Green MAN Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 i didnt get past the ifrst sentance...to long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess~of~Suburbia Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 "are Green Day punk?" how could ask suck a question???....and yeah i agree they kick ass, and you can't label them into any genre....they're just to extraordinary, and are just...god i can go on for days they're awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkprincess1570 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I don't find the words to describe how amazing written is!!!Congrats!!! The best thing I've read!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acadia Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 woah...that was amazing. usually i would skip over something that long but this time i actually wanted to read it. Great Job! i couldn't tear my eyes away! supremely well written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD fans kick much more ass Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 that is what I've been trying to explain to people day in and day out. Green Day is punk!!! I agree with every word 1000%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000 light years away Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 yes, i totally agree. nice one \m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest punk_rocker27 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 i agree also!! They are an awesome band and can be whatever they want to be which is punk-rock! Rock On \m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longview timer Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 i didnt get past the ifrst sentance...to long Stop and read the second sentence it will lure you into reading the whole thing, and then some! Once again miss Angeline, AMEN! I love you, your words are permanently hung on my wall and my heart, and will stay with me forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathOrGlory Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 hmm most punk bands i'm familiar with don't have radio hits being hummed along to by 50-year-old soccer moms, charge fans for media content, kiss mtv's ass, or excite a frenzy of pre-teens when a hair color changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
**nobodylikesyou** Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 hmm most punk bands i'm familiar with don't have radio hits being hummed along to by 50-year-old soccer moms, charge fans for media content, kiss mtv's ass, or excite a frenzy of pre-teens when a hair color changesThats because most punk bands you listen to havent been around for 17 years, so it would be impossible to have 50 yr olds familiar with them. Also your bands have never been the biggest band in the world not once but twice in their long career ....therefore the record company's couldn't to to them what they do to every band that is on top of the world-make as much money as possible however they can.Great article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillie Boe. Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 i got sick of posting in this thread before, because there is no freedom of speech, if you say green day aren't punk. Everyone goes on at you and you're the bad guy. So i'm just gonna keep my peace until the next album comes out and i think everyone else like me should do the same. becuase to be honest no ones is getting anywhere with each other in this thread, are their really? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet_bja Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 as green day guyz would say: "f*ck it" who cares if they are punk or not. their music cant be clasifficate in a genre. they pushed them selfes over the top. their music is for the soul and for thet people that can feel it. amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartass_ Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I really dont think theyre punk. I just dont, dont rip my head off. But on the other hand, what is punk these days. Punk is nowhere near what punk used to be so lets all just forget the stupid genres and shit like "omg i cnt listen 2 this band, theyre not punk!!11 wot will meh bf say??+" and just.. like bands that sound good. Ok? Everyone understood? Great. Off you go. Kick grannies and youre punk. weehee. funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkRockDude Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Amazing article, very well written . It really makes you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan. Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 i dont want to be mean but they are more Pop Punk then Punk. punk is The Clash, Iggy Pop and .etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justcause Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Holy fuck, nearly nine and a half thousand views!As for Green Day being punk, I've made all the argument that I feel I should - at this point, when I see a post that disagrees, I just think 'whatever'!But even since I've written the editorial, I've come across more comments that Billie Joe has made that would just make me more convinced, if that were necessary, which it isn't. 'Evidence' isn't what it's about for me, anyway - it's a feeling about who a person is; you look at them, and you size them up and see what your gut's telling you. I based my editorial on what my gut told me in the first place, and then I just tracked down stuff that supported it, stuff I knew would be there, because I knew in my gut that this guy is true, and that this guy is punk.Punk is bred in his bones, and nothing is gonna change that; and he has nothing to prove, as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathOrGlory Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Thats because most punk bands you listen to havent been around for 17 years, so it would be impossible to have 50 yr olds familiar with them. Also your bands have never been the biggest band in the world not once but twice in their long career ....therefore the record company's couldn't to to them what they do to every band that is on top of the world-make as much money as possible however they can.Great article. that's a horrible reply. i wasn't referring to the age, more to the person. what bands do i listen to then, oh wise one? my point was conservative grandmas don't sit around singing along to punk songs, but they do to green day. it's safe and marketable to all people. i don't even know what you were trying to say in that last part, that warner hasn't been sickenly marketing off green day's recent accomplishments because this has happened before? i hope that was sarcasm ...anyway, talk about the individual members all you want, but music is pretty important to this discussion. and they've never had a punk album, so i don't see how they could be considered a punk band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitterSweetMigraine Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Like this there are many things to say about what's punk or not. Everyone thinks differently about what punk really is. It's forming your own opinion about things, and