21st_century_gloria Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, TimmyChunks said: Recently, I even heard one of them describe a past story as “well, that was when he was drinking”. As in, the period of time when he was getting blasted and mixing with other drugs. When/who was that?
TimmyChunks Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, 21st_century_gloria said: When/who was that? Post Malone. Just kidding. I won’t say, and normally wouldn’t share except I think it provides good context and hopefully some comfort.
21st_century_gloria Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, TimmyChunks said: Post Malone. Just kidding. I won’t say, and normally wouldn’t share except I think it provides good context and hopefully some comfort. That's fine that you don't want to say I can understand that 👍 and it's good to know that people do have an eye out for him 💖 ...Lmao I was like Post Malone? Didn't he just meet Post Malone?
Little Boy Named Booze Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 BJA is doing fine. He's okay. Enjoy this FOAM era and dance!
21st_century_gloria Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, stories and songs said: For reals, what the fuck. When I heard Billie reflect on that line with “yeah it scared me a little and it scared people around me too” I was like “WELLL THEN WHY R U ACTING LIKE THIS.” Yknow, I just thought of the line from I Was a Teenage Teenager: "I don't want to freak you out/ But I cannot lie"
Red Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 4 hours ago, stories and songs said: I suppose I can’t help but be a little bummed that Mike is allowing this. I’ve always looked at him as such a solid dude who is definitely the most together and mature of the three of them. I hoped if this happened he wouldn’t just sit there and let Billie say this stuff. But ya know, it’s ultimately not his decision what Billie does. I've noticed in a lot of interviews Mike seems to be stepping in a lot more lately than usual, I think he's a pretty caring dude and he has spent most of his life standing next to Billie. The optimist in me wants to believe he's helping Billie keep it under control, but then again, last time still happened. 2 hours ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said: BJA is doing fine. He's okay. Enjoy this FOAM era and dance! I want to agree with you, but this all just seems to familiar. People were saying stuff just like this during the Trilogy era. The best way to stop a situation from repeating itself is to keep it under control well in advance, or else there will be a time when it's just too late.
Beyza Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 4 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: He has also admitted using alcohol to treat stage anxiety too which is common for artists. I think it’s the most dangerous part of his problem cause it becomes a habit and couldn't know how to come on the stage without alcohol and also while touring it starts to happen constantly. I remember he said learned how to overcome this. He already managed to do for five years so now he should continue to not drink before the gigs even if he’ll continue after in public places etc. He said also more recently he can drink and enjoy after the shows or something, it’s not good too if it becomes a habit but if he manages to keep it occasional as he said like some beers or a glass of wine with friends now and then can stay fine IMHO
DookieLukie Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 People on hear could hear from God that Billie is just fine and they will still judge and criticize his personal life.
Red Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, DookieLukie said: People on hear could hear from God that Billie is just fine and they will still judge and criticize his personal life. I respect your opinion on a lot of things, but you may as well be saying that humans shouldn't be allowed to give a shit about something bad happening to people they care about. It would be a bit different if what happened didn't happen, but like it or not there are going to be some people that are worried.
Beyza Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 32 minutes ago, DookieLukie said: People on hear could hear from God that Billie is just fine and they will still judge and criticize his personal life. The conversion here doesn't contain judging or criticizing someone’s personal life. It’s based on the things he shared in public and just an appreciation of the situation but I feel like he is fine and not worrying or anything for now. Yeah and I think we can’t still be sure about anything anyway so this whole thing could be seen pointless but still people could share his feelings, thoughts.
