Thatsername Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 17 hours ago, Beerjeezus said: A lot of punk bands are political, that's in no way unique. Green Day have done a good job marketing themselves as a political band but the truth is they're vague and don't really have much to say. Being vague in your lyrics isn't a criterion for good or bad songs or good or bad songwriting, on the contrary. Dark Side Of The Moon is undoubtedly one of the greates records of all time, and the band never actually revealed what the true meaning behind the lyrics is (at least to my knowledge), which means that there are hundres and thousands of possible meanings and interpretations out there. And that is proof for one of the most wonderful and fascinating things about music: That it has exactly the meaning YOU read into it. Not more and not less. Which means that one song can have a totally different meaning to me than it has to you. And I think that Billie has proven with many songs (not all of them of course, but a lot) that he is exactly one of those songwriters. He doesn't force a meaning or interpretation on you, he guides you to your very own. And that's why Billie is (at least for me) one of the greatest songwriters of all time.
scottnz6789 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 I think now is the time if ever to go back to politics. But not in the way of oh fuck Trump he’s a dick. But more an assessment of it as a whole. From an outsider looking in, America seems anything but United. There’s a polarisation that exists that hasn’t previously or if it not the way it does now. This polarisation is eroding democracy and that is truly scary. I like Green Days politics because it is subtle, and focusses in values or analysis than telling you what to think. I think the band is more than capable of producing another great political album. Whether they go there or not is a whole different matter. But I think Green Day telling a story story about something and being serious leads to better music. Otherwise you go to Trilogy style themes.
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, scottnz6789 said: But I think Green Day telling a story story about something and being serious leads to better music. Otherwise you go to Trilogy style themes. I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Love is for losers has excellent lyrics and great songs, and it’s neither a political concept album, nor a Trilogy-ish record. As any other album prior to AI.
Squashie Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 48 minutes ago, Thatsername said: Being vague in your lyrics isn't a criterion for good or bad songs or good or bad songwriting, on the contrary. Dark Side Of The Moon is undoubtedly one of the greates records of all time, and the band never actually revealed what the true meaning behind the lyrics is (at least to my knowledge), which means that there are hundres and thousands of possible meanings and interpretations out there. And that is proof for one of the most wonderful and fascinating things about music: That it has exactly the meaning YOU read into it. Not more and not less. Which means that one song can have a totally different meaning to me than it has to you. And I think that Billie has proven with many songs (not all of them of course, but a lot) that he is exactly one of those songwriters. He doesn't force a meaning or interpretation on you, he guides you to your very own. And that's why Billie is (at least for me) one of the greatest songwriters of all time. Yes! Thank you!!! You nailed what music and art is supposed be. Finding YOUR emotions/feelings in art form. The greatest songs written aren’t meant to have one specific meaning. Billie has said that before. He wants to listener to come to their own conclusions about what the lyrics mean to them because it has more life and sustainability to it. That is what makes a great lyricist.
Guest Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 To me, the problem isn't that his lyrics have gotten vague as in that they're open for interpretation. They always have been and it's one of his greatest strengths as a song writer. The problem is that the newer songs fall flat for me because they feel like a bunch of platitudes lacking passion and personality. Like a rough idea of something but never taken to its full extent. Someone said a while back that Billie seems to have lost the ability to tell the difference between a great song and a terrible one. Of course stuff like that is subjective but I still tend to agree. The older albums have way more consistent quality than the more recent ones. The Trilogy is a great example of shocking differences in quality and honestly so is RevRad.
GDFan2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, DadBod said: Yes! Thank you!!! You nailed what music and art is supposed be. Finding YOUR emotions/feelings in art form. The greatest songs written aren’t meant to have one specific meaning. Billie has said that before. He wants to listener to come to their own conclusions about what the lyrics mean to them because it has more life and sustainability to it. That is what makes a great lyricist. I love songs with double meanings! Wake Me Up When September Ends was written about the death of Billie’s dad when he was just 10 years old, yet it also invokes a feeling of post 9/11 America
Squashie Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 53 minutes ago, scottnz6789 said: focuses in values or analysis than telling you what to think. Isn’t that what Billie/Green day want us to do? Not telling us WHAT to think, but to ACTUALLY think. Have your own thoughts and not just be a puppet in the show? 33 minutes ago, J a c said: I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Love is for losers has excellent lyrics and great songs, and it’s neither a political concept album, nor a Trilogy-ish record. As any other album prior to AI. I still love this album.
MissHoliday228 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, J a c said: I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Love is for losers has excellent lyrics and great songs, and it’s neither a political concept album, nor a Trilogy-ish record. As any other album prior to AI. Am I the only one who doesn't want any green day album to be an album like love is for losers? I like that kind of music but I expect more from Green Day. I honestly don't think it's that good...
localinsomniac Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Just now, MissHoliday228 said: Am I the only one who doesn't want any green day album to be an album like love is for losers? I like that kind of music but I expect more from Green Day. I honestly don't think it's that good... No Green Day album would be like Love Is For Losers, because Mike and Tré would be involved. What did you dislike about it?