you can't quite argue with any of the comments that have been given on this topic anyway, people will always believe that they're right about that Green Day "Aren't punk" or that "They are punk". I, myself, don't think in genre's anymore music wise, and I don't label the bands I listen to anymore, because I don't care how punk or un-punk they are, as long as I like to listen to it. Read the books that are written about "punk" and what it is and when it began, they all give you "wrong" information, because you will always think differently about it. Punk (and I'm talking about the lifestyle now) means thinking for yourself, do you really need someone saying what "punk" is or what it can be? If you think Green Day are punk, that is ok, and if you think they're not that's ok too. Because there is no wrong answer!It's ok to talk about your opinions, that's good, but don't go arguing with each other about what punk really is, because there just is no answer for it.That's how I think about things now, if we were still living in the 70's I might've thought differently about it, cause that were the REAL punk times. Now it's like very thing has turned into a fashion statement, or every band is labeled as "emo". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14razorbacks Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Mike said it best in 2005.."You can take a band out of punk, but you can't take punk out of a band".Basically, I've always thought of Green Day as a good rock band with a wide range, with lots of punk influences. It's easier than fiddling about with who sold out and when and who wears what now and how many people etc.. cos thats never going anywhere. Some people say Green Day aren't punk because of American Idiot. These people probably don't know that if they want to call Green Day "sellouts" it's easier to do it by talking about signing to Reprise in '94. Would anyone really say that that was "selling out"? I sure wouldn't. Most people who say Green Day "sold out" are just trying to be cool. They don't have a clue. American Idiot wasn't a drastic change. Warning was more of a drastic change, actually. And they weren't thrown about and labeled then. Maybe because Warning wasnt as popular... this speaks a lot about how much the accusers really know..they've never had a punk album, so i don't see how they could be considered a punk bandErm.. well, thats your view, I guess, but I really do think this is.. well, rubbish..39/Smooth was a punk rock album. It had a lot of influences, and defiintely on the lighter, more melodic side of punk rock.And you think that all sorts of ages and types of people liking a band makes them not punk?The Clash. My maths teacher, a sixty year old conservative voting man, loves this band to bits.Thankyou..And by the way, everyone seems to be assuming Green Day desperately want to be punk. Well, guys, they've not once flown the flag for punk rock. They have nothing to prove. Punk rock is what they grew up with and what has influenced them heavily. They have nothing to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netty Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 Isnt it amazing? The definition of one four letter word has been causing arguments for 3 decades and still it rages on. My opinion, I dont care for or need labels. But if punk is anything then I am more inclined to agree with those who say that it`s got nothing to do with the actual type of music, nor the clothing somebody wears or the amount of press coverage they get. Its down to mental attitude. Self-belief and the self-awareness that gives you the freedom to live the way you believe is right without giving into the media led brainwashing that is part and parcel of todays society. Are Green Day punk? I dont honestly care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillie Boe. Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 wait a min, is it about green day's music now or the actual members themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendaychick4ever Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 i totally agree 200% of what you are saying. and very wll written you kick ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justcause Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 wait a min, is it about green day's music now or the actual members themselves?It's more or less what Netty said - it's to do with philosophy, attitude and roots. My original piece concerned Billie Joe's assertion of his punk identity, which goes to philosophy and lifestyle, and that's the point I was defending. But in my opinion, a lot of Green Day's music (although by no means all of it, of course) fits the musical definition too. Not only in terms of the sound of some of the earlier stuff, and most of Insomniac, most of Shenanigans - but I consider Billie Joe 's lyrics to be totally informed by his punk roots - clean structure, unfussy, direct, nothing clouding the issues - and very rigorously inconsequential, plain language taken to the maximum of its expression, in a way that's clearly a philosophy-based discipline; and as his issues are often emotion-based, I think he takes it to a whole new level, and what he does is subtle and brilliant. He managed to accommodate romance in a no-romance form and medium - with American Idiot, he has more flourish and verbal largesse, but there's still no extravagance in his expression - to sum it up, he still shoots from the hip. If you watched the interviews that went with Decades Rock, you'll have heard Elvis Costello say how in the original BritPunk/New Wave era, bands didn't tend to label themselves at all, they just did whatever they did - there was a broad range of music - from the likes of X-Ray Spex thru The Clash to Siouxsie, Costello himself, even Mari Wilson - all really different - Costello himself was always resolutely retro, with his own take on it. That was a healthy scene, and Green Day would have fitted in, no problem at all. There wouldn't have been anyone telling them that they didn't fit because they weren't The Ramones or whoever, they would have been just this other band that did it differently, like all the different takes on ska at the time - not saying Green Day are ska, now! Just making the comparison between, for instance, Madness and The Beat - the latter were a lot more political, too. I maintain that if attitudes had been as grimly proscriptive as the ones today, that scene would not have had the impact it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14razorbacks Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 wait a min, is it about green day's music now or the actual members themselves?You just posed the question people have been rowing over for a long, long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldoon Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 I agree with this ed, well done.But, I also agree that arguing over the meaning of punk is stupid and nonsensical. But if you want my personal opinion, I've always thought the first four GD albums were rock-inspired punk music and the last three were punk-inpired rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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