Magnum Opus Of The Inglorious Kind - confirmed NOT to be Green Day

[GDFan2019]

3 minutes ago, 21st_century_gloria said:

I agree. If there is something coming along after FOAM, (I'm pretty much convinced there's some sort of surprise involved) well, these guys must also be going insane trying to figure out who leaked the stuff if it wasn't on purpose. 

By the way. I just thought of something. Let's say that this was faked by trolls, These guys (whoever made the doback/tad leaks) went through the whole effort to rent a studio and have fake MOTIK albums on hand to strategically place on the table while those ladies are singing opera, risking possible legal trouble, and edited audio from green day/panicland in the background, etc, etc, it just seems way too elaborate? Like, even if these are rich trolls with huge budgets, why waste that time/money to mislead a handful green day fans?

The only thing that doesn't add up is the interspersed stuff that BJA said when he met panicland. Why on earth is that spliced in? If it's a troll effort, it ruins it completely by giving it some debunkability. Why on Earth is that there? If the true answer that question is made known, it might make or break the entire theory.

Wayyyy too much effort made on this one. Part of it has to be real if not all of it.

One day I'll say something credible but for now, eat this bratwurst brain stew of my speculation that you probably already speculated yourself. Sorry if this is too redundant for gdc guidelines 😅

I still think it wasn’t spliced in, but someone was watching the video on their phone in the studio

[21st_century_gloria]

20 minutes ago, Redundantuserjinxboy said:

Honestly,  until we find damning evidence that says otherwise,  I think it's time to just assume this is all a ploy by panicland

Perhaps a ploy, but i dunno..yknow, panicland is a stretch. maybe when bill said "this is panicland" he was just referring to the audio clips of billie talking to panicland. 

15 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

I still think it wasn’t spliced in, but someone was watching the video on their phone in the studio

Tbh, I think that's a stretch because why would someone be watching that on their phone in the studio? That's like, idk, if on the set of Avengers Endgame, Tom Holland was watching a video of himself meeting someone dressed as spider man...

[GDFan2019]

8 minutes ago, 21st_century_gloria said:

Perhaps a ploy, but i dunno..yknow, panicland is a stretch. maybe when bill said "this is panicland" he was just referring to the audio clips of billie talking to panicland. 

Tbh, I think that's a stretch because why would someone be watching that on their phone in the studio? That's like, idk, if Tom Holland was watching a video of himself meeting someone dressed as spider man on the set of Endgame...

And again, why would anyone put so much elaborate work into their own music just to specifically fool Green Day fans? Especially hiring a female choir and string section!!!!

[21st_century_gloria]

Just realized we're on page 86. There's no way this thread can stop now. There's no return from 86!

[JReevz]

58 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

Potentially. It is in the leaked videos after all.

This is actually still really valid - if it’s panicland then why the fuck do they of, all people, have a finished and unreleased CD and vinyl of gods favorite band. 
 

not trying to keep stirring the pot, I just want answers haha

[21st_century_gloria]

24 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

And again, why would anyone put so much elaborate work into their own music just to specifically fool Green Day fans? Especially hiring a female choir and string section!!!!

Exactly what I was wondering... that's why the panicland meeting audio doesn't make sense, unless someone spliced it in to make us think it was just another troll so they could be technically telling the truth when they cried panicland...in order to get everyone scoffing at it and dismissing it as a bad fake...but why leak something if you don't want people to know about it? Every time I close my eyes and try to think about it, the only thing that comes to my mind is How many trolls does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

 

 

10 minutes ago, JReevz said:

This is actually still really valid - if it’s panicland then why the fuck do they of, all people, have a finished and unreleased CD and vinyl of gods favorite band. 
 

not trying to keep stirring the pot, I just want answers haha

What if Magnum Opus got Cigarettes-and-Valentine'd? by PANICLAND? Dun dun dunnnnn.......

 

(literally just realized I made it to Little One. Yay!)

[21st_century_gloria]

I suddenly happen to remeber that Mike Dirnt reposted a bassist that hashtagged MOTIK? 

He played Father Of All, but check out the hashtags...

 

Yup, this dude hastagged MOTIK.... And mike reposted...but without the get repost app thingy

On Mike's post, you don't see this guy's orignial post, which (as I have reiterated over 9000 times) hastags MOTIK...

Something here doesn't add up

yep, Mike did not repost this directly. Did he do this to debunk the MOTIK theory or to hide it? Only Mike himself knows this!