GDFan2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, MissHoliday228 said: Am I the only one who doesn't want any green day album to be an album like love is for losers? I like that kind of music but I expect more from Green Day. I honestly don't think it's that good... 3 minutes ago, localinsomniac said: No Green Day album would be like Love Is For Losers, because Mike and Tré would be involved. What did you dislike about it? I can’t wait to hear the results of working with Butch Walker
MissHoliday228 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Just now, localinsomniac said: No Green Day album would be like Love Is For Losers, because Mike and Tré would be involved. What did you dislike about it? I don't like the lyrics that much especially those of taxi driver. It's fun to listen to but to me its nothing more than that and I like such songs but they're nothing I would listen to when I need music to make my life better. And that's the main reason I like Green Day.
Ross_19 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, MissHoliday228 said: I don't like the lyrics that much especially those of taxi driver. It's fun to listen to but to me its nothing more than that and I like such songs but they're nothing I would listen to when I need music to make my life better. And that's the main reason I like Green Day. I think as a side project / Billie Joe solo project, LIFL is fantastic. But I'm with you, if it was released as a Green Day album I would be left wanting more.
MissHoliday228 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Just now, Ross_19 said: I think as a side project / Billie Joe solo project, LIFL is fantastic. But I'm with you, if it was released as a Green Day album I would be left wanting more. Exactly! As a side project I like it very much! But for me it's music that I listen to and afterwards I just got on with my life as normal. Can't say that about Green Day music. It makes me think and every time I listen to a whole Green Day album at home I sit on my bed afterwards and need a few minutes to think. I want that for the next Green Day album and nothing more or less! I wouldn't even mind if it was at least partly a different genre than usual but would make me think as the records before!
GDFan2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 OMG every time I get a notification about a new IG post, I’m always on the edge of my seat thinking this could be the one! But it’s just a throwback photo Billie reposted from a fan. And again, I think we’re just days away because August 1st is on Thursday!!!!
Ross_19 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, MissHoliday228 said: Exactly! As a side project I like it very much! But for me it's music that I listen to and afterwards I just got on with my life as normal. Can't say that about Green Day music. It makes me think and every time I listen to a whole Green Day album at home I sit on my bed afterwards and need a few minutes to think. I want that for the next Green Day album and nothing more or less! I wouldn't even mind if it was at least partly a different genre than usual but would make me think as the records before! Yeah, Longshot is just a fun listen and there are great tunes on there but yeah Green Day is a whole other level, whether it be listening to a stuidio album or a live album, it invokes completely different emotions that are unique. The thing that makes Green Day be Green Day can't be replicated with any other side project, its strange really.
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 52 minutes ago, MissHoliday228 said: Am I the only one who doesn't want any green day album to be an album like love is for losers? I like that kind of music but I expect more from Green Day. I honestly don't think it's that good... I think some of the best lyrics I heard from Billie Joe in the last 10 years are in that record. But I agree, I expect more from Green Day, it’s still a self produced side project.
GDFan2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, J a c said: I think some of the best lyrics I heard from Billie Joe in the last 10 years are in that record. But I agree, I expect more from Green Day, it’s still a self produced side project. Just like how Billie played some Green Day songs at the Longshot shows, I’d like to see how the Longshot songs sound at Green Day concerts!!!
Squashie Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said: Just like how Billie played some Green Day songs at the Longshot shows, I’d like to see how the Longshot songs sound at Green Day concerts!!! I don't. I'd rather have green day be green day at a green day show.
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said: Just like how Billie played some Green Day songs at the Longshot shows, I’d like to see how the Longshot songs sound at Green Day concerts!!! I would be happy to see that (mainly because I don’t think I will ever have the chance to see the Longshot live) , but I don’t think it will happen. As far as I am aware, they never did it even with FHT songs, which is an actual GD side project.
GDFan2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Just now, J a c said: I would be happy to see that, but I don’t think it will happen. As far as I am aware, they never did it even with FHT songs, which is an actual GD side project. Although Fuck Time from ¡DOS! actually started out as a FHT song
walking_c0ntradicti0n Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said: Although Fuck Time from ¡DOS! actually started out as a FHT song Did they release it under FHT? I think not.
Jon Benjamin Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, J a c said: I would be happy to see that (mainly because I don’t think I will ever have the chance to see the Longshot live) , but I don’t think it will happen. As far as I am aware, they never did it even with FHT songs, which is an actual GD side project. Foxboro did open for them once.
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jon Benjamin said: Foxboro did open for them once. Wasn’t that a secret show? In a context like that it would be super fun to see the Longshot opening for Green Day
DyP Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 I just really hope the next album's art is better than revrad. one of my favorite parts of a GD album is the cover. wouldn't mind something similar to what they did with the E.P's for The Longshot I literally would have preferred a flaccid penis as the cover for Revolution Radio than that boring radio art
Jon Benjamin Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, J a c said: Wasn’t that a secret show? In a context like that it would be super fun to see the Longshot opening for Green Day Nope, it was an outdoor stadium show in Europe in 2010, you may be thinking of Sweet Children opening for them at the House of Blues in Cleveland in 2015?
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