Magnum Opus Of The Inglorious Kind - confirmed NOT to be Green Day

[pacejunkie punk]

37 minutes ago, cav9mm said:

Is it more of a Hypothesis than a Theory ?

No. A hypothesis can be tested 😜

[DookieLukie]

2 hours ago, Matt. said:

They went back into the studio.

Oh really? I'm sorry for misquoting you.

[The Bellie]

22 hours ago, RamoneAnderson333 said:

So, I've been thinking about all of this, and I think there is truth to some degree. This is my first post and forgive me if something similar has been posted. I have a few theories that could work with or without MOOTIK. 

Theories:

I think there is more to Warner than we can be told. I believe it is possible Warner pushed them to sound more pop and pushed them to market on the nostalgia of Anerican Idiot. 

I also think it's possible Green Day wanted this album to be more outspoken, but Warner refused with how decisive politics are. It's very possible Warner didn't want them risking album sales, when their sales aren't as good as AI or 21st.  I think that is why Billie isn't saying the album or the songs are political, very much. If you read into the lyrics of both songs, they could easily both be Anti-Trump songs. Also, I've noted how he goes out of his way constantly to say the album isnt really political, but he also will barely say the songs are political. Almost as if Warner doesn't want them saying it is political. 

"Father of All...":

"I'm obsessed with the poison in us

What a mess, cause there's no one to trust"

I interpret the poison in us, being the Trump administration's message and just the hatred itself. Also, Trump doesn't trust anyone, so much so, that he eats McDonald's to make sure he isn't poisoned. 

The "count your money"  and lying in a bed of blood is because Trump is corrupt and using his power to make a fortune, and he doesn't care who he hurts to get it. 

"We are rivals in the riot inside us" to me says both sides, Dems and Republicans, or Billoe and Trump l, are both burning with intense rage and passion for their side/views, but they completely disagree on it. 

"I'm impressed by the presence of none 

I'm possessed from the heat of the sun

Hurry up because I'm making a fuss

Fingers up because there's no one to trust"

This whole verse is about Donald Trump's temperament. He is fussy, impressed by no one but himself, he is hateful, and their are pictures of him flipping off during speeches in moments of anger.

Fire Ready Aim:

This whole song is about how Donald Trump is a liar, he discredits informants like whistle blowers when he is in trouble, he exaggerates everything, turns to crazy conspiracies, holds grudges, loves revenge, and how he attacks without thinking.

"Kick the dog when the whistle blows, you're a liar"

"Baby got the hyperbole"

'Rip it up on retribution. Turn it up sideways" 

Now, if you want to flow me a little further down the rabbit hole:

I think it's possible the experimentation could have been caused by Green Day not caring if the album sells, or the opposite. I think if they were going to take another risk, they would do it as their last album to fulfill a contract. 

However, I also believe it is possible this is Green Day being dicks. If their label told them to market on AI and to sound more Pop, then it is possible they exaggerated it on purpose. It is like "Insomniac" but to their label. Like, "You want us to sound more radio friendly, here you go. You want us to market in AI, it's right on the cover of our new album." However, I believe things like Billie's descriptions, the AI logo being defaced on the cover, and various other subtle things are their FU's to Warner for it all. Lastly, I've also noticed Unicorns being trendy for some reason. So, its possible that was brought up by Warner to them for logos or something. So, they made every unicorn themed. 

Now, if there ever was a MOOTIK, it is possible that they were either turned down for it, and then made some of the exaggerated decisions for FOAMF.

Or if Warner didnt want them to be too political, they only left songs or even rewrote songs to be more subtle and took the obvious ones off.

I did find it odd that the first interview, on after the release of a lead single to a upcoming album, they were already discussing releasing more next year. Green Day typically takes things a project at a time, at least publically. 

All in all, I'm not saying completely saying FOAMF is a troll album. I think they very well could be exaggerating everything the label asked of them though. Either way, I personally like the new stuff. It isn't as divulging as the Opera stuff, but I don't agree that it is bad.

