pacejunkie punk Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 I wouldn’t want them to be A list Beyonce big though. It sounds nice in theory but there’s no way they could reach that level of mass appeal and not have it change their sound. I’m just amazed they’re as big as they are considering all the experts said punk would never sell.
Joe. Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 9 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Well the top photo is from London 2013 so the Trilogy tour and the bottom photo is Hyde Park which was a festival. Yes they are still around, but the reality is they don't sell out massive arenas for several nights in a row in the same city as they did in 2004/5 for example. Who gives a fuck. Exactly. They're a smaller band than they were 10 years ago 9 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: I wouldn’t want them to be A list Beyonce big though. It sounds nice in theory but there’s no way they could reach that level of mass appeal and not have it change their sound. I’m just amazed they’re as big as they are considering all the experts said punk would never sell. But their "poppiest" moment came with the trilogy, when they were less popular?
Cunt Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 19 hours ago, JoeFrusciante said:Not like Run was a well produced, more sophisticated song than most other rock releases this year I didn’t say it wasn’t. It’s just that every single award show, whether or not they’re nominated, Dave Fucking Grohl has his hand in it somehow. There’s no damn reason why say Run for Cover by The Killers, Best Thing About Me by U2, or Bang Bang shouldn’t be nominated since those songs are just as good if not better than Run.
CherryBombs&Gasoline Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Seriously, who cares? The tour through South America was a massive successs, they played a lot of big festivals in Europe, isn't that good enough? It's true that they are not as popular and/or commercially successful as they were back in 2005. But the same goes for a lot of other rock bands like the Chili Peppers, The Kings of Leon, Blink 182, etc. Times have changed. Rock music isn't as popular as it once was. And a lot of artists that are categorized as rock or alternative have a very, VERY different sound than Green Day (21 Pilots or Coldplay, for instance). To be very honest with you, I don't want Billie Joe to become as omnipresent as fucking Chris Martin. I don't want their shows to look like a thirteen year old teenager on speed designed the stage set, with balloons and glitter everywhere (sorry Coldplay). They are a rock band! I agree, I think Bang Bang would have deserved a nomination. But RevRad wasn't the biggest commercial success of their career. It performed decently, but not more. But that's okay for me, they have nothing to prove anymore. Yes, I'd love to see a commercial comeback after RevRad was a critical comeback. But if it doesn't happen, I'm fine either. What really matters is that they keep making good music.
Joe. Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Cunt said: I didn’t say it wasn’t. It’s just that every single award show, whether or not they’re nominated, Dave Fucking Grohl has his hand in it somehow. There’s no damn reason why say Run for Cover by The Killers, Best Thing About Me by U2, or Bang Bang shouldn’t be nominated since those songs are just as good if not better than Run. Again, because they're all in the comfort zone of their bands whilst run is a slight change
PeculiarName Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 I was surprised there was no nomination for "Bang Bang" but ah well! They had a killer Rev Rad Tour and they're still showing no signs of slowing down so maybe next time!
Cunt Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 10 hours ago, JoeFrusciante said: Again, because they're all in the comfort zone of their bands whilst run is a slight change Not really, no.
Stefano Bras Posted December 3, 2017 Posted December 3, 2017 On 30/11/2017 at 10:13 AM, gaslight13 said: I don’t mean EVERYONE has that reaction. I just mean those who aren’t fans don’t react negatively, they’re just more likely to be surprised the band still exists. You don’t have to convince me they still have tons of fans, haha. (Sorry mods, can’t delete pics because I’m posting via my phone). I know haha, I just wanted to point out that people that say that kind of stuff are a bunch of idiots, since Green Day still manages to fill arenas with thousands of fans. On 30/11/2017 at 11:13 AM, Brooklyn Baby said: Mmmmm Green Day did not attract hundreds of thousands of new fans with RevRad. Green Day consistently pulls thousands of fans for shows because they're an iconic rock band with multi-generational appeal, a very strong stage presence, and incredible showmanship. They have a strong and loyal fanbase that they created when they made two ground-breaking, music-world-changing albums with songs that have remained staples on the rock radio rotation. Bang Bang is not and never will be something that enjoys regular air-time in the way that Holiday, Basketcase, Brain Stew, or Welcome to Paradise do. Green Day did not attract massive crowds on their latest tour because their latest album is just that good, they attracted those crowds because their live shows are that good. People don't go to a Green Day show to hear "Forever Now," they go to hear American Idiot. When did I ever said something about RevRad being the reason people go see them? Anyways, Even though, I agree that people don't go to Green Day's gigs just because of Revolution Radio, it's undeniable that if their latest record would have been a horrid album people would have eventually stopped following them and going to their concerts, which has not happened. Bang Bang will not enjoy the same air-time in the way that the songs you mentioned do simply because in the music industry "their peak passed" not because Bang Bang isn't good enough necessarily. The point is that I don't believe everyone keeps on having an interest in Green Day solely for Dookie or American Idiot as you claim, people don't keep going to their concerts for mere nostalgia, they keep going because they're still invested in the music the fell in love with in the past, the music they have recently done and in the music they will make in the future. Spoiler I now I'm being fussy but I would totally go to a concert to hear Forever Now rather than American Idiot (there is something about new songs being played live) , I literally quite did in February On 1/12/2017 at 4:24 AM, JoeFrusciante said: But their "poppiest" moment came with the trilogy, when they were less popular? Have you ever heard Warning? For me that's way poppier and folkish than the trilogy which has so many different songs (Let Yourself Go, Makeout Party, Wow! That's Loud) so it's quite the chore to label it.
