what would you say or do if you met green day ?

[HelloFromTheGutter]

you can make any band seem talented by comparing them to green day in terms of musical capability. so their drummer can play at fast tempos. so their guitarist can play a million notes per second. so their singer has a large vocal range. here's one thing they can't do: write decent songs.

Name 5 Slayer songs.. And tell me something about 2 or 3 of them so I know you've heard em..

Seriously, they write kick ass catchy as well as amazing songs with amazing riffs and drums. And their lyrics are much better than Green Day's. They make more sense and aren't hypocritical.

To Kaytee: Sorry not owned as this is not Mclaren's place to speak, as he does not know what he is talking about here.

[katie]

Name 5 Slayer songs.. And tell me something about 2 or 3 of them so I know you've heard em..

Seriously, they write kick ass catchy as well as amazing songs with amazing riffs and drums. And their lyrics are much better than Green Day's. They make more sense and aren't hypocritical.

green day's lyrics make sense.

[HelloFromTheGutter]

green day's lyrics make sense.

Green Day bash on the media owning America.. Well Green Day falls into that, as they've whored themsevles out to MTV and the rest of the media a long time ago..

Oh yeah, it makes soo much sense.

[NobodyLikesU]

no offence at all but..um...WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!why in living hell would you throw a krispy kreme doughnut at him and tell him to get fat? seriously...Do you really want the hottest guy on planet earth fat?

[mclaren]

Name 5 Slayer songs.. And tell me something about 2 or 3 of them so I know you've heard em..

Seriously, they write kick ass catchy as well as amazing songs with amazing riffs and drums. And their lyrics are much better than Green Day's. They make more sense and aren't hypocritical.

i don't know song names. i've listened to a few of their albums and they're terrible. they've been following the same formula for what, 20 years now? simple fucking plan has shown more growth and diversity than these guys. not to mention kerry king is possibly the most egotistical jackass in all of music. he makes axl rose sound like a genius.

Green Day bash on the media owning America.. Well Green Day falls into that, as they've whored themsevles out to MTV and the rest of the media a long time ago..

Oh yeah, it makes soo much sense.

and kerry king bashes metallica for trying to achieve mainstream success, whereas if metallica never existed, he'd probably be on welfare right now.

[katie]

no offence at all but..um...WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!why in living hell would you throw a krispy kreme doughnut at him and tell him to get fat? seriously...Do you really want the hottest guy on planet earth fat?

yes.

[HelloFromTheGutter]

i don't know song names. i've listened to a few of their albums and they're terrible. they've been following the same formula for what, 20 years now? simple fucking plan has shown more growth and diversity than these guys. not to mention kerry king is possibly the most egotistical jackass in all of music. he makes axl rose sound like a genius.

and kerry king bashes metallica for trying to achieve mainstream success, whereas if metallica never existed, he'd probably be on welfare right now.

You serious.. They started as a heavy metal/hardcore punk band with their "Show No Mercy" debut.. They developed into a pure speed built thrash band.. They then moved onto a slower tempo form of thrash.. They're developed their music a shit load! Seriously, your statement has no proof. You just say shit and never prove it.

And no, Slayer wouldn't be on welfare if it weren't for Metallica. He bashes on Metallica for simplifying their snog structures and whoring themselves out to the media. They swore to never sell out as an early band and then completely lied and went and sold out. And by the way, SLayer was influenced by bands like Venom, Motorhead, Discharge, etc.. Not Metallica.. And Overkill wrote their first music before Metallica, so thrash woulda still developed fine.. Get your facts straight.

[judas pri3st masta]

i would slap bj and tell him to learn how to sing and how to play the guitar without doing repetetive power chords and to stop wearing gay make-up like a school girl, and i would tell them all to play how they used to, at least they used to be comparable to other bands

[mclaren]

You serious.. They started as a heavy metal/hardcore punk band with their "Show No Mercy" debut.. They developed into a pure speed built thrash band.. They then moved onto a slower tempo form of thrash.. They're developed their music a shit load! Seriously, your statement has no proof. You just say shit and never prove it.

