Magnum Opus Of The Inglorious Kind - confirmed NOT to be Green Day

[Stefano Bras]

19 minutes ago, MrElPacho said:

Go to the Zane Lowe interview in this thread: 

 

HE DID SAY OPUS.

 

 

[JOE THE X-KID]

22 minutes ago, MrElPacho said:

Just listened to one of the radio interviews and Billie was having a proper go at people who strap their guitars "up to their Adams apple" and sing songs "about their f***ing feelings" or something along those lines. 

Gotta say, it didn't really sit right with me. For a start, his son Jakob wears his guitar pretty high, so he's kind of insulting his own son there. Secondly, since when were Green Day against writing about their true feelings? 

I have to say I am now a bit more suspicious as to what all of this is. Was he purely joking? Why are they repeating the same lines about wanting to bring songs back that "make you feel bad". 

He also said something about feeling "awful" and that reflects in the new music. And he said he "gets to have a beer after the show", so I guess that confirms he is drinking again to whoever was asking.  

Go to the Zane Lowe interview in this thread: 

 

This is like when Jaime lannister saved the citizens of kings landing from being burned to death, and then in season 8 says "i never really cared for the innocent"

[Sara Armstrong]

5 minutes ago, Stefano Bras said:

HE DID SAY OPUS.

 

 

😳 conspiracy theory intensifies

[Squashie]

37 minutes ago, MrElPacho said:

Just listened to one of the radio interviews and Billie was having a proper go at people who strap their guitars "up to their Adams apple" and sing songs "about their f***ing feelings" or something along those lines. 

Gotta say, it didn't really sit right with me. For a start, his son Jakob wears his guitar pretty high, so he's kind of insulting his own son there. Secondly, since when were Green Day against writing about their true feelings? 

I have to say I am now a bit more suspicious as to what all of this is. Was he purely joking? Why are they repeating the same lines about wanting to bring songs back that "make you feel bad". 

He also said something about feeling "awful" and that reflects in the new music. And he said he "gets to have a beer after the show", so I guess that confirms he is drinking again to whoever was asking.  

 

To be fair, he insulted 98% of songwriters because 98% of songs are about “feelings” including himself. 

And his current touring partner, Rivers, because he wears his guitar high...

I’m taking it with a grain of salt 

[SumDay]

5 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

On the Woody show today he was praising artists that can just put out singles whenever they want and not have to go according to a contract. I think he’s mostly talking about the freedom to release random singles and EPs that don’t adhere to a schedule.  The more he talks about it the more you can tell what he’s referring to. There are no hints of another entire album.

I was walking around with this idea in my head the whole day. I don't think FOAMF is a 'fake record' – that being said, there is definitely more to FOAMF, but it is certainly nothing fake-ish – but I do think that him stressing the ending of their contract is meant to foreshadow they're gonna drop whatever they want whenever they want. Billie's obviously always working – Longshot – but can't / couldn't release everything – OTIS-Remixes. They even tried ditching Warner's regulations with Revolution Radio; given I recall correctly, they did not tell Warner they're recording. 

FOAMF will contain 'real' songs and his obvious missing interest in promoting is in my opinion not linked to the music but to Warner. He's obviously sick of all this promo stuff, hence his repetitions. I bet future releases will have a small amount to zero promo. 

[pacejunkie punk]

1 minute ago, SumDay said:

I was walking around with this idea in my head the whole day. I don't think FOAMF is a 'fake record' – that being said, there is definitely more to FOAMF, but it is certainly nothing fake-ish – but I do think that him stressing the ending of their contract is meant to foreshadow they're gonna drop whatever they want whenever they want. Billie's obviously always working – Longshot – but can't / couldn't release everything – OTIS-Remixes. They even tried ditching Warner's regulations with Revolution Radio; given I recall correctly, they did not tell Warner they're recording. 

FOAMF will contain 'real' songs and his obvious missing interest in promoting is in my opinion not linked to the music but to Warner. He's obviously sick of all this promo stuff, hence his repetitions. I bet future releases will have a small amount to zero promo. 

