Jake Sinclair or Suzy Shinn need to produce the next Green Day album

[Guest]

2 hours ago, PluckyJokerhead said:

That would be our friend Butch Walker.

Well then perhaps they should go back to working with him. I like the sound of this song and also love what he did, as others mentioned, with 21CB. Obviously the band needs to choose who they think will help them with whatever vision they have for their next album, and maybe having him produce this song signals they want to work with him again. Like I said, MM2020 and even FOAM show Billie has a lot of deep stuff to say, and I hardly think they will do back-to-back "party albums." I really think this sound with some deep writing would make for one hell of an album.

[Montclare]

3 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

Well then perhaps they should go back to working with him. I like the sound of this song and also love what he did, as others mentioned, with 21CB. Obviously the band needs to choose who they think will help them with whatever vision they have for their next album, and maybe having him produce this song signals they want to work with him again. Like I said, MM2020 and even FOAM show Billie has a lot of deep stuff to say, and I hardly think they will do back-to-back "party albums." I really think this sound with some deep writing would make for one hell of an album.

Butch Walker was FOAM and HCTS.  Butch Vig was 21CB.  

[Guest]

Just now, Montclare said:

Butch Walker was FOAM and HCTS.  Butch Vig was 21CB.  

I am tired and there are entirely too many people named Butch in the world. 🤣

But at least this proves Butch Walker can do better than FOAM. So they are still in good hands.  

[Cunt]

If they work with Butch Walker again he will have them singing sea shanties for the sake of sounding relevant. 

[Slave To The Network]

5 hours ago, BillieMyLove said:

But at least this proves Butch Walker can do better than FOAM. So they are still in good hands.  

 

I would love another record from Butch Vig or Rob. Rob has worked with them long enough to know how to bring out their best and Vig also really pushed their sound and songwriting to the next level. I agree Walker is too much of a fanboy and a yes-man. I also do not care for the sound of FOAM. It's way too filtered and dirty. I like a bigger, cleaner sound like the Trilogy, AI, or 21CB.

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

I would say not trying as hard is understandable if Billie thinks he’d be pushing himself artistically at the expense of his health, but that’s not mutually exclusive with maintaining some quality control. I think Butch Walker did a good job with FOAM sonically, even though it’s somewhat too bubble gummy at times, but there are some songs that just didn’t need to be released at all. 

[þjáningu]

it's 100% butch walker again 

[greendepent]

I liked FOAM sonically. Recently I had the chance of listening my red vynil and I was astonished how different it sounded compared to the digital version! Butch Walker rocks

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Slave To The Network said:

 

I would love another record from Butch Vig or Rob. Rob has worked with them long enough to know how to bring out their best and Vig also really pushed their sound and songwriting to the next level. I agree Walker is too much of a fanboy and a yes-man. I also do not care for the sound of FOAM. It's way too filtered and dirty. I like a bigger, cleaner sound like the Trilogy, AI, or 21CB.

I am not sure "dirty" is the right word for FOAM, but I agree that it is way too filtered. There seems to be a lot of special effects in there that don't need to be there and get in the way of the music and lyrics. 

I respect the band for always trying new things. And when you try new things, not everything will be a hit (though I do like a lot of stuff on FOAM, especially the non-singles). But just think, if they never tried anything new, we never would have gotten AI. So I would rather have them try new things and do what speaks to them then try to just make what they think people want to hear.

I do agree on Rob though. What's he up to these days? Why did they stop working with him in the first place?

[That Dude]

I could make time in my schedule, maybe give them a Spring 2022 release.

I'm a man of the people and know what Green Day fans want.  FOAM and Trilogy sounds, but pushed waaaaaaay further.   More vocal effects and Butch Walker allowed to change anything he wants.  

Millenium whoa-oh-ohs. 

And a worse version of Here Comes the Shock.

[Christian's Inferno!]

I'm expecting them to stay with Butch Walker. For their next album, I'm just gonna expect another FOAM so that if it's better than FOAM, I'll be pleasantly surprised

[Miko]

3 hours ago, BillieMyLove said:

I do agree on Rob though. What's he up to these days? Why did they stop working with him in the first place?