I agree mostly with your conclusion. I personally don't think it is necessarily a troll album, surely the contract with Warner must play for something in their decision to make it the shortest album possible, which could also be just a way of saying "we do what we want" like a blink in regard to the trilogy which was very long, it could be several things together bringing them to make this album in this way. But not a troll album for the sake of being one, I don't think so. I think they love their new stuff and it is as exciting as The Longshot has been (I mostly keep the impression of this teasing attitude from Billie similarly as he was when starting with The Longshot. This "it doesn't seem much at first, it doesn't seem deeper than that, but the thing is we're having huge fun, giving it to the fans, and it's all that matters, it doesn't "need" to appear as more than that). So the Warner contract may just be an incidental circumstance encouraging them in that attitude.

About Trump and being political, I don't believe Billie has directly or almost exclusively Trump in mind (like you may suggest about some lyrics' interpretation), I believe he writes from a more general point of view, and even though what you say does work for Trump, it could work for any of us, like situations or roles we must bear in the society we live. I don't know how common is this opinion but I believe that when Billie says that the album is not very political, he really thinks it. I mean, reflecting on society, on things you see every day and interpret in your own way, is not meant to be political. I think it can just allow connections on political field, that being left to the listener's appreciation. I think that when he says "it's not political", it's not under the pressure of anyone or any entity. It may also be a way of rallying part of the fandom that don't want the albums to be political as such. It's like saying: "you can hear political if you're sensible to that, or looking for that, but if you're not, it can just be a state of mind, an atmosphere on which someone will just want to let loose and dance." 

That being said, I for my part love the "political" or rather "engaged" content and I also love your suggesting that Billie may compare himself to Trump in a way. I agree with that. Some things, like being an outsider, and also pioneers in their own category, definitely can apply to the both of them, even while they're leading opposite battles. Both can be described as "manchilds" but with different meanings and connotations. 

To me, the line "we are rivals in the riot inside of us" sends back to how, today, specially in our western societies where damages are more and more moral issues (gun access, verbal violence, discrimination and harassment through social network, etc) and less linked to physical issues such as poverty and drama deriving from poverty itself, every body may be like contesting for the biggest drama, the biggest inner wreckage that will lead to a drama. It's like, witnessing powerlessly the physical or even bigger social misery going on in other parts of the world, you need to find your own drama going on and it's something that can just be there in us, as human beings, if doesn't come from an outside element. To me it's a subject more or less linked to the one of Bang Bang, like the phrase: "the leading man in my own private drama".

[AnonymWarnerGermany]

When my grandkids ask me one day:

Are the legends about Magnum Opus true?

[GDFan2019]

Someone pointed out in this Reddit thread that in one interview, Billie described FOAMF and one of the words he used was “glorious”. Could this be a subtle hint towards Magnum Opus of the InGLORIOUS Kind?

 

[Guest]

“I really decided that I don’t like long songs!" the frontman revealed. "I am like a 16-year-old with ADHD, because if I’m listening to other people’s music on iTunes or whatever, I always look at how long the song is, and if it’s over three minutes I go, ‘Urgh, pass. I don’t wanna listen to that shit!’ Who has time for that?!”

“You don’t get your three minutes back if it sucks,” joked drummer Tré Cool.

“And that’s coming from a band that wrote Jesus Of Suburbia!” added Billie Joe.

___

RIP Magnum Opus theory. They're serious with this shit.

[MillenniumFan]

27 minutes ago, Kyrthical said:

“I really decided that I don’t like long songs!" the frontman revealed. "I am like a 16-year-old with ADHD, because if I’m listening to other people’s music on iTunes or whatever, I always look at how long the song is, and if it’s over three minutes I go, ‘Urgh, pass. I don’t wanna listen to that shit!’ Who has time for that?!”

“You don’t get your three minutes back if it sucks,” joked drummer Tré Cool.

“And that’s coming from a band that wrote Jesus Of Suburbia!” added Billie Joe.

___

RIP Magnum Opus theory. They're serious with this shit.

This theory seems to have more than seven lives though haha. I just love how its final death was declared several times in the last few months, yet somehow it was then always resuscitated from the underworld and debated once again. In some ways GDC really is one large mental hospital lmao 

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

8 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

This theory seems to have more than seven lives though haha. I just love how its final death was declared several times in the last few months, yet somehow it was then always resuscitated from the underworld and debated once again. In some ways GDC really is one large mental hospital lmao 

What you're describing is called faith

[GDFan2019]

52 minutes ago, Kyrthical said:

“I really decided that I don’t like long songs!" the frontman revealed. "I am like a 16-year-old with ADHD, because if I’m listening to other people’s music on iTunes or whatever, I always look at how long the song is, and if it’s over three minutes I go, ‘Urgh, pass. I don’t wanna listen to that shit!’ Who has time for that?!”

