Fuzz Posted June 17, 2008 Author Share Posted June 17, 2008 there are many bands that copy Green Day.it's just disney's watered up version of Green Day.as stated several times before, punk has lost all meaning or concept.i completely disagree. just because a few people have made a trend of fashion or can easily say a couple things to think they're getting their punk credentials doesn't mean it's lost all meaning or concept. it means there are a more sheep out there willing to follow something that they think will make them look cool. it happens with all trends. that doesn't mean it dilutes the meaning of the people who actually do have a deeper meaning of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura33 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Why do people keep saying 'Reprise this and Reprise that' It was Billie Joe's choice to put on the eyeliner and wear that 'uniform'. They have control over what they play (and say) at concerts. The band are more in control than you lot are giving them credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest billy024 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 i completely disagree. just because a few people have made a trend of fashion or can easily say a couple things to think they're getting their punk credentials doesn't mean it's lost all meaning or concept. it means there are a more sheep out there willing to follow something that they think will make them look cool. it happens with all trends. that doesn't mean it dilutes the meaning of the people who actually do have a deeper meaning of it.hmm, i understand what you're saying, and i was a little harsh saying it had no meaning.instead of losing all meaning, i'd should have rather said it's annoying when a band delcares themselves punk, just to join the bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvnie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Why do people keep saying 'Reprise this and Reprise that' It was Billie Joe's choice to put on the eyeliner and wear that 'uniform'. They have control over what they play (and say) at concerts. The band are more in control than you lot are giving them credit for.how are you so sure??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Why do people keep saying 'Reprise this and Reprise that' It was Billie Joe's choice to put on the eyeliner and wear that 'uniform'. They have control over what they play (and say) at concerts. The band are more in control than you lot are giving them credit for.Yeah that's just people not wanting to believe that their precious Billie Joe would ever do something bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura33 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 they were heavily criticized for playing the same shows and wearing the outfits.By who? People on this forum, GD fans in general? Because as I remember it, music journalists and critics were falling over themselves to give Green Day praise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 how are you so sure???Because Green Day is one of the most popular rock bands in the US...they don't rely on Reprise. Reprise would never say "Do this or we'll kick you off the label" because they know that they would be losing a ridiculous amount of money by doing that.hmm, i understand what you're saying, and i was a little harsh saying it had no meaning.instead of losing all meaning, i'd should have rather said it's annoying when a band delcares themselves punk, just to join the bandwagon.For the most part, anyone so willing to apply a label to themselves=not punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest billy024 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Yeah that's just people not wanting to believe that their precious Billie Joe would ever do something bad. i can see why they did the whole tour exactly the same, that was definately not reprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 yea.i look back and just envy those who got to see the band before it was a clone band.i am pretty sure, when i say that the next album's tour won't be like that.they were heavily criticized for playing the same shows and wearing the outfits.yeah if they do that with the next tour i'll be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanical Man Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Editorial section? Oh... now I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest billy024 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 By who? People on this forum, GD fans in general? Because as I remember it, music journalists and critics were falling over themselves to give Green Day praisefans, i know alot of people who were and are green day fans, but could not stand it.it was most certainly not journalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvnie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 i can see why they did the whole tour exactly the same, that was definately not reprise.why did they do the whole tour the same then???do you seriosuly think it would be fun playing,saying and doing the same thing night after night?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanical Man Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 i completely disagree. just because a few people have made a trend of fashion or can easily say a couple things to think they're getting their punk credentials doesn't mean it's lost all meaning or concept. it means there are a more sheep out there willing to follow something that they think will make them look cool. it happens with all trends. that doesn't mean it dilutes the meaning of the people who actually do have a deeper meaning of it.Nah Andy, I gotta agree with him on this one. Punk has lost all of its meaning. When Sid Vicious died, punk died. When Green Day put out 'American Idiot' punk lost its meaning. But it's still a good album.-Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 i saw Green Day preform when i was 7 years old during the Warning era.that was my first concert that i enjoyed, the band was amazing.compare that to the American Idiot tour, every concert was exactly the same.same antics, same lines, same song list.it really disappointed me, i just hope they don't do that for the new album tour.i enjoyed watching youtube and people coming up on stage and talking to the band, playing guitar, asking to play songs, etc.From the videos I've seen they've had quite an organised show with set things happening since at least 1997, and by the Warning era most shows seem to be pretty pre-designed. Even back then they had set things happening that have come and gone- the whole Knowledge band member choosing / kissing / stage dive skit, extending Paper Lanterns, Hitchin A Ride groping, King For A Day stripping, stage destruction / Good Riddance, etc. It's just a bit of fun to have some stuff repeated. And Billie Joe has always liked to say his favourite little sayings and show schtick over and over With American Idiot it was the same. I think they've just added to the act and built it up over the years to make more of an impact and an impression. It's like a spectacle and very much based on showmanship, but many of the old 'traditions' have continued. I think it only seems less spontaneous because they played bigger venues, and also unlike earlier albums, American Idiot itself is very structured. It makes sense to play a lot of those songs in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest billy024 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 why did they do the whole tour the same then???do you seriosuly think it would be fun playing,saying and doing the same thing night after night??i think that american idiot was just like that because for the first time they had an album with a message. Their previous albums were about simple things. Love, boredom, etc. American Idiot was the first time they wanted to teach their audience something. So obviously they decided they needed a different structure for their live show. I'm sure if they go back to writing about every day things, they'll go back to their old performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermodel*Robot Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 i think punk hasn't lost it's meaning, it's just that no one can seem to agree on its definition anymore. If punk was easily defined then their would never be argument about whether Green Day was punk or not. Punk is like the word "nice" or "pretty." some people would define someone as pretty and other wouldn't. That's why the constant battle over who's punk and who's not will never be won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 From the videos I've seen they've had quite an organised show with set things happening since at least 1997, and by the Warning era most shows seem to be pretty pre-designed. Even back then they had set things happening that have come and gone- the whole Knowledge band member choosing / kissing / stage dive skit, extending Paper Lanterns, Hitchin A Ride groping, King For A Day stripping, stage destruction / Good Riddance, etc.There's a different between having a specific setlist, doing certain things during certain songs, etc. and completely destroying any bit of originality to the shows.I am not exaggerating when I say that I downloaded two concerts from different cities, and they were IDENTICAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest billy024 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 There's a different between having a specific setlist, doing certain things during certain songs, etc. and completely destroying any bit of originality to the shows.I am not exaggerating when I say that I downloaded two concerts from different cities, and they were IDENTICAL.couldn't have said it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura33 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Nah Andy, I gotta agree with him on this one. Punk has lost all of its meaning. When Sid Vicious died, punk died. When Green Day put out 'American Idiot' punk lost its meaning. But it's still a good album.-JoeI think that's a little far-fetched to be honest. I don't get why everyone associates punk with Sid, he was just a famous mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest billy024 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I think that's a little far-fetched to be honest. I don't get why everyone associates punk with Sid, he was just a famous mess.in sid's own mind, he was the only true punk.the sex pistols, as i've stated before, are, were, and will be talentless bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Eh, punk's not that great anyways. Most "punk" music is shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 There's a different between having a specific setlist, doing certain things during certain songs, etc. and completely destroying any bit of originality to the shows.I am not exaggerating when I say that I downloaded two concerts from different cities, and they were IDENTICAL.OK I'll admit that is quite annoying. But I don't think the A.I. tour is the only time they've done that. If you look at concerts (not festivals or TV appearances) from 1995, they seriously are mostly identical to each other. All the Pop Disaster Tour concerts are the same. Most of the Warning era concerts (again excluding "special" concerts) are the same. I think in each tour their basic normal concerts have been pretty standardised. It's usually only at "special" concerts or events that cool extra stuff goes on. Whether it's Woodstock 1994, or the Warfield 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I downloaded quite a few shows from the AI tour, I wouldn't call them identical, just very samey, lots of the same one liners and whatnot, but also a lot of local stuff thrown in. And they were still brilliant shows, so I don't think it matters much. I can't see them doing it again, though. They seem to like to toy with things, and then move on. About the punk thing; I don't think Green Day even care anymore. By doing AI they've basically proved that. They're doing what they want to do, regardless of what anyone thinks. It's like what Mike said about the song Good Riddance, about it being the most punk thing they could have done (putting it on the album). I kind of agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I think in each tour their basic normal concerts have been pretty standardised. It's usually only at "special" concerts or events that cool extra stuff goes on. Whether it's Woodstock 1994, or the Warfield 2005.I think they should do that stuff at every concert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted June 17, 2008 Author Share Posted June 17, 2008 Nah Andy, I gotta agree with him on this one. Punk has lost all of its meaning. When Sid Vicious died, punk died. When Green Day put out 'American Idiot' punk lost its meaning. But it's still a good album.-Joei'm pretty punk has always been bigger than one person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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