Simple answer is that Trilogy flopped, Billie went to rehab and tour got cut short. For more complex and detailed answers you'd need someone else to answer to this, but my assumption is that Rob was the one who was responsible for the sound of the album, which was the biggest criticism Trilogy got. Reading Billie's more recent interviews, he's not happy about the production either so it would make sense that The Boys didn't want Rob Cavallo to produce any more Green Day albums going forward. However, since there is no known drama between them after Trilogy came out, it might be just as simple as Rob being too busy and Green Day wanting to do something new with different producers.

Regarding what's he up these days, he's still producing albums as far as I know.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Miko said:

Simple answer is that Trilogy flopped, Billie went to rehab and tour got cut short. For more complex and detailed answers you'd need someone else to answer to this, but my assumption is that Rob was the one who was responsible for the sound of the album, which was the biggest criticism Trilogy got. Reading Billie's more recent interviews, he's not happy about the production either so it would make sense that The Boys didn't want Rob Cavallo to produce any more Green Day albums going forward. However, since there is no known drama between them after Trilogy came out, it might be just as simple as Rob being too busy and Green Day wanting to do something new with different producers.

Regarding what's he up these days, he's still producing albums as far as I know.

I still don't even get why the trilogy flopped; it has a lot of good songs and the production is not bad (better than FOAM). I think just when you try to crank out that much material in one year quality is going to suffer here and there. Billie has talked about how he was just writing anything and even writing stuff basically as he was recording it just to produce anything and then he regretted that. 

[Gwen Stacy]

4 hours ago, BillieMyLove said:

I am not sure "dirty" is the right word for FOAM, but I agree that it is way too filtered. There seems to be a lot of special effects in there that don't need to be there and get in the way of the music and lyrics.

Butch Walker gave us robot beatboxing in a Green Day song, which was something I never knew I never wanted until I heard it. I don't like Nightlife as a song but I totally see what they were going for, Billie being so close to the Mystic Knights of the Cobra crew at that point. But I don't even know what they were aiming for with Oh Yeah! with a lot of the production choices. And it seems so unevenly applied, Fire Ready Aim sounds dry as a bone (probably not helping the car commercial vibe) and I'd argue is underproduced while Oh Yeah!, Junkies On A High, Stab You In The Heart, and even Graffitia all go the other direction. 

Meet Me On The Roof, Take the Money and Crawl, and Sugar Youth (although someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe Walker produced this track) fall somewhere in the sweet spot but that's like, a third of the record. Needless to say Father of All Motherfuckers is all over the place and I'll be more skeptical if they go back to Walker. My fantasy would be for them to hook up with Nigel Godrich but I don't see that happening any time soon.

2 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

I still don't even get why the trilogy flopped

Lack of an active band to promote it really hurt and I honestly think a trilogy of albums was too much to ask of non-fans. Oh Love being the lead single was also a bad choice IMO.

[Miko]

Just now, BillieMyLove said:

I still don't even get why the trilogy flopped; it has a lot of good songs and the production is not bad (better than FOAM). I think just when you try to crank out that much material in one year quality is going to suffer here and there. Billie has talked about how he was just writing anything and even writing stuff basically as he was recording it just to produce anything and then he regretted that. 

The biggest reason was the promotion; Billie went to rehab during the same week when Uno! came out. All of those albums came out with no band supporting them, so them flopping was inevitable. Even if GD was out there promoting the albums like crazy workhorses they were in 2012, major criticisms to production and Nightlife would've still happened and there was simply no chance in hell that Trilogy would've been major success.

On positive side, Oh Love charted really well and Uno! did pretty good sales because there was an actual band hyping ''ayyy we have three albums coming out!'' in fucking Angry Birds of all the places.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Gwen Stacy said:

Butch Walker gave us robot beatboxing in a Green Day song, which was something I never knew I never wanted until I heard it. I don't like Nightlife as a song but I totally see what they were going for, Billie being so close to the Mystic Knights of the Cobra crew at that point. But I don't even know what they were aiming for with Oh Yeah! with a lot of the production choices. And it seems so unevenly applied, Fire Ready Aim sounds dry as a bone (probably not helping the car commercial vibe) and I'd argue is underproduced while Oh Yeah!, Junkies On A High, Stab You In The Heart, and even Graffitia all go the other direction. 