And no, Slayer wouldn't be on welfare if it weren't for Metallica. He bashes on Metallica for simplifying their snog structures and whoring themselves out to the media. They swore to never sell out as an early band and then completely lied and went and sold out. And by the way, SLayer was influenced by bands like Venom, Motorhead, Discharge, etc.. Not Metallica.. And Overkill wrote their first music before Metallica, so thrash woulda still developed fine.. Get your facts straight.

your argument is basically "they went from fast trash to slow trash to midtemp trash to medium fast trash to this thrash to that trash, trash trash trash trash...". notice the common theme? thrash is already a very specific genre, it's not like there's a hell of lot of room for growth within it.

and yeah, no shit slayer would have existed, nor did i ever claim metallica influenced them, but without the movement that was so dependant on metallica, slayer would have gained next to no notoriety. metallica was a gateway a band. without them, i doubt many slayer fans would have ever come to know/like the band.

[Guest Phoebe.]

Note;

Dont mess with mclaren

He will take you down. With cunning or force. Whichever he cares to excercise first.

[mclaren]

i would slap bj and tell him to learn how to sing and how to play the guitar without doing repetetive power chords and to stop wearing gay make-up like a school girl, and i would tell them all to play how they used to, at least they used to be comparable to other bands

you just used "gay" as an insult, yet look at the vocalist from the band in your signature. you guys are awesome. bring your whole forum over.

[HelloFromTheGutter]

your argument is basically "they went from fast trash to slow trash to midtemp trash to medium fast trash to this thrash to that trash, trash trash trash trash...". notice the common theme? thrash is already a very specific genre, it's not like there's a hell of lot of room for growth within it.

and yeah, no shit slayer would have existed, nor did i ever claim metallica influenced them, but without the movement that was so dependant on metallica, slayer would have gained next to no notoriety. metallica was a gateway a band. without them, i doubt many slayer fans would have ever come to know/like the band.

And notice how you completely ignored how I talked about them starting as a hardcore punk/classic metal band.... And who says a band has to change it's style constantly to be good? I'd give them more credit if they stayed in the same style, but still spewed out hundreds of amazing songs in that style. It's much harder to do that than move into 5 different genres and make 10 songs in each.

I seriously doubt that, too. They're just one thrash band, and at the time when Metallica was thrash (from 1981-1990), they were no more popular than Slayer, Megadeth, Death Angel, etc. And Slayer's still sold millions and millions of albums before Metallica was anymore popular a band than Slayer. Slayer's popularity would barely of been affected if there was not Metallica, Iron Maiden, Slipknot, Machine Head, Tool.. All gateway bands as well...

[judas pri3st masta]

QUOTE(judas pri3st masta @ Apr 8 2006, 05:11 PM)

i would slap bj and tell him to learn how to sing and how to play the guitar without doing repetetive power chords and to stop wearing gay make-up like a school girl, and i would tell them all to play how they used to, at least they used to be comparable to other bands

you just used "gay" as an insult, yet look at the vocalist from the band in your signature. you guys are awesome. bring your whole forum over.

haha, i don't hate gay people, i just hate people who dress like girls and act gay.

a lot of gay people are fine, just not the talentless and make-up wearing ones, unless they're doing a cross dressing act, then it's just funny, come to think of it, bj does that too doesn't he?

[katie]

i think mclaren. is. amazing.

[DeathOrGlory]

wazzup, dawgs?

oops didn't see their was an arguement going on. haha, sorry to interrupt

[HelloFromTheGutter]

Note;

Dont mess with mclaren

He will take you down. With cunning or force. Whichever he cares to excercise first.

Don't worry. I'm no music novice either. I listen to over 500 bands in total from many, many different genres. I play guitar, drums and tinker with bass, so I know the talent-based and song-writting-based world behind the actual music..

I'm no dumb ass either, don't worry about that

[mclaren]

And notice how you completely ignored how I talked about them starting as a hardcore punk/classic metal band.... And who says a band has to change it's style constantly to be good? I'd give them more credit if they stayed in the same style, but still spewed out hundreds of amazing songs in that style. It's much harder to do that than move into 5 different genres and make 10 songs in each.

I seriously doubt that, too. They're just one thrash band, and at the time when Metallica was thrash (from 1981-1990), they were no more popular than Slayer, Megadeth, Death Angel, etc. And Slayer's still sold millions and millions of albums before Metallica was anymore popular a band than Slayer. Slayer's popularity would barely of been affected if there was not Metallica, Iron Maiden, Slipknot, Machine Head, Tool.. All gateway bands as well...

are you kidding me? it's harder to stay within a genre? most bands only stay within one genre because it's all they can do. anyone can bang out a few riffs, rip a solo, then call it a night. slayer have been doing that for over two decades. yeah, way to push the limits guys.

it's funny that you bring up album sales as if it will help slayers case, seeing as how metallicas first three albums all charted on billboard before a slayer album ever did. see the connection yet? also, you can't bring up bands like slipknot, machine head, and tool, because they all happened after the trash movement. it can be argued that those bands would never have achieved popularity (or even existed) had metallica not been around.

