The Longshot

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8 minutes ago, Joe. said:

Yup, how people can feel hurt by a private instagram account is confusing beyond belief. If theres new music it'll be released publicly, no-one has been purposely excluded. The band are clearly choosing to leak information in very small quantities, very slowly. All new posts get shared on here pretty quickly, just because you didn't see it first doesn't mean you've not seen it. 

To be honest, the whole only letting a few people thing see it just seems stupid to me. Like, what's the point exactly? Everyone is seeing it anyway. And it's not a big deal to me, and I like the mystery aspect (sucker for this stuff; mysteries are the best), but wouldn't it be easier to just make it public??? I think I am missing a point here. Tbh I'm just excited to see what the hell is going on soon.

I'm not sure why some people feel like this is a personal offense, but it seems silly to me; I guess. I love the asthetic of the released images though. The font of the Longshot on the black and white photos is beautiful. 

[Hermione]

2 minutes ago, E X H A U S T E D said:

To be honest, the whole only letting a few people thing see it just seems stupid to me. Like, what's the point exactly? Everyone is seeing it anyway. And it's not a big deal to me, and I like the mystery aspect (sucker for this stuff; mysteries are the best), but wouldn't it be easier to just make it public??? I think I am missing a point here. Tbh I'm just excited to see what the hell is going on soon.

I'm not sure why some people feel like this is a personal offense, but it seems silly to me; I guess. I love the asthetic of the released images though. The font of the Longshot on the black and white photos is beautiful. 

To keep it low key. If they announce it to everyone as Green Day's new side project it gets reported on and becomes a big thing that everyone knows about. The point of these side projects is to do things more quietly and be able to play smaller/more intimate shows etc without as much craziness as if they did it as Green Day, so they keep it cryptic/sneaky to keep it that way.

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1 minute ago, Hermione said:

To keep it low key. If they announce it to everyone as Green Day's new side project it gets reported on and becomes a big thing that everyone knows about. The point of these side projects is to do things more quietly and be able to play smaller/more intimate shows etc without as much craziness as if they did it as Green Day, so they keep it cryptic/sneaky to keep it that way.

I guess... but it does seem like they're enjoying hyping it a little bit. Whatever. A more intimate show is probably nice for them though; without all the expectations of Green Day, and new songs, more interactions, more chance to do what they want, etc.

 

Makes sense! Also the level of secrecy is high-key impressive!

[Hermione]

1 minute ago, E X H A U S T E D said:

I guess... but it does seem like they're enjoying hyping it a little bit. Whatever. A more intimate show is probably nice for them though; without all the expectations of Green Day, and new songs, more interactions, more chance to do what they want, etc.

 

Oh yeah I think they have fun teasing us as well , it's a combination of that and keeping things low key. All the stuff they're posting is being shared around anyway so we're not actually missing anything and I'm sure they're aware it's being shared and don't mind that, I don't think making it exclusive for some random fans is the motive. 

And yeah I think that's the main appeal of doing these side projects. Just simply using a different name to Green Day makes all the difference to the amount of attention they get.

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19 minutes ago, E X H A U S T E D said:

 I love the asthetic of the released images though. The font of the Longshot on the black and white photos is beautiful

I'm a quote myself here... anyone agree??? I just find it gorgeous. 

[localinsomniac]

1 hour ago, DookieLukie said:

Man, if I were in Green Day and read some of the entitlement on this forum, I'd probably want to hide my new music too.

I've expressed a similar sentiment in other threads. It's off the charts.

25 minutes ago, E X H A U S T E D said:

To be honest, the whole only letting a few people thing see it just seems stupid to me. Like, what's the point exactly? Everyone is seeing it anyway. And it's not a big deal to me, and I like the mystery aspect (sucker for this stuff; mysteries are the best), but wouldn't it be easier to just make it public??? I think I am missing a point here. Tbh I'm just excited to see what the hell is going on soon.

I'm not sure why some people feel like this is a personal offense, but it seems silly to me; I guess. I love the asthetic of the released images though. The font of the Longshot on the black and white photos is beautiful. 

Agreed. I do think the privacy on the Instagram account is stupid, just not stupid enough to be upset by it.

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

9 minutes ago, localinsomniac said:

I've expressed a similar sentiment in other threads. It's off the charts.

