what would you say or do if you met green day ?

[HelloFromTheGutter]

all your super intensive definitions don't change the fact that it's all more or less the same thing. give the average music fan a slayer mix with a song from every album and they would never classify it as varied. the fact is, they go in, write a riff, bang out a solo, and that's about it. they proved they could do it 20 years ago. we get it.

why would it satisfy you so much to hear me name some slayer songs? it's not that i couldn't name any slayer songs, it's that i didn't because that doesn't prove anything. any single person who doesn't know what they're talking about could come in here and name a few slayer songs. could that same person come in here and serve you your shit?

and what are the charts if not a measuring rod for popularity? especially in those days, a band that charted was obviously significantly more popular than a band who didn't. also, using an anthrax release from 1987 means shit all, seeing as how metallica had already released master of puppets by then and broken the genre wide open.

what exactly did i lie about? i said their chart positions doubled after master of puppets. well, looking at that image, that's exactly what they fucking did.

People have brains, they use them. You'd have to be a retard to see no musical difference between "The Antichrist", "Jesus Saves" and "Bloodline"....

And if you have any fucking clue what you're talking about, you'd be able to tell me something about a Slayer song you heard... Name, Riff, any fucking thing about it.. Meaning, there's no proof you ever heard a Slayer song, so how the fuck can you say all this shit if you never heard em..

And wtf.. Anthrax had averaging higher ratings and getting higher positions per album as they years went by, than Metallica.. Metallica was not the only fucking band who made it high in the polls... Anthrax got higher up faster during the times of thrash.. Slayer was barely behind Metallica, just by a few positions in the polls...

What did you lie about, here's your quote:

anthrax is another completely wrong assessment. just like with slayer, their albums didn't even chart until after metallica's did. even then, their chart positions doubled after master of puppets. see the connection yet?

You said I was completely wrong.. Yet I was dead on with my claim with Anthrax...

[HelloFromTheGutter]

And actually Metallica didn't do much for Slayer. Slayer was much more extreme and the extremity of what Metallica was putting out, was barely that much more than what was out already. Motorhead, for the most part, was just as "extreme" as Metallica was at the time, and probably did more for Slayer than Metallica... I'd say Motorhead had a larger affect on popularizing Slayer than Metallica did:

So.. "On Parole" doesn't count as it wasn't an authorized studio recording.. Which is why it didn't score in the charts.. And their debut just had really bad production.

[HelloFromTheGutter]

Let me just some up how your "Slayer wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Metallica" arguement, is wrong.. Just so you stop going on with that one..

-Motorhead was, for the most part, just as "extreme" during their time as Metallica was. So Motorhead did much more for Slayer than Metallica did.

-Venom, for the most part, created the style that Slayer would largely progress and define... And then go on to influence hundreds of different bands with

-Anthrax helped just as much to popularize the genre as Metallica did..

[Irizzle]

I'd tell them they're awesome musicians and they inspired me to play guitar.

And then I'd tell them they're sexy bitches.

Then I'd... ask for autographs.

[Pull My Strings]

I'd tell them to ditch the major label, ditch their trendy image, and go back to Gilman and Lookout! which they betrayed years before. Oh, I'd tell Billie Joe to burn his undeserved "Best Guitarist of the Year" awards, because I don't think he's ever played a solo longer than 10 seconds, and just plays power chords.

[mclaren]

People have brains, they use them. You'd have to be a retard to see no musical difference between "The Antichrist", "Jesus Saves" and "Bloodline"....

And if you have any fucking clue what you're talking about, you'd be able to tell me something about a Slayer song you heard... Name, Riff, any fucking thing about it.. Meaning, there's no proof you ever heard a Slayer song, so how the fuck can you say all this shit if you never heard em..

And wtf.. Anthrax had averaging higher ratings and getting higher positions per album as they years went by, than Metallica.. Metallica was not the only fucking band who made it high in the polls... Anthrax got higher up faster during the times of thrash.. Slayer was barely behind Metallica, just by a few positions in the polls...

What did you lie about, here's your quote:

You said I was completely wrong.. Yet I was dead on with my claim with Anthrax...

are you honestly trying to convince me that slayer isn't a formulaic band? all you've argued is how they've moved around inside their genre, but none of that means they still haven't been banging out the same formula of riffs and solos over and over.

i really can't understand why you can't seem to grasp all these relations of charts. yes, anthrax did well in charts. the thing i'm saying is, they did well after metallica broke out and allowed them to do so. and seriously, reading comprehension isn't as hard as you're making it. i didn't say you were wrong in saying that anthrax didn't sell reasonably well, i was saying your assessment of that fact was completely inaccurate, as i just summarized at the beginning of this paragraph.

