Linda Perry on feeling disrespected by Green Day during 21CB recording

[gaslight13]

1 hour ago, LaughingClock said:

At the risk of sounding sexist, I'm gonna chime in.

Women in administrative offices are completely different than men. I am not saying one is better than the other but when I have to deal with an office situation, or when I hear about stories after someone is let go of the tour, company, whatever, how the boss women act vs the boss men is night and day.  In reality, while we should judge nobody based on who they are, who they are often does justify certain stereotypes (both good and bad ones), stereotypes aren't bad in and of themselves.  Semantically they just mean "characteristics broadly applied to a specific group of people" and that could be boy scouts or white people.

So women like to talk more. They go home to their husbands and discuss the politics of the tv show, office, production, and they can become more paranoid and they discuss it and they talk abbot work morale and shit like that and I suppose thats a good thing but men just want to come in, do whatever the fuck their job is and get out while making the day as fun as possible.  We don't sweat everything as much (at least from my vantage point). I have said, I truly believe women are the superior race but in the workforce, they are catty and stab each other in the back. I wouldn't trust my best friend in the women's workplace.  I've seen it too many times.  There is a lot of asshole men so I'm putting men on a pedestal, we've fucked everything up our own way.  It's time for women to lead but my wife holds a high position where she works and I can see it in what she says and the network she works at is a major one. (its owned by Viacom).  

I hope I don't come on sounding sexist here because I truly am not.  I honestly believe that women are the superior sex in almost all ways., but that is a major difference.  Much more talk, drama and cattiness at the office but they also hide it more which is nice.  Sometimes, I'd rather have a fake asshole than a real one.

I don’t think you’re being sexist in the sense of putting down either sex but I do think you’re over generalizing. This hasn’t been my experience at all gender-wise beyond what I’ve seen in the movies. Men and women truly aren’t inherently all that different. Even if some characteristics seem to show up more in women or men, there’s a lot of socialization factors like age, career, part of the world, etc. that create that in some parts of the population. That might be why you might have observed what you did in your post even though I’ve had a different experience. Our culture has an obsession with men being from mars and women being from Venus but it’s really kind of a self fulfilling prophecy (people behave how they’re conditioned to behave) but otherwise it’s mostly nonsense we’ve been taught to believe the same way we are/were taught that women belong in the kitchen or that blue is a boy color. Don’t buy into it  

it’s easy. Treat everyone based on their individual qualities not their gender which is only one small aspect of who they are. It’s really not that hard you just have to check yourself when you catch your behavior changing when you’re talking to a woman vs a man. 

[Sanity Loan]

So, this chick was asked, basically, if a male/female moment has affected her career. She said "no" but then went on this rant about Green Day and implied they didn't go with her because she's a female. But then, at the end of her answer, she reiterated that this wasn't a male vs female moment. So, which is it and why tell the story if it didn't answer or even relate to the question?

[LaughingClock]

10 hours ago, gaslight13 said:

I don’t think you’re being sexist in the sense of putting down either sex but I do think you’re over generalizing. This hasn’t been my experience at all gender-wise beyond what I’ve seen in the movies. Men and women truly aren’t inherently all that different. Even if some characteristics seem to show up more in women or men, there’s a lot of socialization factors like age, career, part of the world, etc. that create that in some parts of the population. That might be why you might have observed what you did in your post even though I’ve had a different experience. Our culture has an obsession with men being from mars and women being from Venus but it’s really kind of a self fulfilling prophecy (people behave how they’re conditioned to behave) but otherwise it’s mostly nonsense we’ve been taught to believe the same way we are/were taught that women belong in the kitchen or that blue is a boy color. Don’t buy into it  

it’s easy. Treat everyone based on their individual qualities not their gender which is only one small aspect of who they are. It’s really not that hard you just have to check yourself when you catch your behavior changing when you’re talking to a woman vs a man. 

I do definitely treat everyone how they should on their own merits and even more often than not,

it is not my statement that women in the workplace ARE this way but the administrative side of network television and administrative stuff in the talent offices, agencies and the like, there is just no denying in California, in this industry anyway, women simply act (interact with one another yin/yang difference) from men to women.

Im not even making a judgement of how but it's wholly different. Men are fucking ass holes more than women. Not all but there are A LOT of men assholes. Some women ones too but less. But politics wise, I'm not over generalizing, it's night and day. To be honest, if you want equal, what I'm saying is women have the same business killer extinct as men. Good or bad, that's true. They manifest it differently and I've always known a lot of very powerful women in LA.

The "boys club" In LA is a myth relic. In fact I know more women in powerful administrative both executive and creative for decades. ESPECIALLY now.

Zero judgment here and if anything, positive towards feminists (unless you're one that think we're exactly equal). Never have figured out how people think we aren't different. I mean we can open the mayonnaise jar without even trying  lol jk, sorta.