Agreed. I do think the privacy on the Instagram account is stupid, just not stupid enough to be upset by it.

I disagree that it’s stupid. I think it serves exactly its intended purpose. 

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

1 hour ago, E X H A U S T E D said:

To be honest, the whole only letting a few people thing see it just seems stupid to me. Like, what's the point exactly? 

We're still talking about it, aren't we? If it was public, that probably wouldn't be the case.

It's to shroud it in...

Mystery.

[localinsomniac]

57 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said:

I disagree that it’s stupid. I think it serves exactly its intended purpose. 

I'm guessing the intended purpose was to generate discussion and speculation, which it is certainly doing. I still think it's silly 😆

[emmericanidiot]

I really don’t think anyone feels entitled to anything but people are allowed to feel out of the loop/left out if they want to 🤷🏼‍♀️ It’s how you choose to behave that’s the thing, I don’t see anyone being aggressive or upset about it so can’t we just let people feel whatever they want? 

[Joe.]

8 minutes ago, emmericanidiot said:

I really don’t think anyone feels entitled to anything but people are allowed to feel out of the loop/left out if they want to 🤷🏼‍♀️ It’s how you choose to behave that’s the thing, I don’t see anyone being aggressive or upset about it so can’t we just let people feel whatever they want? 

When the vast majority of people are "out of the loop" despite having the same information as everyone else (just they're getting it a couple minutes later) this feeing is a bit of an overreaction

[The Bellie]

2 hours ago, WhiteTim said:

I don’t recall ever saying that it was your argument

I know, still I wanted to say my position about this argument. Same goes for my answers below:

2 hours ago, Joe. said:

Yup, how people can feel hurt by a private instagram account is confusing beyond belief. If theres new music it'll be released publicly, no-one has been purposely excluded. The band are clearly choosing to leak information in very small quantities, very slowly. All new posts get shared on here pretty quickly, just because you didn't see it first doesn't mean you've not seen it. 

I agree no one is really excluded, I trust information will come, and in my case, as long as they play gigs in the US where I can't go for now, I don't care whether I'm the first to see the information or not. I don't myself feel hurt or take anything personally I just don't like the fact that this private account and all the mystery in the posts unavoidably leads the fandom who wants to know more to hang on more on social media, which I don't feel comfortable with. I would like some clearer and more direct information as to rest a bit from the internet craziness. I can understand that my way of feeling may not be the majority though.

2 hours ago, DookieLukie said:

Man, if I were in Green Day and read some of the entitlement on this forum, I'd probably want to hide my new music too.

May I genuinely ask why? (although I don't think they're hiding, more playing with us.) To me this forum most of all shows how much we are driven crazy by Green Day, but how could that make them want to hide new stuff from us...

[emmericanidiot]

2 minutes ago, Joe. said:

When the vast majority of people are "out of the loop" despite having the same information as everyone else (just they're getting it a couple minutes later) this feeing is a bit of an overreaction

Yeah but people can feel whatever they want to feel. It still doesn’t mean they’re feeling ‘entitled’ to anything.

[Joe.]

10 minutes ago, emmericanidiot said:

Yeah but people can feel whatever they want to feel. It still doesn’t mean they’re feeling ‘entitled’ to anything.

However that is how it comes across, as @DookieLukie said

[The Bellie]

8 minutes ago, Joe. said:

When the vast majority of people are "out of the loop" despite having the same information as everyone else (just they're getting it a couple minutes later) this feeing is a bit of an overreaction

Personally, I don't care if i can even reach the account or not, it's not the matter since we all get the information as you say. Because it's possible to get it indirectly and as we want to, we get it. But the way it works to have information in this indirect way is kinda stressful to me. When I see what you kept of all the arguments developed on this thread of a few people not having 100% fun at this, I'm telling myself that probably some stuff is not understandable 

[Joe.]

23 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said:

Personally, I don't care if i can even reach the account or not, it's not the matter since we all get the information as you say. Because it's possible to get it indirectly and as we want to, we get it. But the way it works to have information in this indirect way is kinda stressful to me. When I see what you kept of all the arguments developed on this thread of a few people not having 100% fun at this, I'm telling myself that probably some stuff is not understandable 

Ok, I apologise that the band haven't been direct and should have to release all the information in one go for the fans. They should have no control over how/when they announce anything

[The Bellie]

7 hours ago, squashie09 said:

I'm trying to understand your side of this but I'm a little confused on your comments. Your problem isn't with the private account but how news is filtered out to the public via the internet?