[Irizzle]

I'd tell them to ditch the major label, ditch their trendy image, and go back to Gilman and Lookout! which they betrayed years before. Oh, I'd tell Billie Joe to burn his undeserved "Best Guitarist of the Year" awards, because I don't think he's ever played a solo longer than 10 seconds, and just plays power chords.

your sig is fucking huge

k nevermind it got changed

[Pull My Strings]

are you honestly trying to convince me that slayer isn't a formulaic band? all you've argued is how they've moved around inside their genre, but none of that means they still haven't been banging out the same formula of riffs and solos over and over.

i really can't understand why you can't seem to grasp all these relations of charts. yes, anthrax did well in charts. the thing i'm saying is, they did well after metallica broke out and allowed them to do so. and seriously, reading comprehension isn't as hard as you're making it. i didn't say you were wrong in saying that anthrax didn't sell reasonably well, i was saying your assessment of that fact was completely inaccurate, as i just summarized at the beginning of this paragraph.

Slayer is not a formulaic band, you dipshit.

Listen to the Show No Mercy album, then listen to Reign in Blood, then listen to South of Heaven. Tell me that they've "just been banging out the same formula of riffs and solos over and over".

[mclaren]

And actually Metallica didn't do much for Slayer. Slayer was much more extreme and the extremity of what Metallica was putting out, was barely that much more than what was out already. Motorhead, for the most part, was just as "extreme" as Metallica was at the time, and probably did more for Slayer than Metallica... I'd say Motorhead had a larger affect on popularizing Slayer than Metallica did:

comparing how extreme bands were has nothing to do with this argument, so that's pointless to address. anyhow, motorhead, at their peak, we never even a quarter as large as metallica was at theirs. there's no way one could reasonably say that motorhead served as a gateway band to the same degree as metallica did.

[HelloFromTheGutter]

are you honestly trying to convince me that slayer isn't a formulaic band? all you've argued is how they've moved around inside their genre, but none of that means they still haven't been banging out the same formula of riffs and solos over and over.

i really can't understand why you can't seem to grasp all these relations of charts. yes, anthrax did well in charts. the thing i'm saying is, they did well after metallica broke out and allowed them to do so. and seriously, reading comprehension isn't as hard as you're making it. i didn't say you were wrong in saying that anthrax didn't sell reasonably well, i was saying your assessment of that fact was completely inaccurate, as i just summarized at the beginning of this paragraph.

So what you're saying is you're criticizing Slayer for staying within the entire genre of Metal? As their early riffs were not thrash riffs.. Their solos were fairly similar.. But their riffs were quite different.. The riff of "The Antichrist" is very different in technique than that of "Reign In Blood" or "Angel of Death"...

I couldn't grasp it as it doesn't make much sense. How exactly did Metallica do this? Motorhead had a very similar technique and brought the entire speed metal/thrash metal genre into the billboards... Metallica was not the first to do that..

[relic]

wow. its been two hours since i woke up, and this argument is still going.

[mclaren]

Let me just some up how your "Slayer wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Metallica" arguement, is wrong.. Just so you stop going on with that one..

i've never said that. in fact, i've already stated in this thread that it wouldn't be true. the rest of your post is useless if it's hinging on that.

So what you're saying is you're criticizing Slayer for staying within the entire genre of Metal? As their early riffs were not thrash riffs.. Their solos were fairly similar.. But their riffs were quite different.. The riff of "The Antichrist" is very different in technique than that of "Reign In Blood" or "Angel of Death"...

I couldn't grasp it as it doesn't make much sense. How exactly did Metallica do this? Motorhead had a very similar technique and brought the entire speed metal/thrash metal genre into the billboards... Metallica was not the first to do that..

are you disputing that motorhead was never even close to as big as metallica? i also never said that metallica was the first trash band to chart because that's irrelevant.

[HelloFromTheGutter]

From the "Vote from Jello Biafra" avatar, guessing that's you Creeping =P And well said

i've never said that. in fact, i've already stated in this thread that it wouldn't be true. the rest of your post is useless if it's hinging on that.

Remember this quote?:

and kerry king bashes metallica for trying to achieve mainstream success, whereas if metallica never existed, he'd probably be on welfare right now.

are you disputing that motorhead was never even close to as big as metallica? i also never said that metallica was the first trash band to chart because that's irrelevant.

No.. Did you read what I posted? I said Motorhead already broke the ground that you're saying Metallica did (Btw, Creeping, I'm not insulting Metallica in the least bit, just incase it looks like that.. I'm just saying that it wasn't 100% because of them thrash was so popular.. Just telling ya so you don't get the wrong idea, KEA = Godly album ). Motorhead already got that style of music intop the billboards long before!

[Keith Moon]

you can make any band seem talented by comparing them to green day in terms of musical capability. so their drummer can play at fast tempos. so their guitarist can play a million notes per second. so their singer has a large vocal range. here's one thing they can't do: write decent songs.

If you're not a fan of metal, then don't bash it like an ignorant prick. You obviously don't appreciate it, and know anything about it. That automatically voids your two-bit opinion. I have heard EVERY Green Day album multiple times, and plenty of metal, and it's safe to say that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

[mclaren]

From the "Vote from Jello Biafra" avatar, guessing that's you Creeping =P And well said

Remember this quote?:

saying slayer wouldn't exist and implying slayer wouldn't be selling many records nowadays are two entirely different things.