He’s promoting mainly because he wants the tour to do well. That’s where his energies are. The one thing they said to their new managers when asked what their goals are, is that they wanted to do a big stadium tour.  Not a Grammy, not a hit record.  They want sellouts and high excitement for fun, energetic shows. The sad truth is there’s no money in recording and releasing music anymore for the artist. They enjoy the creative process and want people to like it, but once it’s out, promotion is for the tour.

[MillenniumFan]

I heard from a friend that we're not the only forum asking ourselves questions about the release and/or lending credence to the "MOOTIK theory".

Based on that, I went on the lookout and found some interesting additions. In this case, I'm gonna quote a woman on the "Steve Hoffmann Forum".

Just to be clear, I'm not giving any authoritative status to her or endorsing her statements in any way, necessarily. In this example she writes "subreddit" as her source, but she may even have got all her "info" from this exact forum haha. I simply think her input is interesting and worth sharing here either way: 

 

I was initially quite underwhelmed by Green Day's new single, the revelation that its parent album would barely qualify as LP-length and even its cover artwork, but then I saw a theory posted over at the band's subreddit...

"FOAM" is supposedly the last release under the group's existing contract with Reprise, and there has been previous talk of disagreements. For one, they ditched Pat Magnarella - their manager for 20 years - back in 2017 and have since signed to Crush Music, which just so happens to represent the other two acts on the recently announced Hella Mega Tour. After originally hinting at their next studio project being called Songs For Assholes, it seems as if we're getting an album that further points to unhappiness at how Reprise has treated Green Day. There has been talk of parent company Warner Records wanting to drop the band after the disappointment of Warning, only American Idiot proved to be a massive success both critically and commercially. With that, money and creative freedom allowed the group to go even further in whatever direction it felt like, which culminated in the ¡Uno!, ¡Dos!, ¡Tré! trilogy, which they'd hoped would count as three releases, meeting their remaining contractual obligations. Instead, two additional albums would need to be delivered, and the latest is barely even going to qualify as such - if my understanding of such things is correct, 26 minutes is the absolute minimum length an album needs to be, as something shorter would technically be counted as an EP. Here's a very choice quote from the promotional text for the current single:
 

Nothing says **** you like a unicorn.

Apart from the standard (censored) edition of the new album having a strategically placed unicorn on its cover, the unicorn motif appears in promotional material for the Hella Mega Tour, which is being advertised several months from now. There are so many signs pointing to "FOAM" being a middle finger to Reprise, and leaks from just a week ago gave the impression fans could expect a truly epic new album that even had very different artwork. Just as Weezer has teased another album that will supposedly be much more ambitious than its upcoming effort, some are now theorising that Green Day is planning something else for 2020. Just a few months ago, there was credible talk from industry sources about the band having a new release ready to drop at any moment, but all we have for such build-up is 26 minutes of new music and a thrown-together piece of artwork that even recycles imagery from American Idiot? I'm fully on board with the speculation "FOAM" is Green Day's equivalent of a troll album directed at Reprise, and how much more punk rock can you get than that? If you're still not convinced, try doing a search for Magnum Opus Of The Inglorious Kind and form your own conclusion. There's definitely something else in the pipeline, and it was clearly deemed too good to waste on Reprise!

 

Source: https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/green-day-fall-out-boy-and-weezer-are-headlining-the-hella-mega-tour-2020-new-albums.877978/

[ANTI]

9 minutes ago, DadBod said:

To be fair, he insulted 98% of songwriters because 98% of songs are about “feelings” including himself. 

And his current touring partner, Rivers, because he wears his guitar high...

I’m taking it with a grain of salt 

But what would people write about if not about feelings? Even when you're talking about suppresing emotions, you're talking about feelings. I just hope he can channel all this confussion into the songs to cope with this in a healthy way, like Kanye did with "I Thought About Killing You", 'cause this denial is kinda worrying, and one of the reasons why I respect him so much is because he has never been one to shy away from the process of dealing with complicated emotions.

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

Opening this thread once in a while being like 

 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

9 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

With that, money and creative freedom allowed the group to go even further in whatever direction it felt like, which culminated in the ¡Uno!, ¡Dos!, ¡Tré! trilogy, which they'd hoped would count as three releases, meeting their remaining contractual obligations. Instead, two additional albums would need to be delivered

So they wanted to be indepedant after the trilogy, I guess?