Cunt Posted December 3, 2017 Posted December 3, 2017 On 12/1/2017 at 3:10 AM, CherryBombs&Gasoline said: To be very honest with you, I don't want Billie Joe to become as omnipresent as fucking Chris Martin. I don't want their shows to look like a thirteen year old teenager on speed designed the stage set, with balloons and glitter everywhere I love this👍
okotavio Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Nothing to do with the Grammys but I always thought AI's commercial success was on purpose. He wanted to get bigger so he wrote bigger songs. If they wanted to put out a massive seller record again I believe they could. The question is if they do want that again... And I believe it's fine the way they're doing you know? When I was waiting for them to show up at their hotel in Rio I was thinking that the next time they come to South America there might be less people waiting for them so I'll be able to have a real conversation with them and not a fans-screaming-for-selfies situation (like it was this time). It might look a little selfish but I'm happy if they keep putting out "just nice" records only to be around and to have a reason to keep touring (because hell we know they seem to hate touring without a new record). So why not? I'll always keep loving them no matter what.
pacejunkie punk Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, Otávio Vidal said: Nothing to do with the Grammys but I always thought AI's commercial success was on purpose. He wanted to get bigger so he wrote bigger songs. If they wanted to put out a massive seller record again I believe they could. The question is If they do want that again... Sort of on purpose. It was joked about in the Spotify documentary I think that Mike had made this announcement to a friend that “We’ve decided we want to play stadiums” as if that were something any band could just decide to do. They knew the kind of music they had to write to play stadiums but that didn’t mean it wasn’t hard and a huge longshot that might not have paid off. They just went for it but the work was tremendous both in the writing and recording. I do think they have the ability to do that again but I agree the question is do they want to. It’s not that they’re afraid of hard work, but AI took a huge personal and emotional toll on all three of them. Do they want to risk things like marriages and sobriety and mental health all over again to create another mega project? I’m sure they would love a massive selling record but at what cost?
Hermione Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 9 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: Sort of on purpose. It was joked about in the Spotify documentary I think that Mike had made this announcement to a friend that “We’ve decided we want to play stadiums” as if that were something any band could just decide to do. They knew the kind of music they had to write to play stadiums but that didn’t mean it wasn’t hard and a huge longshot that might not have paid off. They just went for it but the work was tremendous both in the writing and recording. I do think they have the ability to do that again but I agree the question is do they want to. It’s not that they’re afraid of hard work, but AI took a huge personal and emotional toll on all three of them. Do they want to risk things like marriages and sobriety and mental health all over again to create another mega project? I’m sure they would love a massive selling record but at what cost? I don't know if it was AI itself that took the toll, I think it was more just where they were at as a band. They had troubles when they were working on C&V and it all came to a head, and if anything it sounds like deciding to push themselves to make a great and ambitious record is what saved them, it energized and united them again. It sounds like making 21st CB was more difficult, they were miserable at times and kept trying to perfect it obsessively. And the trilogy must've taken a lot too just because of the amount of songs. I think whatever type of project they do it's going to take a lot of effort and some struggle, but that's just the nature of what they do. As long as it was what they wanted and they were happy as a band I think they could do a big album.
Brooklyn Baby Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 lol I'm not trying to argue that ppl hate Green Day now or should hate Green Day or whatever, dang. Just pointing out that they aren't drawing massive crowds purely on the basis of revrad
stories and songs Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 Re: The conversation about Green Day "wanting" to make another huge album — I think that's largely dependent on what's charting well these days, and that's certainly not rock 'n' roll. American Idiot was an outstanding album, but there's little doubt in my mind that the more rock-friendly climate at that time helped its popularity. It's all cyclical and rock will regain popularity again, I'm sure. But it's not entirely up to the band whether or not they have a massive success on their hands. They could write something twice as good as American Idiot and if most listeners are into rap at the time, it's not going to be a commercial success.
DookieLukie Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 I still get slight bits of excitement when Green Day is popular/in the media. Not nearly as much as I did in high school, voting for them in meaningless poles and what not. Mainly, I'd prefer a commercial failure of an album with great songs. Honestly, songs nowadays don't really transcend into pop culture as much as they used to. There's so much music and so many formats to listen that it all gets lost. Unless you are Beyonce or T Swift, no one knows you dropped an album. And songs don't really get much popularity across different groups of people unless they enter "meme" status, like Drake's dance in Hotline Bling or that "Hello" meme from Adele's song. Just make good music, GD. Albums don't make you profit anyway.
Joe. Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 9 hours ago, DookieLukie said: I still get slight bits of excitement when Green Day is popular/in the media. Not nearly as much as I did in high school, voting for them in meaningless poles and what not. Mainly, I'd prefer a commercial failure of an album with great songs. Honestly, songs nowadays don't really transcend into pop culture as much as they used to. There's so much music and so many formats to listen that it all gets lost. Unless you are Beyonce or T Swift, no one knows you dropped an album. And songs don't really get much popularity across different groups of people unless they enter "meme" status, like Drake's dance in Hotline Bling or that "Hello" meme from Adele's song. Just make good music, GD. Albums don't make you profit anyway. So many people would get triggered if they did that though
BullwinkleCheech Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 Maybe it didn't get nominated because not everybody likes it as much as a forum filled with Green Day lovers? I mean, in the end whether a song is 'good' or 'bad' is all a matter of opinion. I like the song, but I don't find it completely unbelievable that it didn't get nominated. Not everybody's world revolves around GD
pacejunkie punk Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 2 hours ago, BullwinkleCheech said: Not everybody's world revolves around GD Their lives must be so empty
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