[mclaren]

If you're not a fan of metal, then don't bash it like an ignorant prick. You obviously don't appreciate it, and know nothing about it. That automatically voids your two-bit opinion. I have heard EVERY Green Day album multiple times, and plenty of metal, and it's safe to say that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

your post hinges on the idea that i like green day, which i never remember stating to you. it's funny because i'm basically bashing green day in that post more than i'm bashing slayer.

[HelloFromTheGutter]

Alright, I still don't think Slayer's popularity would have been largely affected, for this reason:

are you disputing that motorhead was never even close to as big as metallica? i also never said that metallica was the first trash band to chart because that's irrelevant.

No.. Did you read what I posted? I said Motorhead already broke the ground that you're saying Metallica did (Btw, Creeping, I'm not insulting Metallica in the least bit, just incase it looks like that.. I'm just saying that it wasn't 100% because of them thrash was so popular.. Just telling ya so you don't get the wrong idea, KEA = Godly album ). Motorhead already got that style of music intop the billboards long before!

[Keith Moon]

your argument is basically "they went from fast trash to slow trash to midtemp trash to medium fast trash to this thrash to that trash, trash trash trash trash...". notice the common theme? thrash is already a very specific genre, it's not like there's a hell of lot of room for growth within it.

and yeah, no shit slayer would have existed, nor did i ever claim metallica influenced them, but without the movement that was so dependant on metallica, slayer would have gained next to no notoriety. metallica was a gateway a band. without them, i doubt many slayer fans would have ever come to know/like the band.

Ah, so your opinion is that Slayer never changed their style, and therefore they suck. But when the fuck did Green Day change their style besides American Idiot? They pounded out the same pop-punk styleed, overly simplistic beats for 16 fucking years, until AI. Then they became mainstream puppets, and I wouldn't exactly say that counts as a significant showcase of versatility. Versatility, which causes you to be so quick to jump the gun, and say that Slayer sucks.

Why does their respect for Metallica even matter? Bring something up with relevance.

okay, they started out as a "hardcore punk/classic metal" band, as you call it. have you ever stopped to think of what the fuck a hardcore punk and classic metal fusion would sound like? a hell of a lot like trash would be my guess. let's play your game though. let's pretend that "hardcore punk/classic metal" it a completely different genre. that doesn't change the fact that they've safely stayed within the trash genre for a good 20 years.

it's also a good thing that my not naming a slayer song discredits me, because you've certainly failed at discrediting me yourself. do you honestly think i can't name a slayer song? even if i couldn't, we're on the internet. a couple clicks gives me all the apparent knowledge i need to satisfy my credibility with you. not the best thing for you to base it on.

you seem to be under the impression that i'm saying metallica invented all things metal, which i'm not. yes, i'm aware that there were trash bands around when metallica started. yes, i'm aware that other bands like slayer have attained high chart positions. here's the magical key though: these bands attained success after metallica did. the concepts of gateways isn't a very difficult one, i'm sure you can draw the conclusion i've been getting at with this new profound information.

as for your soloing comment, just because anyone can solo, doesn't mean they should. how retarded would it sound if billie joe just started tapping the shit out of his guitar neck in the middle of american idiot. if he did, you'd probably be accusing him of ripping off your precious trash bands. someone just needs to tap slayer on the shoulder and say "you can play solos really really fast. we get it. we got it 20 years ago, in fact."

Wow, what exactly are you trying to prove?

[Pull My Strings]

Considering that Metallica's first album to achieve considerable album sales was Master of Puppets and Slayer's first album to achieve considerable record sales was Reign in Blood, and they happened to come out the same year, I suggest you shut the fuck up when you say that Slayer would be nowhere without Metallica.

[Amanda]

Can you start editing the quote pyramids please.

Last post is all that is needed, and none of this has any relevance to meeting Green Day.

[mclaren]

Alright, I still don't think Slayer's popularity would have been largely affected, for this reason:

No.. Did you read what I posted? I said Motorhead already broke the ground that you're saying Metallica did (Btw, Creeping, I'm not insulting Metallica in the least bit, just incase it looks like that.. I'm just saying that it wasn't 100% because of them thrash was so popular.. Just telling ya so you don't get the wrong idea, KEA = Godly album ). Motorhead already got that style of music intop the billboards long before!

i'm not talking about "breaking ground" in a musical sense. i'm talking about introducing the masses to a new genre. while motorhead certainly pioneered the style of music, they never transcended the genre like metallica did. metallica are the only trash band to really ever do so, so i don't see how it can be argued that metallica didn't serve as a huge gateway band.

[Tuesdays Child]

Umm, how did this whole thing get into the topic of Slayer?

Edit" w00t- 100th post!!

[mclaren]

that's the beauty of message boards. you can go back in time and see for yourself.

[Pan.]

Interesting, but the previous posts posted has nothing to do with meeting Green Day. o.o;

[Tuesdays Child]

that's the beauty of message boards. you can go back in time and see for yourself.

I know... but I didn't feel like reading it all. I figured someone who had would just explain it cuz... I dunno that'd be nice, but nevermind. I just kinda was woundering what Slayer had to do with meeting Green Day.