[HelloFromTheGutter]

are you kidding me? it's harder to stay within a genre? most bands only stay within one genre because it's all they can do. anyone can bang out a few riffs, rip a solo, then call it a night. slayer have been doing that for over two decades. yeah, way to push the limits guys.

it's funny that you bring up album sales as if it will help slayers case, seeing as how metallicas first three albums all charted on billboard before a slayer album ever did. see the connection yet? also, you can't bring up bands like slipknot, machine head, and tool, because they all happened after the trash movement. it can be argued that those bands would never have achieved popularity (or even existed) had metallica not been around.

God dammit, read what I'm saying! They started as a fucking hardcore punk/classic metal band!!!!!!! They developed into a extreme metal form of thrash, and then into a more classic thrash sound, then into an almost metalcore like sound... If that's not musical change, I don't know what the fuck is..

And looks like Green Day is nobody then, I've never heard them solo, and you said anyone could..

And Slayer does it very well, the fact that you couldn't name a song just proves what you say about Slayer is discredited.

Seriously.. I can play thrash songs on guitar, as well as classic rock, punk and blues.. It's not hard to transition..

And finally, Metallica wans't that big.. Did yuo notice how there were 10+ thrash bands who all started at the exact same time as Metallica and became popular as well. Of course not to the mainstream-whore extent of Green Day, etc.. Anthrax is also a gateway band. They formed when Metallica did (same year, '81), had very high positions in the charts, etc..

And Slayer had a lot of record sales and low stances in the charts because they were boycotted by CBS and several other media sources. Their stances against the government, etc caused them to be boycotted, which is why they did not appear in the charts. But that didn't stop dedicated Slayer fans, though.

And another thing you're not getting: Metallica was barely more popular than Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth, Overkill, etc at their time when they played thrash ('81-'90)... Meaning they weren't a "gateway" then.. People could get into Slayer as easily as Metallica.

[Gwen]

I think I'd only talk to Tré and say : "Hi ! do you like hot french girl ?"

[mclaren]

God dammit, read what I'm saying! They started as a fucking hardcore punk/classic metal band!!!!!!! They developed into a extreme metal form of thrash, and then into a more classic thrash sound, then into an almost metalcore like sound... If that's not musical change, I don't know what the fuck is..

And looks like Green Day is nobody then, I've never heard them solo, and you said anyone could..

And Slayer does it very well, the fact that you couldn't name a song just proves what you say about Slayer is discredited.

Seriously.. I can play thrash songs on guitar, as well as classic rock, punk and blues.. It's not hard to transition..

And finally, Metallica wans't that big.. Did yuo notice how there were 10+ thrash bands who all started at the exact same time as Metallica and became popular as well. Of course not to the mainstream-whore extent of Green Day, etc.. Anthrax is also a gateway band. They formed when Metallica did (same year, '81), had very high positions in the charts, etc..

And Slayer had a lot of record sales and low stances in the charts because they were boycotted by CBS and several other media sources. Their stances against the government, etc caused them to be boycotted, which is why they did not appear in the charts. But that didn't stop dedicated Slayer fans, though.

okay, they started out as a "hardcore punk/classic metal" band, as you call it. have you ever stopped to think of what the fuck a hardcore punk and classic metal fusion would sound like? a hell of a lot like trash would be my guess. let's play your game though. let's pretend that "hardcore punk/classic metal" it a completely different genre. that doesn't change the fact that they've safely stayed within the trash genre for a good 20 years.

it's also a good thing that my not naming a slayer song discredits me, because you've certainly failed at discrediting me yourself. do you honestly think i can't name a slayer song? even if i couldn't, we're on the internet. a couple clicks gives me all the apparent knowledge i need to satisfy my credibility with you. not the best thing for you to base it on.

you seem to be under the impression that i'm saying metallica invented all things metal, which i'm not. yes, i'm aware that there were trash bands around when metallica started. yes, i'm aware that other bands like slayer have attained high chart positions. here's the magical key though: these bands attained success after metallica did. the concepts of gateways isn't a very difficult one, i'm sure you can draw the conclusion i've been getting at with this new profound information.

as for your soloing comment, just because anyone can solo, doesn't mean they should. how retarded would it sound if billie joe just started tapping the shit out of his guitar neck in the middle of american idiot. if he did, you'd probably be accusing him of ripping off your precious trash bands. someone just needs to tap slayer on the shoulder and say "you can play solos really really fast. we get it. we got it 20 years ago, in fact."

