Magnum Opus Of The Inglorious Kind - confirmed NOT to be Green Day

[green day is]

16 minutes ago, dannygreen said:

If you chimed in like this maybe we could have had a wholesome discussion and maybe met halfway

The prospect of "meeting halfway" assumes you were contributing something valid that could have been conceded as opposed to completely misunderstanding the point that was even in contention.

If you want to meet halfway on those grounds, sure, melodyne and similar tools sound artificial when you go overboard with it. Some specific goals from specific sources cannot be achieved with those tools. None of that was in question so whatever satisfaction you get from those irrelevant points being conceded is misplaced.

 

6 minutes ago, Platypus2000 said:

This will all be majorly irrelevant after the album drops, and the tour ends and we don't get anything else for another two years, you're all clutching at straws. I believe there's more music but to suggest we'll get something 2-4 months after the new one is released is just absurd to me. I honestly think they they just mean a shorter wait for new music as in 1-2 years as opposed to 4-5 years. 

Billie literally said they had more stuff to put out independently between the release of FOAMF and the beginning of the tour.

[The Bellie]

9 hours ago, Stefano Bras said:

It makes perfect sense. (What you're saying I mean)

The leaks and the MOOTIK cover are all almost confirmed to be fake but I insist that the theory still stands, I think we can still have a nice, easy going, rock n roll album with FOAM but something tells me that maybe that wasn't the type of record they necessarily wanted to make at this moment (I could be completely wrong of course), hence another album before the tour.

I loved FOAM but everything surrounding the album it's too odd, there must be something.

Either that or they've gone mad.

I wish. 

@green day is come on, stop being such a dick (take this to the 2nd degree, you actually have balls and so i don't dislike you, but hey). All this discussion is really interesting (even more as I know nothing to Melodyne and all you're taking about, so I'm learning stuff) but it was allowed because the people whom you've replied meanly to remained civil and kept it on. And although I just said I knew nothing about this subject it clearly seems as there is more than one take, experience or impression on it. None of you are "idiots" on the matter

[17Gonzalo]

 

Every day that passes I am assuming that FOAM will be the only new Green Day release nextly. My only hope is that the 26 minutes lenght and only 10 songs is a joke... But after hearing the first single and see Billie's dressing and Tre drums in the concerts, I'm seeng a new Foxboro Hot Tubs or DOS! album (the worst Green Day versions for me). On the other hand is first time that I hear Green Day talking about the lenght of one of their records, so i have another small hope of a ten songs record, but with one 26 minutes track. Is difficult to belive in a Green Day album with only 10 2:30 minutes songs

[green day is]

1 minute ago, The Bellie said:

I wish. 

@green day is come one, stop being such a dick (take this to the 2nd degree). All this discussion is really interesting (even more as I know nothing to Melodyne and all you're taking about, so I'm learning stuff) but it was allowed because the people whom you've replied meanly to remained civil and kept it on. And although I just said I knew nothing about this subject it clearly seems as there is more than one take, experience or impression on it. None of you are "idiots" on the matter

There isn't more than one valid take on whether Melodyne (or similar tools) can be used to change a vocal sample into something arbitrarily materially different without noticeable artifacting. The fact that you've come away thinking there is is exactly the problem.

[The Bellie]

1 minute ago, green day is said:

There isn't more than one valid take on whether Melodyne (or similar tools) can be used to change a vocal sample into something arbitrarily materially different without noticeable artifacting. The fact that you've come away thinking there is is exactly the problem.

I've been watching sketches from the French band actors "Les Inconnus" and your reply reminds me of that, they're imitating people always using dark ungraspable languages lol.

You're wrong, I don't "think" anything on the matter and in fact I haven't retained anything (I was reading too fast because of the escalation of the tone, so you see it doesn't benefit the general comprehension to not be civil in these technical discussions). I've only seen that you're not the only one who has some knowledge on the matter and you should be able to exchange with these other people civilly instead of being like "my version of this is the only right one." Maybe it is, but who cares. Put some manners

[Christian's Inferno!]

10 minutes ago, 17Gonzalo said:

 

Every day that passes I am assuming that FOAM will be the only new Green Day release nextly. My only hope is that the 26 minutes lenght and only 10 songs is a joke... But after hearing the first single and see Billie's dressing and Tre drums in the concerts, I'm seeng a new Foxboro Hot Tubs or DOS! album (the worst Green Day versions for me). On the other hand is first time that I hear Green Day talking about the lenght of one of their records, so i have another small hope of a ten songs record, but with one 26 minutes track. Is difficult to belive in a Green Day album with only 10 2:30 minutes songs

You don't honestly think Stop Drop & Roll is a bad album, do you?

[17Gonzalo]

Just now, Christian's Inferno! said:

You don't honestly think Stop Drop & Roll is a bad album, do you?