Meet Me On The Roof, Take the Money and Crawl, and Sugar Youth (although someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe Walker produced this track) fall somewhere in the sweet spot but that's like, a third of the record. Needless to say Father of All Motherfuckers is all over the place and I'll be more skeptical if they go back to Walker. My fantasy would be for them to hook up with Nigel Godrich but I don't see that happening any time soon.

Lack of an active band to promote it really hurt and I honestly think a trilogy of albums was too much to ask of non-fans. Oh Love being the lead single was also a bad choice IMO.

I guess for me on FOAM, it's the weird vocal effects (especially in backing vocals), clap track, tambourine stuff, etc. It feels really out of place given that the underlying songs are still solid rock songs. I feel like the depth of those songs would really shine through better without that stuff. Like, Graffitia is a very deep and powerful song when you get into the lyrics, and yet I listen to it and all I hear is claps. That acoustic version of it that Billie did in his house was a million times better. 

Anyway, Here Comes The Shock is missing most of these effects (except for a little but of weird background vocals), so I hope this means things are moving in a different direction. Imagine songs written like Graffitia or Junkies on a High but that sound like Here Comes the Shock. That would be awesome.

Also, does anyone know who produced Rev Rad? That was stunning production.

[Gwen Stacy]

6 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

I guess for me on Like, Graffitia is a very deep and powerful song when you get into the lyrics, and yet I listen to it and all I hear is claps. That acoustic version of it that Billie did in his house was a million times better. 

Agreed. Still makes me giggle every time when he forgets the lyrics. 

7 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

Also, does anyone know who produced Rev Rad? That was stunning production

I believe the band self-produced that one.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Gwen Stacy said:

Agreed. Still makes me giggle every time when he forgets the lyrics. 

I believe the band self-produced that one.

Well, maybe then as someone else said, they need to go back to self-producing LOL.

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

I don’t think the trilogy would have been a hit if rehab didn’t happen. Obviously, it tanked commercially because of no promotion, but it still wasn’t that great.

[pacejunkie punk]

Just now, Beerjeezus said:

I don’t think the trilogy would have been a hit if rehab didn’t happen. Obviously, it tanked commercially because of no promotion, but it still wasn’t that great.

I think popular music was also changing at that time and they weren't following the trend.  Power pop wasn't successful even in it's heyday.  Billie once called power pop the best music that no one listens to.  He's right, but that explains a lot.

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

5 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I think popular music was also changing at that time and they weren't following the trend.  Power pop wasn't successful even in it's heyday.  Billie once called power pop the best music that no one listens to.  He's right, but that explains a lot.

That too. Oh Love got a lot of airplay on the grounds of being a new Green Day single after their super successful streak, but it was nothing like anything that was currently popular... they were bound to lose their spotlight as they’d release more and more singles in a similar vein. That said, commercial success isn’t what matters and I’ll much rather listen to the trilogy than top 40 pop rock of its era (this was the time when coldplay ft. pop singer became a thing and since then this been how bands stay relevant in the mainstream).

[Little Boy Named Booze]

We're in 2004. We got the single American Idiot followed by BOBD, JoS and Holiday . A fucking masterpiece album.
Then in 2009, Green Day released the single Know Your Enemy followed by 21 Guns, East Jesus Nowhere and 21stCB. Different sound, but DAMN this album is another fucking masterpiece.

And theeeeeeeen we're in April 2012. Green Day announced a fucking TRILOGY album. The hype is big because their last 2 albums was amazing. 
What do we got during the summer of 2012? Oh Love (with a bunch of Playboy girls)... followed by Kill The DJ... and Let Yourself Go. A big disappointment. But hey it's a Trilogy album. Let give them a chance with iDos! and iTré!

We all know what happened for iDos!. Billie playing Fuck Time during iHeart and the only single from this album was Stray Heart... an okay song. Forgettable.

Last chance with iTré!. We learnt that ''The Forgotten'' will be in Twilight. Yeah! Not. 
99 Revolutions will be in the credit for the movie The Campaign. Yeah! Not.
X-Kid is release. Thanks God this song is good tho. But worst fucking clip ever.

Overall that was the worst promotion ever. The worst singles ever. The worst times in the life of the band member ever to release a project like this.
My point of view.

[legendary]

2 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

 

No

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

2 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

 

Yes

[龑美優]

2 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

 

...maybe?!?!