(I KNEW I'D FIND SOMETHING HALFWAY CREDIBLE FOR YOU GUYS. I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING. )

[Thatsername]

One thing that still intrigues me is the timing issue. When the last Dr. Doback "leak" was posted on September 6th, I happened to  be online. It was early in the morning in my time zone and I was having breakfast before work, and Billie is often posting stuff at this time of the day, late evening in his time zone. So I saw the "leak" popping up and some seconds or a minute later, Billie posted about the new Ultra Q EP on his BJA account. Yeah sure, it can be a coincidence. All I'm trying to say is, it's absolutely Billie's habit to log in on his several accounts and post stuff at nearly the same time, he often did this with his BJA and Longshot account or with his official BJA and his secret losersclub account when that one was still active, I was often online and having breakfast when he did that (he stopped posting on losersclub shortly after he accepted me in by the way - bummer). So when the Doback post and Billie's post happened at the same time, I was absolutely sure it was him posting. Not so sure anymore now, and of course it proves nothing. But still... my gut tells me Dr. Doback is not Panicland and not a troll either. My gut can be wrong though, I guess 😛

[AnonymWarnerGermany]

Did green day ever say anything about the leak?

[MrElPacho]

44 minutes ago, AnonymWarnerGermany said:

Did green day ever say anything about the leak?

Well some random fan claimed they asked Billie about it and he supposedly said it was fake. 

But the band have been strangely quiet about a lot of things this cycle so far. Like, I seriously want to know what the deal is with the FOAM art. A simple explanation is all I need, why did they recycle AI artwork? 

[That Dude]

5 hours ago, 21st_century_gloria said:

Exactly what I was wondering... that's why the panicland meeting audio doesn't make sense, unless someone spliced it in to make us think it was just another troll so they could be technically telling the truth when they cried panicland...in order to get everyone scoffing at it and dismissing it as a bad fake...but why leak something if you don't want people to know about it? Every time I close my eyes and try to think about it, the only thing that comes to my mind is How many trolls does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

 

 

What if Magnum Opus got Cigarettes-and-Valentine'd? by PANICLAND? Dun dun dunnnnn.......

 

(literally just realized I made it to Little One. Yay!)

What if they are the ones who stole C & V and they are going to release both.   

Wait, what if Panicland is the Network??????

 

[MillenniumFan]

What boggles me about Bill's comment isn't that he thinks it's fake. I would accept that in a heart beat, you know the kind of "yeah we know it's fake, because it's certainly not from us lol" statement.

But instead he insists on it being Panicland. That's very specific. How could he know, unless Green Day was somehow involved in this? Maybe Panicland told them and asked them for permission. Maybe it is a distraction. Anyhow, I'd really like Bill to answer WHY he's so certain it's Panicland?

And people taking Bill's statement at face value shouldn't delude themselves into thinking that they're the rational ones. What unequivocally proves that it is Panicland?  Until that question is answered, the matter is not settled. Period.

That being said, Bill probably wouldn't be calling out Panicland if they weren't SOMEHOW involved in this. I mean, I don't know, maybe he would just baselessly speculate about it, but the fallout of such action could be unfair, even to Panicland.

[localinsomniac]

Since there's no idea too crazy to throw out in this thread anymore, who's to say Green Day didn't hire panicland to BE the distraction?

[AnonymWarnerGermany]

13 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

What boggles me about Bill's comment isn't that he thinks it's fake. I would accept that in a heart beat, you know the kind of "yeah we know it's fake, because it's certainly not from us lol" statement.

But instead he insists on it being Panicland. That's very specific. How could he know, unless Green Day was somehow involved in this? Maybe Panicland told them and asked them for permission. Maybe it is a distraction. Anyhow, I'd really like Bill to answer WHY he's so certain it's Panicland?

And people taking Bill's statement at face value shouldn't delude themselves into thinking that they're the rational ones. What unequivocally proves that it is Panicland?  Until that question is answered, the matter is not settled. Period.

That being said, Bill probably wouldn't be calling out Panicland if they weren't SOMEHOW involved in this. I mean, I don't know, maybe he would just baselessly speculate about it, but the fallout of such action could be unfair, even to Panicland.

Who is bill

[MillenniumFan]

Btw, none of the people who DM'd Panicland about the leaks ever got an answer, right? 

That might be a a sign of "guilt" in my opinion. If they had nothing to do with it, they would have said so. 

Everything seems uncertain right now, but if I had to guess I'd say Panicland thought of impersonating Green Day for fun and contacted the band about it. They said yes and maybe even helped them out a bit (by sending some B-sides, vocal tracks or something, or maybe just the discarded GFB covers). Wether it was Billie or Panicland that did the posting, who knows, doesn't matter too much.

I think they're gonna keep reasonably quiet about it until the albums come out (for both Green Day and Panicland, that will be in February I think). 

Again, I do still find it VERY hard to see Panicland writing, playing or recording any of this, but at this stage, it does seem more likely that it is a fake, but probably with the involvement of Green Day or some of their staff in some way.