The Bellie Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 8:40 AM, RisingRedWolf said: and there is without doubt people that can drink as much as they want and handle it very well I admit I'm in this case I can drink more or less, I don't have it bad, and I've never been hungover. I've known other shit that has been really, really bad on my health. I perfectly know what addiction is, and the mechanisms really isn't any different whether it's alcohol or something else. Except that, addictions can sometime save lives. It can sometimes be the thing that you need at a specific time to stay alive. I'm not glorifying it, but it often has several sides to it and not only the negative one. Mine has definitely saved me. Not directly in a physical way, but perhaps even in that way on the long run because it allowed me to find myself and stay alive, in all ways. Billie during RevRad was what got me out of addiction, pretty fast. Still Breathing especially. Back to alcohol, in my case, it's not a problem. which doesn't mean I assume that it isn't for Billie either. But we don't know, in real, if he isn't just fine (I mean fine in a relative way) too with alcohol only. I mean, sure, he gets drunk. But maybe he can live with getting drunk here and there and drinking regularly. Maybe it isn't incompatible with him living and living as well as he could. Maybe he's not referring to those pills in 2012 for nothing. Maybe it's really the combo of the two that got him downhill back then. Having been through a long, painful but also life-saving addiction as paradoxical as it may seem, may make me "tolerant" about it for others, as I know they can be carrying so many different things for each addict. I know every person does as they can, and I know it doesn't prevent you from living, and that's the field where you have some freedom of decision. For me, even without talking of addictions, I now I'll never live a healthy life, I'm not even seeking too, and I will always be very screwed in some way. It's how I am, without a choice, and it doesn't mean I should stop living, on the contrary. Being like that is sometimes what makes you live more intensely. I wish, but I can't expect at all cost Billie to be perfectly healthy as I would want him to, he does like he can, and from what I've kept seeing throughout the foam era, nothing has made me worry that he's not taking care of himself. Him being drunk here and there is not a motive to alarm me as such. The whole picture is reassuring for me. On 2/8/2020 at 8:40 AM, RisingRedWolf said: I respect your decision to agree with them, but laughing at and encouraging someone to drink more because they are more "fun" and "hilarious" when they do is a pretty shitty thing to do to someone who has a problem in my opinion. Green Day seem to give more of a shit about what they are doing when Billie is sober, and I prefer them live like this too. When I was speaking of "show-friendly", I didn't mean to laugh or encourage him drinking at all. I rather meant: he himself, openly saying he isn't sober, seems to be also using the presence alcohol to make it, even only in appearance (the rockstar cliché, yes) contribute to the show. Like he's trying to get something positive out of it since he doesn't have a choice, as an addict. But I prefer when he doesn't drink, as much for his health, as for the show performance which doesn't need it. I do believe (with no evidence but just my belief) he wasn't really sober during RevRad, but during the very shows, he really seemed to be sober. And it didn't prevent him from giving the best Green Day performances to date in my opinion. Voice, rage and energy of a god. And the ostensible happiness as well. I just want to say there are several foam shows where he seemed sober too. The Seville one for instance. It was Rev Rad like as for the vibes and the look on his face. But, even as he was apparently sober during RevRad shows, he still tackled the drinking subject in the same light-hearted and de-demonizing way as today. Saying, with a big smile on his face: "everybody is going to get drunk and throw up all over each other" during a show. I think this is the same type of self-derision and positiveness that leads him to say that when he watches iHeart now, he laughs. Maybe he doesn't literally laugh. But he's taken distance with it and I feel it like a good thing. Some people see him saying that as a sign of denial, I see it on the contrary as a good sign. I'm not trying hard to, it's really my perception. Perhaps because of my own story. I've been though terrible states but you'll never hear me make a drama out of it. Others are the ones who make a drama out of it, speaking in my place. It wasn't funny but it was what it was, and if I were to fall in it again I wouldn't make a big deal about it, and it would be the healthier way. My addiction also somehow led me to Billie in a deeper way than if I had had never gotten all those issues. I'm the person that I am after going through that. The Billie who wrote Still Breathing and Forever Now is the same who now has taken a different attitude with his iHeart breakdown. I hadn't even read the interview before making my first post in here but to me, when he says (approximately): "I had to learn to be independent, and I did" it clearly means that he wants to assume having this addiction, which also means he wants to be responsible of himself having it. Perhaps it may seem phony to people, for me it doesn't. My addiction ceased to be when I stopped caring about it, when I stopped allowing people to speak in my place about what it was for me. No one, not even his closest loved ones, can affect what his addiction is for him, and what he does about it. I don't even believe anyone can watch over him. It's all up to him. As an addict, you're loose and do what you can. The fact he is open about it, while seeming very mostly well in interviews and shows, is reassuring to me. I like how he speaks of him at the 2012 iHeart. Remember how he was self-derisional to this old him at the 2019 Foam iHeart performance. That's probably what he means when laughing about it. He didn't spit on himself, he rather acknowledged his past self, and it overall felt very different than before. It felt healthy. And it all showed that he is very conscious of all of it anyway. I don't see any bit of denial in his attitude. Maybe he can perfectly live (and he ought to live despite his addiction, that's what he shows and that reassures me), and if one day his addiction interferes with his freedom again, then he'll be able to do what he has to do about it, like he's done before. That's what I firmly believe, that leads me not to "worry". On 2/8/2020 at 10:10 AM, 21st_century_gloria said: imo this is why I hate it when people meme the incident and hype it up and make it sound as glorious as woodstock '94 or something. Maybe that's these people way of dealing with their own worry and unease about it. I can understand that 17 hours ago, solongfromthestars said: That said, it will be hard for me to ever get into this era. The ~sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll~ marketing is cringeworthy regardless, but more so considering Billie's history and how dark and unsettling the new lyrics about his issues actually are. It's what people want though. Not so much on GDC, but I've seen so many people complaining that Billie is a worse performer sober. Having seen him live 60+ times I disagree. He was notably sober at most of my favourite shows, one of which (Emirates) was also his favourite show. The only times I've noticed negative differences are when he's been drunk after trying to get sober. I do hope Billie (and all of them) agrees with this marketing, as maybe he wants to tackle his demons as a way of refusing to let worry take over himself. Again, I wholly agree on how he's better performing sober! 