[MillenniumFan]

1 hour ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said:

So they wanted to be indepedant after the trilogy, I guess?

I don't know. Seems speculative on her behalf, but it's an interesting theory that I hadn't thought of. People on here are also pointing out an eerie similarity between this tour cycle and the trilogy's. Also interesting...

Today I also thought about the fact that, while RevRad was kinda a gift to the fans, it could also be interpreted as a soft "fu" to Warner/Reprise, seeing that they recorded it in secret for a while and with a smaller number of staff than usual. That was already less "on Warner's terms", if you see what I mean.

Whatever comes out of this, this tour cycle is definitely the least straight-forward one we've had for a while...

 

[W_FInkThePlatypusHunter]

I wonder if the subpar mix on RevRad was partial sabotage? With all of this in mind.

[Flashback]

Please tell me what Billie answered to Zane Low saying Opus, i can‘t open the video 😨

[Squashie]

Just now, Flashback said:

Please tell me what Billie answered to Zane Low saying Opus, i can‘t open the video 😨

he basically agreed that JOS is an opus of a song

 

[GuitarPunk94]

another "fact" that disturbes me is:

we were told that GD did their music in studio (in spring?), but then went back to the studio in may/june ... why?

and why it took them so long to record (etc.) a 26-min. LP? didnt they do dookie in like 3 days?

[pacejunkie punk]

Just now, GuitarPunk94 said:

another "fact" that disturbes me is:

we were told that GD did their music in studio (in spring?), but then went back to the studio in may/june ... why?

and why it took them so long to record (etc.) a 26-min. LP? didnt they do dookie in like 3 days?

They recorded more than that they said they had 17 songs total and then started trimming it down.

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

"Nothing says fuck you like an unicorn" just means the unicorn covers the profanity on the album cover. 

[foxborohottub]

Panic land must be laughing their asses off at you guys lol...

 

[Vthefifth]

https://www.greendayfans.com/news/studio-teases-and-possible-album-art-leak/

watch second and fourth clips from Instagram on this page.  Although these videos have apparently been debunked, Billie Joe’s voice is undeniably present in both.  @matt any comment?

[Squashie]

1 minute ago, Vthefifth said:

https://www.greendayfans.com/news/studio-teases-and-possible-album-art-leak/

watch second and fourth clips from Instagram on this page.  Although these videos have apparently been debunked, Billie Joe’s voice is undeniably present in both.  @matt any comment?

Go read the Album anticipation... chapter 2 thread

[GuitarPunk94]

5 minutes ago, DadBod said:

Go read the Album anticipation... chapter 2 thread

but all 500 pages! 🤓🤯

[Billie Hoe]

24 minutes ago, foxborohottub said:

 

 

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23 minutes ago, foxborohottub said:

Panic land must be laughing their asses off at you guys lol...

Yeah we get it, the theory that we're clowns doing unintentional marketing for Panicland has been established several times in the past few pages  But thanks for your contribution, we shall consider it.

[Squashie]

3 minutes ago, GuitarPunk94 said:

but all 500 pages! 🤓🤯

Maybe I should have linked the OG thread too 

[localinsomniac]

16 minutes ago, DadBod said:

Go read the Album anticipation... chapter 2 thread

Aw don't be cruel!

[Thatsername]

2 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

He’s promoting mainly because he wants the tour to do well. That’s where his energies are. The one thing they said to their new managers when asked what their goals are, is that they wanted to do a big stadium tour.  Not a Grammy, not a hit record.  They want sellouts and high excitement for fun, energetic shows. The sad truth is there’s no money in recording and releasing music anymore for the artist. They enjoy the creative process and want people to like it, but once it’s out, promotion is for the tour.

I think this is an important point. Billie seems to be pretty bored with the whole promotion thing and is just doing it because he has to, and he’s making that pretty clear. Maybe the Longshot experience - doing his own thing, releasing songs when he feels like it- made him realize even more that this is the way he wants to share his art in the future, and not in the strict single-promotion-album-tour-order. Yeah, I get that, and I’m just hoping that this is the main reason for his frustration right now and not - well, other demons.