but nowadays it's just cool to hate things because they're popular. I don't really think he gave one reason why he hated the album, he probably knew he was gonna hate it before he even heard a note.

[chickin'pickin']

Objective reviews are fine, but nowadays it's just cool to hate things because they're popular.

Ahhh, that old chestnut.

Guys, just accept that not everybody is going to like what they've put out. Even if it is NME.

[Haushinkaholic]

As I've just said in another post, Music Journalism especially reviews are ultimately worthless,

You can't put a definite value on any artform, as it's so subjective, one man's meat and all that.

In my personal opinion, Nimrod is the best collection of songs ever recorded ever, and that was an album that didn't exactly get praised to the heavens.

Ignore it all, listen to the album and make up your own mind. If it moves you, who friggin cares eh?

I will add however, that in their particular attitude towards music journalism, the NME have been one of the most nefarious offenders in the world of nepotism and bandwagon jumping for years.

in the words of one of the greatest songwriters of recent years mr Jamie Lenman of now defunct british band Reuben

"All this 80's indie, it sounds like shit to me, coz I don't like Joy Division I don't like Morrissey, or their new impersonators, the kings of MTV suckling at the teat of the fucking NME"

Nuff said,

Check Reuben out, I see real parallells in Jamie's lyrics and Billie's pre American Idiot.

The only pseudo Critique I have of Green Day these days is that I preferred Billie's lyrics when he was shooting straight down the middle of the road, with less ambiguity and more frankness, (just read the lyrics to Haushinka) than these days. I still love his lyrics, and perhaps preferred is too strong a word. But he's definitely expanding into more use of metaphor, simile and imagery these days rather than just telling it exactly as it is.

But that's a by-product of his maturing i think, those kind of lyrics were suited to what he wanted to sing about at 25, but not at 37?

Meh,

bugger the NME

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I can only laugh at this. It doesn't piss me off in the slightest (suprisingly)

Thanks NME, for that little bit of amusement

[The Disappearing Boy]

cockbrains.

immense.

[Peel Slowly And See]

People complained that Exile On Main St. was ragged and scattershot, people complained that London Calling was produced too slickly, and people complained that Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs was noisy and boring.

Let history work it out.

words

Read a few too many reviews you disagreed with, didn't you?

[Hermione]

Ahhh, that old chestnut.

Guys, just accept that not everybody is going to like what they've put out. Even if it is NME.

I only have a problem with their inaccuracies (well not a problem, I'm amused by it ). They can go ahead and dislike the music but there's a difference between that and writing things about the band that simply aren't true. There's bad reviews and there's badly written reviews, this is the second option.

[The Punk]

I agree with the review. I find the music quite boring and they seem to have devolved as musicians, to more simplicity and preachy lyrics.

I love old Green Day but the new album is terrible. But it will sell in abundance still just because its Green Day.

Don't agree

[Haushinkaholic]

People complained that Exile On Main St. was ragged and scattershot, people complained that London Calling was produced too slickly, and people complained that Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs was noisy and boring.

Let history work it out.

Read a few too many reviews you disagreed with, didn't you?

Not really, I stopped even reading reviews after years of having friends bash me for loving Green Day made me realise that when it comes to any artform, it's personal preference that matters and not what anyone else thinks.

I personally feel most journalism is ultimately worth very little in value in terms of forming your own opinions, as it invariably is already loaded with the particular journalists opinions, if you agree with them initially it's only because you have the same opinion as him, and doesn't in any way necessarily mean that it's right and gospel.

The only kind of blanket journalism that I really accept as anywhere near truthful is Sports Journalism, because you can't lie about a 1-0 score.

I got sick of music magazines with their flavour of the month and poster boy pin up front covers. When I thought more deserving bands were being left in the cold because of their unfashionable status or unphotogenic faces.

But to be honest, music magazines are designed to sell to a target audience and I don't hold it against them for attempting to keep up in a competitive industry.

[Peel Slowly And See]

There's your problem. You misinterpret the purpose of journalism.

[Haushinkaholic]

There's your problem. You misinterpret the purpose of journalism.

How so exactly?

I don't see that I have a "problem" by the way, if you want to elaborate I'd be grateful.

[Peel Slowly And See]

The purpose of writing about something is to make people aware that it exists. If you're looking for music, you'll look at high grades because it's hard to sift through all of the madness that is today's music. The purpose of a reviewer is to raise awareness and, in some cases, appreciation of a band, album, or song.

[gdpunk2]

They arent speaking for us, they are speaking the truth because its on their minds and feel it needs to be said. Freedom of speech right? Everybody has a right to their own opinion.

Yeah fair enough NME dont like the album, but geez, its not like Green Day are forcing us to buy the album

[Haushinkaholic]

The purpose of writing about something is to make people aware that it exists. If you're looking for music, you'll look at high grades because it's hard to sift through all of the madness that is today's music. The purpose of a reviewer is to raise awareness and, in some cases, appreciation of a band, album, or song.

Very true, in as far as music and other art forms are concerned, and at no point did I claim that it was anyway otherwise.

I tend to avoid sifting through today's music by relying on recommendations of friends and whatnot. I listen to very little music radio, or television channels and therefore get exposed to very small amounts of new music. It's not something i'm particularly proud of, but I'm also not ashamed of it in anyway, it's just how I roll.

However, you can't say that all Journalism operates under the same premise, there's a lot reactionary opinion from both right and left wings floating around in the media these days, and an awful lot of newspapers and television channels are preaching there opinions as the "right" ones.

I'm not saying that journalism in this sense is purposefully attempting to brainwash people in an extreme sense. But, there is a lot of "This is the truth because I think it is and if you disagree you are not only wrong but also morally vapid" which is targeted at people with similar views in order to sell those papers.

I'm not going to read the Daily Mail in order to find out what's going on in the world for example, as all I'll get is a biased and totally corrupted view suggesting that immigrants are murdering babies and hitler had the right idea.

Also, I'd just like to say that essentially, my post was in agreeance with your post regarding London Calling et al and the opinions formed at the time of their release. x

[Alex.]

haha, that guy contradicted himself a few times there.

[chickin'pickin']

I only have a problem with their inaccuracies (well not a problem, I'm amused by it ). They can go ahead and dislike the music but there's a difference between that and writing things about the band that simply aren't true. There's bad reviews and there's badly written reviews, this is the second option.

Rubbish. We all know that some of you GD fans can't accept a negative review of Green Day's music, regardless of who writes it or how well it's written.

[gdpunk2]

And if this becomes as successful as American Idiot, millions of fans cant be wrong

[Hermione]

Rubbish. We all know that some of you GD fans can't accept a negative review of Green Day's music, regardless of who writes it or how well it's written.

But we can't test that theory in this case as it's poorly written guff :P

[.Holly]

NME splashed Green Day on the front page of their magazine a couple of weeks ago.

I don't entirely disagree with everything said in the sputnik review. I laughed at the comments afterwards. One dude said he'd "never listened to a Green Day album all the way through" why the fuck bother commenting on a review about a Green Day album then

[Renjini]

Really, people? No one has made the "Know your NME" joke? I'm disappointed.

thats funny

[Sharmellow]

Everyone has their own opinions, he obvious hates the album along with sputnik.

However, they didn't need to trash their songs like that. The album can't be that bad.

One dude said he'd "never listened to a Green Day album all the way through" why the fuck bother commenting on a review about a Green Day album then

I know, I noticed that as well.