11 hours ago, stories and songs said: I was honestly speechless and so wildly angry when I read this interview. To so flippantly say he “bummed some people out” and cancelled some tour dates is just...astonishing to me. This whole situation, and how people were affected by it, is documented. My main memory is that Mike was extremely, extremely concerned and angry that things escalated how they did, that Tre was scared, and that Billie was very literally near death. He shouldn’t laugh at the iHeart incident. I was nowhere near bothered by this interview. He's saying things from his point of view, at least current. When addiction is back again, him getting overly concerned again for himself probably wouldn't help. He has been taking care of himself that's what he's said, and it leads him, not to drop if off all of a sudden and being irresponsible again, but to do everything he does with the experience of being self-responsible to back him. Mike and Tré may also have moved on from what their reactions were at that time. It's normal and, if anything, positive to move on. It doesn't necessarily mean denial or unhealthiness 5 hours ago, 21st_century_gloria said: Honestly I have a lot of personal baggage attached to this and therefore don't want to say too much concerning this so I'm just gonna say that tbh I do understand why in a manner of sorts from one perspective (my own, I'm definitely not trying to say I know what BJA is going through) ... I'll say it like this: sometimes people try to put up a brash cold front and be like "I'm fine, Lol, let's go crazy!" but they are dying inside and as much as they are trying to ignore it or make sure that people aren't worried about them, they really want to get out how they are feeling in some way. Someone saying "I just want to be numb and walk off a cliff" may shock themselves because of the general red-flag nature of the statement being spoken aloud and reacted to if you know what I mean is jarring for anyone, even the speaker, because it becomes more than just a thought. It'll be against my better judgement to post this. I don't know why I am or if this contributes to anything in any way. I totally understand what they're saying but I feel that Billie is not in that state of mind now. Publicly and his lyrics, he doesn't say he's fine, he says his life is a mess, he says he's drinking, etc. He's not trying to hide anything, he rather throws everything in our face. Not in a way of calling for help which he wouldn't be expressing publicly. In a way to say: "this is how I am and ho my life is. But my smile is on and I'm living my life fully." That's how I feel it anyway.
solongfromthestars Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 This discussion has been very respectful and for the most part has only mentioned public information. If people don't like it they don't have to read it. However, I think we should leave inside info out of it. Unless one of us is personally a close friend of Billie's, who sees him privately on a regular basis, what we hear as fans isn't necessarily truth. What I've heard is very different to what others in this thread have heard, which in no way means it's more accurate, but it shows it's subjective rather than fact. Sorry, I really don't want to come across as rude or critical, because I know no one means any disrespect and I don't think anyone has been invasive. We should stick to public info though. No one has criticised Billie's personal life. Public information is being discussed in a way that isn't at all critical. No one would claim that if we were discussing a neighbour or classmate we'd only met once, but were concerned about as human beings. As for panicking every time Billie's seen with a beer, we're not discussing a photo of him with a beer, or someone without addiction issues drinking - we're discussing someone who's stated he's an alcoholic dismissing his drinking in a way that's rarely a good sign. We're not saying it definitely indicates ill health, but concern at this point isn't unreasonable. It doesn't take analysis to see it - it's right there. Alcoholism isn't about someone occasionally binge drinking. People who can drink healthily (excluding the supposed minority who can return to drinking) aren't alcoholics. Misconceptions come up every time this is discussed, so Billie aside, I'm going to leave some resources here in case anyone wants to learn more about alcoholism: How Alcoholism Can Kill You Can Alcoholism Kill You? Why Alcohol Is the Deadliest Drug Here's What It's Like To Be An Alcoholic Behind the Numbers: Alcohol is Killing More People Than the Opioid Epidemic ‘I had everything a human being could ever ask for, but I felt utterly alone’: I was a physician dying of alcoholism and this is my story My Story of Alcoholism and the Hell It Took to Become Aware Loving an alcoholic My True Story of Alcoholism, Addiction and the Choice to Live How a helpful neighbour set this alcoholic on the road to recovery Hear inspiring stories of people overcoming their dependence on alcohol Alcohol Kills 1 Person Every 10 Seconds Real Stories: Alcohol became more important to me than anything and anybody I Tried to Blame Everyone and Everything 'Going to work drunk every day' The High Functioning Alcoholic My battle with booze - an alcoholic tells his grim story as a warning to all drinkers When "Taking the Edge Off" Becomes Full-Blown Alcoholism
Little Boy Named Booze Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 7 hours ago, RisingRedWolf said: I want to agree with you, but this all just seems to familiar. People were saying stuff just like this during the Trilogy era. The best way to stop a situation from repeating itself is to keep it under control well in advance, or else there will be a time when it's just too late. So if Billie isn't doing well what are you gonna do? Tell him? Help him?
