Next Album Anticipation Thread

[Squashie]

OMG that was hilarious. Only you Tre...

[petros]

Random questions that came to my mind. When did the management change happen? Do we know why they chose to change the manager they had for so many years? Are there indications they might be leaving warner too?

[W_FInkThePlatypusHunter]

Just now, petros said:

Random questions that came to my mind. When did the management change happen? Do we know why they chose to change the manager they had for so many years? Are there indications they might be leaving warner too?

I don’t know about any events/problems  prior to it, but I seem to recall it being speculated that festival incident from last tour was “the straw that broke the camel’s back”.

[Squashie]

2 minutes ago, petros said:

Random questions that came to my mind. When did the management change happen? Do we know why they chose to change the manager they had for so many years? Are there indications they might be leaving warner too?

Management changed in Aug 2017. I don't think they gave an official word as to why they left Pat.

[alienlifeform]

1 minute ago, petros said:

Random questions that came to my mind. When did the management change happen? Do we know why they chose to change the manager they had for so many years? Are there indications they might be leaving warner too?

2017 without no apparent reasons. Adeline Records died as Green Day split with Pat Magnarella, so things may have not been that friendly (this is me speculating)

[pacejunkie punk]

12 minutes ago, petros said:

Random questions that came to my mind. When did the management change happen? Do we know why they chose to change the manager they had for so many years? Are there indications they might be leaving warner too?

There are no indications they are leaving Warners. The new manager’s group (Crush Music) is actually a partner of or owned by Warners. 

[Lenny]

24 minutes ago, petros said:

Random questions that came to my mind. When did the management change happen? Do we know why they chose to change the manager they had for so many years? Are there indications they might be leaving warner too?

I believe the management change happened after Rev Rad's release. Anyone here got the exact date and details? 

Green Day did mention during Trilogy era that they attempted to have the trilogy count as 3 albums to fast track the 5 record deal they currently had set up with them. Warner reminded them the trilogy is only counted as 1 album as per their contract. Their actions and how they proceeded with Rev Rad also indicate such an attitude. It's self produced and recorded and only notified them when it was completely finished. 

If they counted the trilogy as 3 albums Rev Rad would have been the last Warner album from the band. 

[pacejunkie punk]

6 minutes ago, SnaggletoothRecords said:

I believe the management change happened after Rev Rad's release. Anyone here got the exact date and details? 

Green Day did mention during Trilogy era that they attempted to have the trilogy count as 3 albums to fast track the 5 record deal they currently had set up with them. Warner reminded them the trilogy is only counted as 1 album as per their contract. Their actions and how they proceeded with Rev Rad also indicate such an attitude. It's self produced and recorded and only notified them when it was completely finished. 

If they counted the trilogy as 3 albums Rev Rad would have been the last Warner album from the band. 

https://variety.com/2017/music/news/green-day-manager-pat-magnarella-split-after-21-years-1202522141/

[Squashie]

Interesting that the media counts the trilogy as their own records, therefore equating RevRad as release number 12, but Warner/Reprise doesn't. So technically RevRad is release number 10, no?

[Lenny]

34 minutes ago, Alf said:

2017 without no apparent reasons. Adeline Records died as Green Day split with Pat Magnarella, so things may have not been that friendly (this is me speculating)

This is interesting. It may have been on bad terms or the band may just want to take a different direction. Pat was the manager throughout a huge part of their success but essentially it was a different world of music back then. So many things have changed since.

Since then Pat has actually relaunched his management company: https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/pat-magnarella-management-relaunches-as-grndvw-1202963217/

Could have been issues with the structure of his business. Seems like they just needed to adjust to the modern landscape. Green Day is a huge project for him and probably would have been difficult to handle during his rebranding and change of structure. 

As for Adeline, it was never that large of a company. Most of what they were doing was handling vinyl releases of Green Day which are now fully distributed from Green Day directly anyways. Besides Green Day the most shipments that were made were probably the AFI records and the distribution deal may have been cancelled or changed. Not to mention there were several owners and the piece of the pie is probably not large enough for the amount of work it entails. 