Is not a "bad" album but is (fighting close with DOS!) the worst Green Day album (at least for me)... I don't like Green Day playing "garage rock". It could be OK for a side project or a trilogy but not for 3 years waiting expectations.

[Christian's Inferno!]

1 minute ago, 17Gonzalo said:

Is not a "bad" album but is (fighting close with DOS!) the worst Green Day album (at least for me)... I don't like Green Day playing "garage rock". It could be OK for a side project or a trilogy but not for 3 years waiting expectations.

Well I love that album and Dos is my favourite album of the trilogy. Of course I understand the complaints with Dos but not with Stop Drop & Roll

[MrElPacho]

What I would say to the people claiming they could easily create something that sounds as convincing as the leaks: prove it. 

You're not going to win people over by either insulting their intelligence on music production or acting like a musical genius. If the process of replicating a band's sound is as easy as you claim, go and create a track that sounds as convincing and present it to this thread. 

I am skeptical that you could use lines from previous Green Day songs and alter them to such a degree we wouldn't recognise them and they would sound unrecognisable. 

[dannygreen]

12 minutes ago, The Bellie said:

I wish. 

@green day is come on, stop being such a dick (take this to the 2nd degree, you actually have balls and so i don't dislike you, but hey). All this discussion is really interesting (even more as I know nothing to Melodyne and all you're taking about, so I'm learning stuff) but it was allowed because the people whom you've replied meanly to remained civil and kept it on. And although I just said I knew nothing about this subject it clearly seems as there is more than one take, experience or impression on it. None of you are "idiots" on the matter

Since you seem interested I give you a couple of notions

Melodyne is a tool to manipulate audio, often mistaken for Autotune. If it weren't that Autotune is an effect that producers often choose to use on vocals to make them sound robotic (for lack of a better word because it has a very distinctive sound (t-pain). Sometimes it is used also to help singers from some genres like electronic music  that maybe are not really well trained.

Melodyne is a standard, instead, nowadays to get your vocal perfectly on point, as the music market demands. It is used usually on one track and allows you to change the pitch, gain, stretch it and alter it but the more you wander off your original note the more will be likely to happen crackles and distortions, without counting that the voice will sound very robotic (and it could happen even with a slight move of the pitch, it depends from the singer and his air emission). Usually the purpose of using this is to be very precise without letting people know you are modifying audio to make it perfect

That's the basis if you'd like to know more I'm here 😊

[green day is]

16 minutes ago, The Bellie said:

I've only seen that you're not the only one who has some knowledge on the matter and you should be able to exchange with these other people civilly instead of being like "my version of this is the only right one." Maybe it is, but who cares. Put some manners

I challenge you to explain to me that rain is made of water, where I insist that it's not, and not come off patronizing.

We're debating very fundamental aspects of what pitch-shifting tools are capable of. The reason "my version of this is the only right one" is because I'm making a very basic claim about what's possible with these tools and how it applies to the supposed leaks and the rebuttal is "these tools can't work wonders and do anything you want them to". The "issues" being brought up in regards to this are demonstrably not relevant to this particular case.

 

I don't think I'm the only one with any knowledge but clearly something very basic has been misunderstood, whether it's about the program or about what the point of contention even is.

[Rogankiwifruit]

News Just in

Quote

Variety.com

SEPTEMBER 13, 2019 8:37AM PT

Green Day and Fall Out Boy Are Free Agents: What’s Their Next Move?

 

When Green Day, Weezer and Fall Out Boy announced their joint “Hella Mega” tour earlier this week, many quick-witted industry observers noted that the three artists have something in common beyond their status as three of America’s biggest rock bands: They’re all managed by Crush Music.

And as Green Day and Fall Out Boy noted in a recent interview, they are both also at the end of their major-label deals: Green Day will release the last album on their Warner Records contract early next year (the group has been with the label since 1993), and Fall Out Boy, which released their first album with Island in 2005, is already at the end of theirs. (While reps for Crush, Warner and Island either declined or did not respond to requests for comment, a source close to the situation confirmed to Variety that the two groups are “technically” out of their deals.)

As luck would have it, Crush Music has a label — in fact, Weezer has released its last four albums on it via a distribution deal with Atlantic, which enables them to benefit from the support and infrastructure of a major label while still owning the masters. It’s a model that has become increasingly common in recent years, as streaming and the Internet — not to mention increased awareness of the benefits of artists owning their masters — have empowered musicians and eroded the leverage of the majors. Powerhouse management firms like Q Prime and Roc Nation have for years operated their own labels and partnered with majors for distribution; many artists who own their masters, like Motley Crue, have their own imprints (and their manager owns a full-service independent label).