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said: So if Billie isn't doing well what are you gonna do? Tell him? Help him? Nothing.
Guest Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said: So if Billie isn't doing well what are you gonna do? Tell him? Help him? That's the point. We can't do anything in this case.
Little Boy Named Booze Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 That's my point too. You guys are bothering too much.
greendepent Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 I think that BJ is doing fine. He seems uneasy at times, because he has some struggles, but more artistic or social based than fully personal or midlife crisis related problems. Most of the lyrics of FOAM leads me to think that he is dealing with the lost of hope on society and how certain events have turned on. Is not looking for "fun" just because he feels that he is going old and crashing to a wall. He is looking for fun, because is the only thing that is left to do in a world that is dying and there's no escape. While looking to the lyrical aspect, the artistical decisions that come into place feel natural. I know and Billie knows that trilogy was a failure, but he look that set of songs with the eyes of a father that sees his favorite son. Something like "I wrote 37 songs that nobody gives a shit" doesn't come from nowhere. His artistic side is looking for revenge. That sums very well on "Take the money and crawl". Do you believe that is a hit to Warner? Think again. Peace
EmmaCharlatan&Saints Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 14 hours ago, solongfromthestars said: For me it's not what he's saying, it's just worrying it's denial because that's not a good place for any addict to be in. If I hadn't seen anything concerning in person, or if I'd only seen that and not what he's said, I wouldn't be that bothered. The two together are a potentially concerning picture though and I just hope, as I would for any addict, that he's alright. If I'm wrong, which I hope I am, that's great. I really would understand if (in general terms, not pretending to know Billie feels this way) any famous, struggling addict didn't want to publicly say "yeah, I'm still meant to be sober," especially if they're not in a place where they feel they can stop any time soon. Otherwise there'd be sympathy and speculation every time they're seen with a drink and Billie himself was clear in 2013 he wanted no sympathy. If I were in that position, I'd probably brush it off with "I'm past that now" too. Not to mention it appears to actually be part of the promo right now, which is... questionable, but I don't blame the band for that. can I ask what you saw in person? (if you want to say that is)
Hermione Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, greendepent said: Most of the lyrics of FOAM leads me to think that he is dealing with the lost of hope on society and how certain events have turned on. Is not looking for "fun" just because he feels that he is going old and crashing to a wall. He is looking for fun, because is the only thing that is left to do in a world that is dying and there's no escape. I don't know how much it is or isn't a reflection of Billie's real life, but this is how I interpret the album too. It seems to be more about the desire to escape the bullshit going on in the world and giving it the middle finger by choosing to party through it rather than just despair than about literal partying.