Billie has also taken on Broken Guitars and Adrienne runs Atomic Garden. Could just be as simple as moving on to new and more exciting ventures. 

 

[WhiteTim]

23 minutes ago, SnaggletoothRecords said:

I believe the management change happened after Rev Rad's release. Anyone here got the exact date and details? 

Green Day did mention during Trilogy era that they attempted to have the trilogy count as 3 albums to fast track the 5 record deal they currently had set up with them. Warner reminded them the trilogy is only counted as 1 album as per their contract. Their actions and how they proceeded with Rev Rad also indicate such an attitude. It's self produced and recorded and only notified them when it was completely finished. 

If they counted the trilogy as 3 albums Rev Rad would have been the last Warner album from the band. 

That’s wrong on the 5 album deal Green Day has been doing an album by album deal with Warner since 2009 

[Lenny]

5 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

That’s wrong on the 5 album deal Green Day has been doing an album by album deal with Warner since 2009 

Any info on this where I can read further? Green Day directly mentioned in an interview the 3 albums didn't count as 3 on their deal. This is indicative that a multi-album deal was made and they mentioned directly trying to fast track it. 

 

Billie Joe to Rolling Stone: 

Do these three new albums count as one under your record contract – or three?
"One. Believe me, we asked. [Laughs] There was no getting around that. That was fine. The record company have been great about it, just stoked. People get so caught up in not trying to do something new and creative: “Let’s just put out an EP.” We said, “Let’s do the exact opposite, something dangerous and fun.” "

 

17 minutes ago, DadBod said:

Interesting that the media counts the trilogy as their own records, therefore equating RevRad as release number 12, but Warner/Reprise doesn't. So technically RevRad is release number 10, no?

This is the fuckery that major labels pull. Rev Rad is #12 Warner is just trying to protect their interests and trying to hold onto their cash cow lol 

I'd understand if it was 3 EPs that was equal to the length of a full length but they were all full length. This isn't like First Four from OFF

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

Interesting...I'd be stoked to see what would happen if they went independent.

[WhiteTim]

Just now, SnaggletoothRecords said:

Any info on this where I can read further? Green Day directly mentioned in an interview the 3 albums didn't count as 3 on their deal. This is indicative that a multi-album deal was made and they mentioned directly trying to fast track it. 

 

This is the fuckery that major labels pull. Rev Rad is #12 Warner is just trying to protect their interests and trying to hold onto their cash cow lol 

I'd understand if it was 3 EPs that was equal to the length of a full length but they were all full length. This isn't like First Four from OFF

In Guitar World he did mention that Warner  was counting the album as 1 album but then again so does Green Day as well with Mike telling the BBC “since the trilogy is one album that’s how we’re treating it for our shows” but he never said anything about counting anything towards their deal 

during a 21st era interview Billie mentioned that he was happy with Warner but that for the next albums they’d be going on an album by album basis as 21st completed their original contract 

[pacejunkie punk]

5 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Interesting...I'd be stoked to see what would happen if they went independent.

I wouldn’t. It sounds good and they may have more of their own resources now but  I’ve never seen a band do that and continue to thrive. All it would do is cut their visibility and audience down to a fraction of their size.

[Lenny]

2 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

In Guitar World he did mention that Warner  was counting the album as 1 album but then again so does Green Day as well with Mike telling the BBC “since the trilogy is one album that’s how we’re treating it for our shows” but he never said anything about counting anything towards their deal 

during a 21st era interview Billie mentioned that he was happy with Warner but that for the next albums they’d be going on an album by album basis as 21st completed their original contract 

yeah that's definitely conflicting.. maybe the band was trying to triple dip haha

 

[Squashie]

2 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I wouldn’t. It sounds good and they may have more of their own resources now but  I’ve never seen a band do that and continue to thrive. All it would do is cut their visibility and audience down to a fraction of their size.

Same. There's already a lot of comments here about their lack of/shitty publicity with RevRad. Why would you think going independent would be better? Sure, the management has some influence on media/publicity, but the record company does as well.