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/green-day-fall-out-boy-free-agents-major-labels-1203334125/

 

"If Green Day and Fall Out Boy were to follow Weezer to Crush’s label,"

well they did

https://crushmusic.com/

>Green Day

>Fall Out Boy

>Weezer

[AnonymWarnerGermany]

4 minutes ago, Rogankiwifruit said:

News Just in

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/green-day-fall-out-boy-free-agents-major-labels-1203334125/

 

"If Green Day and Fall Out Boy were to follow Weezer to Crush’s label,"

well they did

https://crushmusic.com/

>Green Day

>Fall Out Boy

>Weezer

Oh! Thats some news - maybe we should open a new thread for this?

[Rogankiwifruit]

"Green Day will release the last album on their Warner Records contract early next year"

Trollllllololololololololo oh Billie. i'm gonna buy it anyway.

[Chin for a Day]

9 minutes ago, Rogankiwifruit said:

News Just in

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/green-day-fall-out-boy-free-agents-major-labels-1203334125/

 

"If Green Day and Fall Out Boy were to follow Weezer to Crush’s label,"

well they did

https://crushmusic.com/

>Green Day

>Fall Out Boy

>Weezer

They changed their management to Crush Music in 2017. Their label is still Warner Brothers.

[Rogankiwifruit]

Just now, Adorkable said:

They changed their management to Crush Music in 2017. Their label is still Warner Brothers.

the article talks about their last album will be out early next year...^{Coincidence I Think Not.}

Spoiler

 

[Chin for a Day]

2 minutes ago, Rogankiwifruit said:

the article talks about their last album will be out early next year...^{Coincidence I Think Not.}

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Yes, but that doesn't mean they can't resign with Warner. If they don't resign with Warner it won't be until after FOAM is done. 

[Rogankiwifruit]

Just now, Adorkable said:

Yes, but that doesn't mean they can't resign with Warner. If they don't resign with Warner it won't be until after FOAM is done. 

its saying that FOAM will be the last album with Warner owner of the masters and maybe they can knock out a deal like weezer with crush to own their own masters and a label can do do the distribution...

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

Just now, Adorkable said:

Yes, but that doesn't mean they can't resign with Warner. If they don't resign with Warner it won't be until after FOAM is done. 

I doubt they'd be like "we're out of our contract teeheehee" if they were planning to resign...

[AngelBlue_]

33 minutes ago, 17Gonzalo said:

Is not a "bad" album but is (fighting close with DOS!) the worst Green Day album (at least for me)... I don't like Green Day playing "garage rock". It could be OK for a side project or a trilogy but not for 3 years waiting expectations.

This. So much. 

[Chin for a Day]

Just now, Rogankiwifruit said:

its saying that FOAM will be the last album with Warner owner of the masters and maybe they can knock out a deal like weezer with crush to own their own masters and a label can do do the distribution...

The article is speculation. You started a thread that says they have moved to Crush but they have not.  

1 minute ago, Beerjeezus said:

I doubt they'd be like "we're out of our contract teeheehee" if they were planning to resign...

But would they say teeheehee we are out of contract while they still are?

Plus, they are not out of contract yet. They are when the record is complete. The article is speculation starting a thread saying they have moved to Crush music is incorrect. I was simply trying to point that out before he started an incorrect thread.  

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

3 minutes ago, Adorkable said:

But would they say teeheehee we are out of contract while they still are?

Plus, they are not out of contract yet. They are when the record is complete. The article is speculation starting a thread saying they have moved to Crush music is incorrect. I was simply trying to point that out before he started an incorrect thread.  

Apparently, yes. That's what the interview with "we'll do what we want cha cha chaaaaa" sounded like.

Yeah, I get that. I was just saying that resigning to Warner doesn't seem very likely judging from their behavior.

[Chin for a Day]

3 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Apparently, yes. That's what the interview with "we'll do what we want cha cha chaaaaa" sounded like.

Yeah, I get that. I was just saying that resigning to Warner doesn't seem very likely judging from their behavior.

None of what is going on with this album makes any sense to me whatsoever. Would you mock someone that is still your boss when they still have to support you?

Sorry you have an issue. 

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

14 minutes ago, Adorkable said:

None of what is going on with this album makes any sense to me whatsoever. Would you mock someone that is still your boss when they still have to support you?

Sorry you have an issue. 

No, I wouldn't and you're correct - it makes zero sense. Yet it seems to be what they were doing in the interview. It is weird. The only two options are that they either doing it on purpose or they're out of their minds. At the same time, as you said, they're still working with Warner, which raises another question - how the fuck is any of this even possible when the promotion of this allegedly is in competent hands.

[Rogankiwifruit]

https://www.kerrang.com/the-news/green-day-are-teasing-that-theyre-in-the-studio/

 

Butch has to do with the bull and im trying to find photos they speak about his recording studio to see if they match the MOOTIK video.

 

edit:

https://www.greendayfans.com/news/is-butch-walker-producing-the-new-green-day-album/

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