[HelloFromTheGutter]

okay, they started out as a "hardcore punk/classic metal" band, as you call it. have you ever stopped to think of what the fuck a hardcore punk and classic metal fusion would sound like? a hell of a lot like trash would be my guess. let's play your game though. let's pretend that "hardcore punk/classic metal" it a completely different genre. that doesn't change the fact that they've safely stayed within the trash genre for a good 20 years.

it's also a good thing that my not naming a slayer song discredits me, because you've certainly failed at discrediting me yourself. do you honestly think i can't name a slayer song? even if i couldn't, we're on the internet. a couple clicks gives me all the apparent knowledge i need to satisfy my credibility with you. not the best thing for you to base it on.

you seem to be under the impression that i'm saying metallica invented all things metal, which i'm not. yes, i'm aware that there were trash bands around when metallica started. yes, i'm aware that other bands like slayer have attained high chart positions. here's the magical key though: these bands attained success after metallica did. the concepts of gateways isn't a very difficult one, i'm sure you can draw the conclusion i've been getting at with this new profound information.

First album (AKA, Show No Mercy): Hardcore Punk

Next EP (AKA, Haunting The Chapel): Classic Heavy Metal/devloping into thrash

Hell Awaits+Reign In Blood: Extreme Metal with thrash vocals

South of Heaven: Distortion-less classic thrash, more melody-based, a big risk for Slayer

Seasons In The Abyss: More brutal, very fast thrash with melody incorporated

Everything after: Thrashy Metalcore

That's a SHIT load of musical change.. And I didn't mean hardcore punk and classic heavy metal at the same time. For their EP they had a classic metal feel, while "Show No Mercy" was very much so hardcore punk. So no, they haven't stayed "safely within thrash for over 20 years"...

Yet Green Day has stayed safely inside very pop-based pop-punk for nearly 20 years...

And why not? As fmo your apparent knowledge, you have none of Slayer's songs.. You said you couldn't name one when I asked you in different wording.. And obviously you'd download a song, not give it a chance and say it sucks just so you don't lose an arguement.. So yes, I obviously can discredit your knowledge of the band if you can't name a single song. Cause listening to two or three songs once and forgetting their names isn't exactly credible...

And finally, Anthrax became popular through the mainstream BEFORE Metallica.. Their style was very mainstream-friendly, and by 1987, they were already much more popular than Metallica. They gained their huge front of popularity before Metallica!!!

[mclaren]

First album (AKA, Show No Mercy): Hardcore Punk

Next EP (AKA, Haunting The Chapel): Classic Heavy Metal/devloping into thrash

Hell Awaits+Reign In Blood: Extreme Metal with thrash vocals

South of Heaven: Distortion-less classic thrash, more melody-based, a big risk for Slayer

Seasons In The Abyss: More brutal, very fast thrash with melody incorporated

Everything after: Thrashy Metalcore

That's a SHIT load of musical change.. And I didn't mean hardcore punk and classic heavy metal at the same time. For their EP they had a classic metal feel, while "Show No Mercy" was very much so hardcore punk. So no, they haven't stayed "safely within thrash for over 20 years"...

Yet Green Day has stayed safely inside very pop-based pop-punk for nearly 20 years...

And why not? As fmo your apparent knowledge, you have none of Slayer's songs.. You said you couldn't name one when I asked you in different wording.. And obviously you'd download a song, not give it a chance and say it sucks just so you don't lose an arguement.. So yes, I obviously can discredit your knowledge of the band if you can't name a single song. Cause listening to two or three songs once and forgetting their names isn't exactly credible...

And finally, Anthrax became popular through the mainstream BEFORE Metallica.. Their style was very mainstream-friendly, and by 1987, they were already much more popular than Metallica. They gained their huge front of popularity before Metallica!!!

i'm not naming slayer songs as a form of protest to your retarded reasoning. i could very easily just look up some slayer songs and name them, so why the hell would you base my credibility off of how many slayer songs i can name?

anthrax is another completely wrong assessment. just like with slayer, their albums didn't even chart until after metallica's did. even then, their chart positions doubled after master of puppets. see the connection yet?

[HelloFromTheGutter]

i'm not naming slayer songs as a form of protest to your retarded reasoning. i could very easily just look up some slayer songs and name them, so why the hell would you base my credibility off of how many slayer songs i can name?

anthrax is another completely wrong assessment. just like with slayer, their albums didn't even chart until after metallica's did. even then, their chart positions doubled after master of puppets. see the connection yet?