Also, pacejunkie punk has shared all of the posts that the Longshot account has up via a link right here in this thread. 

I'm seeing your post only now, I hope my further posts made my position clearer; I'm probably repeating myself but, let's say that, as I practicallyonly hang on GDC and Billie's Instagram as for social media, if I wasn't on GDC, I would not have been aware of the photos. That goes for me because I'm everything but a social media freak, and I don't like when information has to go even deeper (and exclusively, as things are now) by that way... which is a consequence of, notably, the account being private. 

11 minutes ago, Joe. said:

Ok, I apologise that the band haven't been direct and should have to release all the information in one go for the fans. They should have no control over how/when they announce anything

Ok, you're being cynical; I've never said that the band should do this or that, and I don't pretend to understand or even try to understand their purpose that much, I'm just expressing the best I can what I feel in this particular situation, whether people like it, or understand it, or not. I feel kinda disadvantaged from not being at my ease at all with social media, anyways not enough to go looking for stuff by myself when an account is private. 3rd time I'm saying it, I'm really happy to be on GDC for that. The stuff I wouldn't have found otherwise is there.

[pacejunkie punk]

49 minutes ago, Joe. said:

Ok, I apologise that the band haven't been direct and should have to release all the information in one go for the fans. They should have no control over how/when they announce anything

You’re taking the point to the extreme, there’s no need to be that sarcastic. Of course no one is saying this but a response like yours just shuts down any debate. Personally, I thought this was an interesting discussion. Not sure why it’s getting some people so riled up. 

[Squashie]

@Kuromignonne I understand you now. Social media is a beast that I have taken a step back from in the last 2 years. Instagram is the one that I still find fun and carefree. I wish twitter was still that way.

@pacejunkie punk I agree that this was an interesting discussion. Open-mindedness to others views need to happen more in our world.

[Q-Man]

Man this thread went from being excited about the mystery they are having fun with to everyone arguing about entitlement and being out of the loop really quickly. 

[aydge89]

Yeah we've heard the arguments for and against keeping it private a dozen times. Lets get back to what it could be.

[pacejunkie punk]

I’d love to go back to speculating but we have so little to go on. An album of original songs, reworked older songs, etc. arriving in a week or two? That’s all I got.  Band members are anyone’s guess.

I’m most excited to hear what he’s done with Body Bag. I love that song so much, I wish it had been on RevRad instead of OW. It would have been a similar note to end on but more darkly funny.

[Joe.]

8 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

You’re taking the point to the extreme, there’s no need to be that sarcastic. Of course no one is saying this but a response like yours just shuts down any debate. Personally, I thought this was an interesting discussion. Not sure why it’s getting some people so riled up. 

I have admittedly taken the argument to an extreme point, but to my eyes there's not really a debate to be had.

The band are clearly releasing the information in a covert way to make as many fans aware about this as possible whilst not alerting any media outlets. The points raised about information being difficult to access is the whole point of having the private Instagram account - this new whatever-it-is is meant to be secretive at the moment, not exclusive.

That being said, I've not purposely shut down any debate and I do genuinely apologise to anyone that thinks I have done, I just question the reasoning behind the opposition to this way that information is being released. Social media is something the band members all enjoy and I honestly can't think of any other way to subtly leak information to fans without it somehow ending up in the media. Yes I can see the point that it could exclude some fans, but realistically most fans that aren't on social media either: are on here/GDA or aren't interested enough. How else could the band set up this project in a more covert way without the use of social media?

Again, apologies for shutting down of debate etc. as that wasn't my intention- I see the other side of the argument, however to me there's not really an alternative to what the band are doing, which is why the complaints about it confuse me.

[Hermione]

I just don't get how anyone here feels "out of the loop", when we've seen literally everything the "exclusive" people who've randomly been added have seen since they've shared it all. What is anyone missing? We're all the people who've figured this out and know about it and are following it....we're in the loop  

 

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Forcibly changing the subject now... ANYONE ELSE AS MUCH OF A FAN OFVTHE RELEASED ARTWORK AS ME?