Im 100% for equal pay, globally for everyone for one example. I want a female president (for most countries). I think as mothers, they are more natural leaders. 

At the risk of pandering, I'm gonna say something true. I think women are a piece of art by the hand of the universe. Sometimes a stare at a woman I admire in awe of inside and outside beauty it amazes me. Ok, that sounded creepy. Lol. LSD and mushrooms made my mind expand to do different things and think differently, MDMA (Molly, extaay) did the same for me emotionally. I don't think I could ever be labeled sexists because I worship women for real but I'm a realist who sometimes says the non PC thing. Make sense? Usually means I should say nothing.

[DeJennsitized]

The amount of mansplaining in this thread... women don’t need to be told why we’re “not equal” or why “modern feminism” is bad. It’s easy to see that the situation isn’t related to misogyny, as it was pretty unique (shitty but not exclusionary). We don’t need to be pandered to, just fucking treated the same and not belittled. As has been said in the Feminists thread, men don’t see equality in the same way because society has influenced the status quo so women getting equal treatment is seen as an imbalance. I know this is off topic but I wasn’t the one who led it off topic so 🤷‍♀️ 

*waits for the men to respond in outrage*

[MillenniumFan]

2 hours ago, ¡Jenn! said:

The amount of mansplaining in this thread... women don’t need to be told why we’re “not equal” or why “modern feminism” is bad. It’s easy to see that the situation isn’t related to misogyny, as it was pretty unique (shitty but not exclusionary). We don’t need to be pandered to, just fucking treated the same and not belittled. As has been said in the Feminists thread, men don’t see equality in the same way because society has influenced the status quo so women getting equal treatment is seen as an imbalance. I know this is off topic but I wasn’t the one who led it off topic so 🤷‍♀️ 

*waits for the men to respond in outrage*

First of all, I don't want to get caught up too much in identity politics, because it can be a sensitiv topic (understandably so), but just a couple things:

I can see where you're coming from, but I actually think calling this ''man-splaining'' is slightly bigoted and also not very productive. I firmly believe that one way of fighting against sexism (or any kind of discrimination based on arbitrary traits) is to simply not bring up gender (or race, ethnicity etc.). Using such terms is doing the opposite. I'm not going to play the false equivalence song and dance by falsely equating this to the sexism a lot of women face in their everyday life, that's obviously something entirely different (f.o. men's rights activists lol), but it I don't agree with it nonetheless...

And just to clarify: whenever I might talk about third wave feminism (or intersectionality), I will treat it as a frame of mind (or ideology, though that term has a too negative connotation for my liking) with a set of beliefs that any individual (female or male) can hold and I take the freedom to critize that, not women in general (or even most women). As you said, women are of course individuals (sounds silly saying the obvious lol), therefore, not all women necessarily agree with third-wave feminism in it's entirety or feel represented by it. And they should of course have the right to do so. 

Otherwise, I agree with what you said.

 

[DeJennsitized]

7 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

First of all, I don't want to get caught up too much in identity politics, because it can be a sensitiv topic (understandably so), but just a couple things:

I can see where you're coming from, but I actually think calling this ''man-splaining'' is slightly bigoted and also not very productive. I firmly believe that one way of fighting against sexism (or any kind of discrimination based on arbitrary traits) is to simply not bring up gender (or race, ethnicity etc.). Using such terms is doing the opposite. I'm not going to play the false equivalence song and dance by falsely equating this to the sexism a lot of women face in their everyday life, that's obviously something entirely different (f.o. men's rights activists lol), but it I don't agree with it nonetheless...

And just to clarify: whenever I might talk about third wave feminism (or intersectionality), I will treat it as a frame of mind (or ideology, though that term has a too negative connotation for my liking) with a set of beliefs that any individual (female or male) can hold and take the freedom to critize that, not women in general (or even most women). As you said, women are of course individuals (sounds silly saying the obvious lol), therefore, not all women necessarily agree with third-wave feminism in it's entirety or feel represented by it. And they should of course have the right to do so. 

Otherwise, I agree with what you said.

 

I appreciate agreeing with me, but the mansplaining thing is just a term for when men try to explain something to women, assuming they’re more knowledgeable. It’s a pretty common phenomenon even if the term itself is annoying. Everything else, fair enough!

[Christian's Inferno!]

12 minutes ago, ¡Jenn! said:

I appreciate agreeing with me, but the mansplaining thing is just a term for when men try to explain something to women, assuming they’re more knowledgeable. It’s a pretty common phenomenon even if the term itself is annoying. Everything else, fair enough!

I can't take anybody seriously if they use the term "mansplain"

[DeJennsitized]

35 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I can't take anybody seriously if they use the term "mansplain"

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