Lenny Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, desertrose said: Billie Joe hasn't been the same since his 40th birthday. I haven't ever said that here or anywhere before cause I have so much respect for the guy and I hate to have to say it. He just seems lost through it all. I thought Rev Rad was somewhat off politically at times but I respected his more philosophical approach to the situation he was commenting on. I will say this era seems a bit more spot on when he talks about it but there's still moments with him that still show he's somewhat lost in his aging. In the late 90's and early 2000's I think just looking at the band dynamic it seemed that Billie had matured beyond Mike and Tre in the songwriting and approach. Fast forward to now and it seems Tre and Mike have matured past Billie. There's something going on his head imo. Not entirely uncommon for someone in his position. Cobain couldn't handle the pressures of the career at 27.
pacejunkie punk Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sheenius said: Billie Joe hasn't been the same since his 40th birthday. I haven't ever said that here or anywhere before cause I have so much respect for the guy and I hate to have to say it. He just seems lost through it all. I thought Rev Rad was somewhat off politically at times but I respected his more philosophical approach to the situation he was commenting on. I will say this era seems a bit more spot on when he talks about it but there's still moments with him that still show he's somewhat lost in his aging. In the late 90's and early 2000's I think just looking at the band dynamic it seemed that Billie had matured beyond Mike and Tre in the songwriting and approach. Fast forward to now and it seems Tre and Mike have matured past Billie. There's something going on his head imo. Not entirely uncommon for someone in his position. Cobain couldn't handle the pressures of the career at 27. Interesting insight and I think you’re right. Speaking from direct experience, my husband’s father died unexpectedly in his fifties and as he himself neared that age he found it psychologically hard to deal with — would always say things like if I just make it past that age, etc. My personal feeling is that Billie has similar deep existential fears the closer he gets to the age that his father passed and that things may come to a head in the near future for that reason.
Lenny Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said: Interesting insight and I think you’re right. Speaking from direct experience, my husband’s father died unexpectedly in his fifties and as he himself neared that age he found it psychologically hard to deal with — would always say things like if I just make it past that age, etc. My personal feeling is that Billie has similar deep existential fears the closer he gets to the age that his father passed and that things may come to a head in the near future for that reason. yeah and anyone with aging parents will understand this. My parents are just arriving and there's things they're doing that make me go like "wtf? Then I realize oh well like I'm almost 30 now myself... ok things have really flown by". I hope Billie can just find himself cause this has hurt the band's performance in the past and recent past. Growing up being a musician and specifically a singer/guitarist in a band I always had Billie there as an outspoken guide for me. I feel like after 21cb I lost that. Watch those early trilogy TV performances. Sorry but I feel he was a weak link. The band was great and he let them down. Several times during Rev Rad they let me down on the performance side. TBH, I hate to admit it but I just stopped tuning into stuff. I LOVE the band but they had set such a high standard before it was painful to watch at times. I went to a Rev Rad show when they finally came to my city during the second leg and it's the worst GD show I've ever seen. It came out later on GDC that they were sick. My girlfriend at the time said she thought it was an 8/10 and honestly me being the fan I would have rated it a 5 or 6. I thought nothing of it when I found out they were sick but then I went back to listen to other shows/performances and honestly the arrangements of the song and performances weren't much better when they were healthy. Come to September this year and they made it exciting to tune in again and I was super excited for the tour. The most recent performances just happen and fuck he sounds worse than Rev Rad or even the Trilogy... You were in top form literally a few months ago wtf man. I'm not saying he's drinking or has an issue or whatever all I'm saying is get your fucking shit together. You raised the bar so high in September. Focus on maintaining that quality. I hope they were just having fun for the record release but still you're performing it's business. Be pro.
21st_century_gloria Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 10 hours ago, The Bellie said: He's not trying to hide anything, he rather throws everything in our face. Not in a way of calling for help which he wouldn't be expressing publicly. In a way to say: "this is how I am and how my life is. But my smile is on and I'm living my life fully." That's how I feel it anyway. Yeah I get that, 👍 tbh that's what I meant to a very slight degree I guess, what I was trying to articulate wasn't really that people continue to hide their demons, it's more like they've hid them in the past, and they now feel the need to normalize those kind of thoughts/feelings into everyone else's minds, while trying to live it up at the same time to show everyone that there's nothing wrong, maybe so they won't pry or worry (lmao that seems to be working, cue in the sarcasm) or maybe to convince themselves that they're fine. In my personal experience it's all about validation and denial, simultaneously but again, obviously that's just me talking about myself and I can't claim to know what BJ's dealing with or even try to guess anything. I guess even for me to assume that some parts of this speculation "hit close to home" is pretentious as nobody but him/them know what's actually up. Can't assume. I know I have no right to. Just concerned. *shrugs*
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 I don't think it's that deep with the performances, he wasn't well for the trilogy shows, then later with revrad, I the performances were great except for occasional hoarse voice, then last year they were superb. Who knows what's causing the vocal troubles, but if I was to guess I'd say they might more likely happen due to asthma or vocal technique than deep existential fear.
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