Suggesting it isn't fake, would be either suggesting that Bill is lying (which he might, who knows) or that even he doesn't know about this "project" (very unlikely). 

So, that's what I'm going with for the time being. 

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

3 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

What boggles me about Bill's comment isn't that he thinks it's fake. I would accept that in a heart beat, you know the kind of "yeah we know it's fake, because it's certainly not from us lol" statement.

But instead he insists on it being Panicland. How could he know, unless Green Day was somehow involved in this? Maybe Panicland told them and asked them for permission. Maybe it is a distraction. Anyhow, I'd really like Bill to answer WHY he's so certain it's Panicland?

And people taking Bill's statement at face value shouldn't delude themselves into thinking that they're the rational ones. What unequivocally proves that it is Panicland?  Until that question is answered, the matter is not settled. Period.

That being said, Bill probably wouldn't be calling out Panicland if they weren't SOMEHOW involved in this. I mean, I don't know, maybe he would just baselessly speculate about it, but the fallout of such action could be unfair, even to Panicland.

When Bill posted that message this forum was sure about Panicland being the ones behind the leaks (I think wrongly, since there were not enough “evidence” to start an angry mob against that band). The shitstorm was so big that people even started to harass the band on social media. I am not Bill so I can’t speak for him, but I think he simply read a few posts in here and reached the same (possibly wrong) conclusion that many other people in here gave for granted at the time. 
Anyway I think you are right, even knowing that the “leaks” studio is a studio used by Panicland, and even knowing that the dialogues we hear are from a video of that band, we can’t know for sure that they are the ones who created those videos, so the reaction against the band at the time was not fair, IMHO. 

[MillenniumFan]

7 minutes ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said:

When Bill posted that message this forum was sure about Panicland being the ones behind the leaks (I think wrongly, since there were not enough “evidence” to start an angry mob against that band). The shitstorm was so big that people even started to harass the band on social media. I am not Bill so I can’t speak for him, but I think he simply read a few posts in here and reached the same (possibly wrong) conclusion that many other people in here gave for granted at the time. 
Anyway I think you are right, even knowing that the “leaks” studio is a studio used by Panicland, and even knowing that the dialogues we hear are from a video of that band, we can’t know for sure that they are the ones who created those videos, so the reaction against the band at the time was not fair, IMHO. 

That's possible, but I think it would be quite reckless of him to assume that twice without knowing. Also people asked him about the Panicland thing the first time round and he didn't answer. So, that would lead me to assume he either didn't read most of the posts since then (likely, can't blame him either) or he did and he's being dishonest / evading the question. 

Either way, it is completely legitimate to ask him how he can safely say it is Panicland, without knowing more than we do. 

 

 

[localinsomniac]

Doesn't hurt to ask, but nobody should expect an answer from him. His posts seem to be hit and run.

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

I mean, if he knows he won't tell. That's the point of secrets 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

22 minutes ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said:

 I am not Bill so I can’t speak for him, but I think he simply read a few posts in here

Wait I don't know a lot about GDC but people who are close to GD come here sometime to read some post?

[Squashie]

1 minute ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said:

Wait I don't know a lot about GDC but people who are close to GD come here sometime to read some post?

Yes. Bill Schneider (tour manager & co-owner of broken guitars) posts here occasionally.

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

29 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

That's possible, but I think it would be quite reckless of him to assume that twice without knowing. Also people asked him about the Panicland thing the first time round and he didn't answer. So, that would lead me to assume he either didn't read most of the posts since then (likely, can't blame him either) or he did and he's being dishonest / evading the question. 

Either way, it is completely legitimate to ask him how he can safely say it is Panicland, without knowing more than we do. 

 

 

Oh I missed the post from a few hours ago! Reading that I would say he knows more than we do, and it’s quite clear he’s not gonna say more only because someone’s asking. 

[MrElPacho]

9 minutes ago, DadBod said:

Yes. Bill Schneider (tour manager & co-owner of broken guitars) posts here occasionally.

Again, have we ever had confirmation this guy is actually Bill Schneider? Easy to pose as someone online like this. Don't see why we should believe it is him unless we have solid proof. 

[MillenniumFan]

No, I think we should shut down that discussion. That's definitely the real Bill Schneider, anyone familiar with his posts will be able to attest that. 

[pacejunkie punk]

8 minutes ago, MrElPacho said:

Again, have we ever had confirmation this guy is actually Bill Schneider? Easy to pose as someone online like this. Don't see why we should believe it is him unless we have solid proof. 

 

5 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

No, I think we should shut down that discussion. That's definitely the real Bill Schneider, anyone familiar with his posts will be able to attest that. 

And the Admins verify those things. No one is allowed to be on here claiming to be a member of the band or band’s circle if they are not.