Clockwise Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 I don't really think the promo of this album is glorifying the rock n' roll lifestyle very much tbh.
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, stories and songs said: I get what you’re saying. As a friend, I sympathize with the bad position they’re in – addressing the issue with the addict means you risk them alienating you and further isolating themselves. I’ve recently been through it with a friend who I’ve sadly had to take a step back from because she wouldn’t listen to me, and there wasn’t much more I could do than express my concerns and back off so she’d stop hurting me with her behavior. That said, as business partners, they DO have a say. They can say “we think the marketing of this album sends the wrong message and we don’t want to glorify drinking and drugs.” They can say “we’re not going to perform with Billie if he gets shitfaced, because he’s no longer in control at that point and we don’t want him to go down a dark path again.” Etc. I suppose I can’t help but be a little bummed that Mike is allowing this. I’ve always looked at him as such a solid dude who is definitely the most together and mature of the three of them. I hoped if this happened he wouldn’t just sit there and let Billie say this stuff. But ya know, it’s ultimately not his decision what Billie does. Yeah of course it's not up to anyone else. I'm not blaming anybody, but at the same time I hope the guys know where to draw the line.
21st_century_gloria Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Clockwise said: I don't really think the promo of this album is glorifying the rock n' roll lifestyle very much tbh. What promo? There's barely any Seriously, even with the recent influx of press and interviews or whatever, I still feel like the promotion of the new album has been minimal.
DookieLukie Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 I thought I was on Green Day Community, not Psychologist Community. You do realize someone can market an album a certain way without engaging in destructive behavior, right? As a musician myself, I've written about stuff I'd never do in real life. It's called fantasy. Many people with addiction use humor as a way to cope with heavy topics. I'd imagine Billie is very embarrassed about iHeart and probably makes light of it in interviews because he's trying to promote an album, not write a memoir. I trust Billie's family and friends, all of whom got him into rehab last time, to know more about the situation than people on an internet forum. To me, it feels like people don't like the new sound and the image for the album and are passing judgments and making up rumors because of this.
21st_century_gloria Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, DookieLukie said: To me, it feels like people don't like the new sound and the image for the album and are passing judgments and making up rumors because of this. I like the new album 🤷♀️
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 Well, the only criticism I ever raised about the album is that it's too short. So obviously I'm taking revenge until they give us the 7 b-sides
21st_century_gloria Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, Beerjeezus said: Well, the only criticism I ever raised about the album is that it's too short. So obviously I'm taking revenge until they give us the 7 b-sides What, we're just gonna ignore every criticism from before its release? Ps: do you still think Magnum Opus is better?
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, 21st_century_gloria said: What, we're just gonna ignore every criticism from before its release? Ps: do you still think Magnum Opus is better? This IS the Magnum Opus.
21st_century_gloria Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: This IS the Magnum Opus. Nah, "magnum opus" by definition refers to the greatest work produced by the artist.
Lenny Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, 21st_century_gloria said: Nah, "magnum opus" by definition refers to the greatest work produced by the artist. My last bender was a magnum opus
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, 21st_century_gloria said: Nah, "magnum opus" by definition refers to the greatest work produced by the artist. To which I say "and what about it?" like I'm Ariana Grande. 2 minutes ago, Sheenius said: My last bender was a magnum opus ...of the inglorious kind
MillenniumFan Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 The precedent in terms of Billie's drinking isn't good and you guys all make some very good points about the whole situation. As a result, part of me is definitely worried and completely understands the arguments put forward as to why I should be. But then I also think: what's the point? If it's true, what can I do about it? Should this ruin at least some of the things I like about this era (despite this not being my favourite by a long mile)? In some way I also find this whole discussion a little bit disrespectful to Mike, Tre or anyone else around Billie really, because we can make it seems as if they weren't aware of his issues or didn't matter in any of this. As if we needed to take care of Billie, because he can't himself and nobody around him can either. Well, they absolutely do matter, and while they couldn't prevent what happened in 2012, they still learnt from it and so did Billie I'm sure. Well, we don't know, we can't read his mind. My point is, there's definitely something very beautiful about the human aspect of people showing compassion to strangers, but at the same time, I think we should try to take a step back and acknowledge the fact that as much as we love Green Day (and they mean a lot to me personally), at the end of the day we're still complete strangers to them (well most of us are) and, to be honest, they're also strangers to us to. That doesn't mean we shouldn't care or can't express our worries, but we should acknowledge that dynamic...
Lenny Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Beerjeezus said: To which I say "and what about it?" like I'm Ariana Grande. ...of the inglorious kind It was actually pretty glorious. People were pissed off and fighting me and I literally was like in the process of blacking out hahaha Rock n roll tragedy i was the next one not Billie
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said: The precedent in terms of Billie's drinking isn't good and you guys all make some very good points about the whole situation. As a result, part of me is definitely worried and completely understands the arguments put forward as to why I should be. But then I also think: what's the point? If it's true, what can I do about it? Should this ruin at least some of the things I like about this era (despite this not being my favourite by a long mile)? In some way I also find this whole discussion a little bit disrespectful to Mike, Tre or anyone else around Billie really, because we can make it seems as if they weren't aware of his issues or didn't matter in any of this. They absolutely do matter, and while they couldn't prevent what happened in 2012, they still learnt from it and so did Billie I'm sure. Well, we don't know, we can't read his mind. My point is, there's definitely something very beautiful about the human aspect of people showing compassion to strangers, but at the same time, I think we should try to take a step back and acknowledge the fact that as much as we love Green Day (and they mean a lot to me personally), at the end of the day we're still complete strangers to them (well most of us are) and, to be honest, they're also strangers to us to. That doesn't mean we shouldn't care or can't express our worries, but we should acknowledge that dynamic... Absolutely. I think we all realize that this isn't our business, that we aren't involved in any real way and most importantly, that we can't do anything - and also shouldn't try to - I hope we're all sensible enough to leave them alone. I don't want to ruin the fun for myself or anybody else, but since the topic came up, I would be lying if I claimed I don't care.