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

7 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I wouldn’t. It sounds good and they may have more of their own resources now but  I’ve never seen a band do that and continue to thrive. All it would do is cut their visibility and audience down to a fraction of their size.

It's true that it's a step away from mainstream, but that doesn't mean they couldn't continue making great music and wouldn't be successful (indie kind of successful lol).

1 minute ago, DadBod said:

Same. There's already a lot of comments here about their lack of/shitty publicity with RevRad. Why would you think going independent would be better? Sure, the management has some influence on media/publicity, but the record company does as well.

I don't care about publicity tbh. I mean, I expect major releases to have promotion but when they're already not doing any they may as well leave Warner

[pacejunkie punk]

Just now, Beerjeezus said:

It's true that it's a step away from mainstream, but that doesn't mean they couldn't continue making great music and wouldn't be successful (indie kind of successful lol).

They would make great music no matter what but would also sink into obscurity. I couldn’t handle that. It feels good to see them be successful and if we think it’s annoying now to hear people occasionally say “Green Day? Are they still together?” it would only get worse. 

If they went independent you’d have more RevRads and less ambitious sounding albums. The whole reason they joined a major in the first place was to have access to big studios, producers and engineers who could make them sound great. That hasn’t changed. 

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said:

They would make great music no matter what but would also sink into obscurity. I couldn’t handle that. It feels good to see them be successful and if we think it’s annoying now to hear people occasionally say “Green Day? Are they still together?” it would only get worse. 

I don't know. Like, I get what you're saying, but at the same time, in future, I'd be content with them playing theaters and keeping that level of fame while evolving musically, rather than living out of nostalgia playing hits to bigger crowds. I wouldn't see it as a step down.

[localinsomniac]

If they went full indie, the biggest change would be all of the studio time and marketing, merchandising, etc. coming out of pocket for the band. They've been pretty well successful over their career, but money is a finite resource. The well would run dry eventually.

As for their popularity waning, it wouldn't bother me. And that's kind of selfish on my part, but there you go. It would be really cool to see them playing smaller clubs for more intimate crowds again.

[Brutalitops]

If they really are becoming associated with Crush Music, then I don't think a drop in popularity is on the cards. 

My other favourite band (Weezer) joined Crush about 3 years ago and is responsible for their resurgence in recent years. That said, I'm well familiar with the double edged sword that is Crush and especially Butch Walker (produced Weezer's Pacific Daydream, a notoriously badly produced album among the Weez community) so I have to be a little cautious

[WhiteTim]

5 minutes ago, Brutalitops said:

If they really are becoming associated with Crush Music, then I don't think a drop in popularity is on the cards. 

My other favourite band (Weezer) joined Crush about 3 years ago and is responsible for their resurgence in recent years. That said, I'm well familiar with the double edged sword that is Crush and especially Butch Walker (produced Weezer's Pacific Daydream, a notoriously badly produced album among the Weez community) so I have to be a little cautious

Weezer had bad albums before Butch Walker worked with them...

[Squashie]

40 minutes ago, localinsomniac said:

As for their popularity waning, it wouldn't bother me. And that's kind of selfish on my part, but there you go. It would be really cool to see them playing smaller clubs for more intimate crowds again.

I'm going to be selfish and continue to want stadium shows. As much as I want to experience a club/theater show, I don't see them doing one in the Kansas City/Omaha, NE area (where I'm somewhat located).

[pacejunkie punk]

3 minutes ago, Brutalitops said:

If they really are becoming associated with Crush Music, then I don't think a drop in popularity is on the cards. 

My other favourite band (Weezer) joined Crush about 3 years ago and is responsible for their resurgence in recent years. That said, I'm well familiar with the double edged sword that is Crush and especially Butch Walker (produced Weezer's Pacific Daydream, a notoriously badly produced album among the Weez community) so I have to be a little cautious

I think this was very much part of their decision to sign with Crush at this time.  They seem very intent on beginning a new chapter of GD having come full circle.  They clearly still have ambitions and want to see where they can still go.  I think we could be seeing a very high profile promotional period.