Did you even read what I said or did you just highlight anything that said thrash. They started as hardcore punk, moved onto classic metal (the only reason I said thrash was because of it's high speed, but instrumentally, IT WAS FUCKING CLASSIC METAL!), then to extreme metal (with thrash vocals and vocals don't catagorize the band, so that was a huge change!), then to classic thrash metal (so far it's, this is the only time they've been really thrash.. and this style nearly resembled groove metal!), then to a combination of classic thrash and extreme metal.. then to metalcore that was somewhat thrashy..

Of course they'd be like 20% thrash at least during their entire career, they're a thrash band, meaning they'd always be somewhat thrashy... But they constantly changed styles anyways.. What were you expecting them to do? Go from hardcore punk to thrash to country western to rap or something? They're metal but they had a large variety of different styles through their career!!

And is it my "retarded reasoning" or your inability to understand anyones reasoning other than your fucking own? Seriously, when you started bashing slayer, you couldn't name any songs, meaning you had no backing arguement to your statements.. I don't give a shit if you go listen to slayer songs later on, as that doesn't affect the fact that your previous statements had no backing reasoning..

And no Anthrax isn't wrong. For christs sake, you don't have to be high in the charts to be extremely popular. If the music is too explicit or too heavy it won't place. But in actuality they were more popular.. Especially during their rap-metal EP "I'm The Man" in 1987 which reeled them in a huge wave of popularity.

Something you mighta missed.. About how you're false accusation about how I was wrong... Meaning, you just made up a lie to make my arguement look bad, I lookde it up, found out you were wrong..

[mclaren]

Did you even read what I said or did you just highlight anything that said thrash. They started as hardcore punk, moved onto classic metal (the only reason I said thrash was because of it's high speed, but instrumentally, IT WAS FUCKING CLASSIC METAL!), then to extreme metal (with thrash vocals and vocals don't catagorize the band, so that was a huge change!), then to classic thrash metal (so far it's, this is the only time they've been really thrash.. and this style nearly resembled groove metal!), then to a combination of classic thrash and extreme metal.. then to metalcore that was somewhat thrashy..

Of course they'd be like 20% thrash at least during their entire career, they're a thrash band, meaning they'd always be somewhat thrashy... But they constantly changed styles anyways.. What were you expecting them to do? Go from hardcore punk to thrash to country western to rap or something? They're metal but they had a large variety of different styles through their career!!

And is it my "retarded reasoning" or your inability to understand anyones reasoning other than your fucking own? Seriously, when you started bashing slayer, you couldn't name any songs, meaning you had no backing arguement to your statements.. I don't give a shit if you go listen to slayer songs later on, as that doesn't affect the fact that your previous statements had no backing reasoning..

And no Anthrax isn't wrong. For christs sake, you don't have to be high in the charts to be extremely popular. If the music is too explicit or too heavy it won't place. But in actuality they were more popular.. Especially during their rap-metal EP "I'm The Man" in 1987 which reeled them in a huge wave of popularity.

all your super intensive definitions don't change the fact that it's all more or less the same thing. give the average music fan a slayer mix with a song from every album and they would never classify it as varied. the fact is, they go in, write a riff, bang out a solo, and that's about it. they proved they could do it 20 years ago. we get it.

why would it satisfy you so much to hear me name some slayer songs? it's not that i couldn't name any slayer songs, it's that i didn't because that doesn't prove anything. any single person who doesn't know what they're talking about could come in here and name a few slayer songs. could that same person come in here and serve you your shit?

and what are the charts if not a measuring rod for popularity? especially in those days, a band that charted was obviously significantly more popular than a band who didn't. also, using an anthrax release from 1987 means shit all, seeing as how metallica had already released master of puppets by then and broken the genre wide open.

Something you mighta missed.. About how you're false accusation about how I was wrong... Meaning, you just made up a lie to make my arguement look bad, I lookde it up, found out you were wrong..

what exactly did i lie about? i said their chart positions doubled after master of puppets. well, looking at that image, that's exactly what they fucking did.

[relic]

why would it satisfy you so much to hear me name some slayer songs? it's not that i couldn't name any slayer songs, it's that i didn't because that doesn't prove anything. any single person who doesn't know what they're talking about could come in here and name a few slayer songs. could that same person come in here and serve you your shit?

he's right.