stories and songs Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 I think (or at least, I hope) we’re all coming from a good place and trying not to speak about anything beyond what has been made public and shared by the band themselves. I also think we’re taking into account that we don’t know Billie’s personal/medical information, or know what his family and friends have or haven’t done. I think it has been a very respectful, thoughtful conversation and I, for one, really appreciate that we’re just voicing our concerns, even if we ultimately can’t do anything about it. Sometimes it’s just nice to be able to vent and feel a little comfort that you’re not alone in noticing something could be off. Perhaps everything is fine and dandy and all this concern is for nothing. That would be great. But I’m really grateful that we’ve been able to talk about this.
Squashie Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 While I am disappointed he’s drinking again, I will say that he looks healthy and not strung out like before in all of the promo photos and interviews. The GD performances that have taken place so far (excluding the coverups & Longshot one-offs) he’s looked fine to me and I haven’t seen alcohol on the stage - just water. I love the new record. It’s fun, catchy and the lyrics are good. Just my 2 cents...
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 It's not really possible to make guesses. Look at him in quatro. You wouldn't tell and that was just a couple months before the strung out phase. I'm not saying that will happen again, just that idk, we can't know.
Lenny Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, DadBod said: While I am disappointed he’s drinking again, I will say that he looks healthy and not strung out like before in all of the promo photos and interviews. The GD performances that have taken place so far (excluding the coverups & Longshot one-offs) he’s looked fine to me and I haven’t seen alcohol on the stage - just water. I love the new record. It’s fun, catchy and the lyrics are good. Just my 2 cents... I agree with you. I think they were just having a good time with the release of the album. Sometimes you get comfortable and slip. It just happened to me this week. It started with ehh I'll have one, well then I'll have another and then well... I think people are concerned that it becomes what it was before. There's always that potential. I mean I surprised myself. I'm good right now but literally every time I walk to a different part of the house I'm finding empties I didn't know were there. It just takes one moment to fuck up. But he's got a whole crew looking out for him and I think he's just having fun. I have a strong feeling Hella Mega will be more disciplined and focused. Not saying they won't spend some nights out but it's going to be controlled for the sake of quality assurance.
21st_century_gloria Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: To which I say "and what about it?" like I'm Ariana Grande. To which I reply "Don't patronize me/ With your weaponized polyester angel wings"
Squashie Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: It's not really possible to make guesses. Look at him in quatro. You wouldn't tell and that was just a couple months before the strung out phase. I'm not saying that will happen again, just that idk, we can't know. True. The photos were seeing were shot back in sept. He looks the same today. And yes, it could absolutely turn in a second and I’m in no way condoning his drinking. I’m just stating that from the current appearances he appears to be healthy. the photos from the trilogy show a strung out man who was spriraling. Interviews as well. I haven’t picked up on that this round.
Lenny Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, DadBod said: True. The photos were seeing were shot back in sept. He looks the same today. And yes, it could absolutely turn in a second and I’m in no way condoning his drinking. I’m just stating that from the current appearances he appears to be healthy. I think he's ok. Fucking guy looks better than I do today.
21st_century_gloria Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 All things aside, the pictures from this interview are amazing 💖
The_real_st_jimmy Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 I agree he doesn't look like he did in the Trilogy I feel like he has it under control(I hope it stays that way) because during Trilogy and interviews of that time you could see it in his eyes... it was heartbreaking😔 he looks healthy today though and not like 2012 thank God
TimmyChunks Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 His family and friends (and yes, Billie himself) are well aware of the history with substance abuse and it’s downsides. Recently, I even heard one of them describe a past story as “well, that was when he was drinking”. As in, the period of time when he was getting blasted and mixing with other drugs. If I had to guess, I think they’re all distinguishing from problem drinking (pre- iHeart) and current drinking (seemingly under control and no pills, and based on what I’ve seen, no hard alcohol). Some would argue that any drinking is a problem, but they may disagree and I’m not qualified to argue otherwise in his specific instance. Only family, close friends, and his medical professionals can make that call. I don’t claim to know more than anyone else about his or really anyone’s recovery from the darkness of substance abuse. But from what little I know, he does have a watchful and supportive inner circle, and I’m sure they have absolutely share some of the thoughts everyone’s expressing on here. Like I said, far be it from me to know and promise you all that the future will be just fine, and not to worry or be concerned. But, I will say, I do know that it’s not like his inner team seems to be the type to enable to encourage complete recklessness after the wake up call at iHeart and the progress made afterward. I know these issues are very concerning, but I am comforted by the fact that I think he has the right support group around him, which from what little I know about substance abuse is huge when managing these issues. I for one will remain cautiously optimistic- and not dwell on it- since I’m not in control of the situation and I trust that the ones that are in control have much more at stake than any of us fans and will manage things accordingly.
Squashie Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, The_real_st_jimmy said: I agree he doesn't look like he did in the Trilogy I feel like he has it under control(I hope it stays that way) because during Trilogy and interviews of that time you could see it in his eyes... it was heartbreaking😔 he looks healthy today though and not like 2012 thank God Wasn’t just his eyes. The man couldn’t string together a coherent thought 90% of the time.
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