“You don’t get your three minutes back if it sucks,” joked drummer Tré Cool.

“And that’s coming from a band that wrote Jesus Of Suburbia!” added Billie Joe.

___

RIP Magnum Opus theory. They're serious with this shit.

Explain this

At Whiskey a Go Go:

Green Day: (Plays FOAMF)

Billie: “That song was so short, let’s play it again!”

(Plays FOAMF again)

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

Look at it this way: Billie is a very good person, but that doesn't mean there's an explanation for everything he says.  

[Jorgemas]

8 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

Explain this

At Whiskey a Go Go:

Green Day: (Plays FOAMF)

Billie: “That song was so short, let’s play it again!”

(Plays FOAMF again)

BRUH

[Little Boy Named Booze]

11 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

Explain this

At Whiskey a Go Go:

Green Day: (Plays FOAMF)

Billie: “That song was so short, let’s play it again!”

(Plays FOAMF again)

If you listen carefully in the video at whiskey a Go Go you can hear that Billie said ''That song was so short, let’s play it again for GDFan2019!''
(Plays FOAMF again)

[Doggins]

MOOTIK is just going to be songs from FOAMF played twice 

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

6 minutes ago, Doggins said:

MOOTIK is just going to be songs from FOAMF played twice 

or backwards

[localinsomniac]

Don't try to rationalize things for which there are no explanations. Even hanging onto my last thread of hope for a huge fooled-you type album, I kinda just want this thread to die

[That Dude]

7 hours ago, Kyrthical said:

“I really decided that I don’t like long songs!" the frontman revealed. "I am like a 16-year-old with ADHD, because if I’m listening to other people’s music on iTunes or whatever, I always look at how long the song is, and if it’s over three minutes I go, ‘Urgh, pass. I don’t wanna listen to that shit!’ Who has time for that?!”

“You don’t get your three minutes back if it sucks,” joked drummer Tré Cool.

“And that’s coming from a band that wrote Jesus Of Suburbia!” added Billie Joe.

___

RIP Magnum Opus theory. They're serious with this shit.

If they hate long songs, playing the 5 parts of Jesus of Suburbia seperately would be a cool new option.   

AND each part is pretty short, with the longest part being 2 minutes, 38 seconds!   

 

 

[Sanity Loan]

8 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

Someone pointed out in this Reddit thread that in one interview, Billie described FOAMF and one of the words he used was “glorious”. Could this be a subtle hint towards Magnum Opus of the InGLORIOUS Kind?

 

No.

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Matt. said:

No.

Really? But what if? Explain one 4channer's words:

"I saw Billie Joe last night and he was wearing a watch with a cow on it"

Subtly hinting at the MooTick theory, hm?

[Verycool99]

What are the chords used in the song on instagram? 

[Lenny]

5 hours ago, Verycool99 said:

What are the chords used in the song on instagram? 

DmM13 over and over and over

[walking_c0ntradicti0n]

On 10/29/2019 at 3:44 PM, Doggins said:

MOOTIK is just going to be songs from FOAMF played twice 

But also acoustic

[Otis Big]

I like how in the Kevin and Bean breakfast interview he compared social media to a bathroom stall and said “for a good time call” sounds like a song idea.  Sounds like something that would go “with a 1-800- liiiiiii-iiii-ii-iii-ie”

[W_FInkThePlatypusHunter]

Sorry for bringing this back to life. Time to put the soil back on this one and give it a rest. #RIPMOOTIKTheory 

2019-2019. 

We barely got to know you.

Now you can rest next your brothers, “Hillside Dance” and the seemingly empty grave of “Cigarettes and Valentines”.

Can we get an F in the chat?

[Christian's Inferno!]

4 hours ago, W_FInkThePlatypusHunter said:

Sorry for bringing this back to life. Time to put the soil back on this one and give it a rest. #RIPMOOTIKTheory 

2019-2019. 

We barely got to know you.

Now you can rest next your brothers, “Hillside Dance” and the seemingly empty grave of “Cigarettes and Valentines”.

Can we get an F in the chat?

F

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

F