Green Day is already going straight into the studio?

[Hermione]

59 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

Hmm, that probably means it's not going to be a concept album though, right? Thanks for the video link btw.

Still could be, they had some songs written for 21st CB years in advance (can't remember all the details but I think Horseshoes and Handgrenades was written in like 2003). And I believe the idea of WMUWSE came before they had the idea for AI. Songs they've written now could end up fitting into a concept album, or just bits of them could be used, or they could be scrapped. Or they could even already be part of a concept album! The possibilities are endless. 

[pacejunkie punk]

I hope they don’t do another concept album. It’s getting to be something they’re known for and I’d rather they do the unexpected and not repeat themselves.

[pouty bitch]

3 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I hope they don’t do another concept album. It’s getting to be something they’re known for and I’d rather they do the unexpected and not repeat themselves.

Same! I was never really a fan of the concept albums anyway tbh. Most of the time, the story lines just don't make sense. I understand the story line of AI, except WMUWSE just doesn't really to fit into it, and I can't get my head round the 21stCB story line - it seems to be all over the place. I would like the new album to be fresh.

[MillenniumFan]

1 hour ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

Same! I was never really a fan of the concept albums anyway tbh. Most of the time, the story lines just don't make sense. I understand the story line of AI, except WMUWSE just doesn't really to fit into it

That's because WMUWSE is in some sense an excursion from the (admittedly already slightly vague) plot. It's first and foremost a more personal song (the death of Billie's father, the parallel to 9/11 etc.). But it's therefore also a reflective and very thoughtful song. It's thinking about your past, about what makes you you, including all the painful memories that you have, but also about embracing these very things and then looking forward towards the future. It is in that sense, the perfect song to precede Homecoming (more precisely: 1. The death of St. Jimmy) as it lays out the necessary last ''cognitive process'', before JOS/St. Jimmy comes to his final conclusion and then definitively decides to go home.

1 hour ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

and I can't get my head round the 21stCB story line - it seems to be all over the place.

I agree, that's why I think it was a lot less well executed than American Idiot. However, musically (the instrumentation, arrangement, lyrical topics etc.) I still think it's better than anything else they've released since then.

1 hour ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

I would like the new album to be fresh.

That's not a bad point. I mean, I can't say that I don't want them to go in a new direction or try out new things, but I did quite enjoy the two concept albums. I think that was actually probably the best of the ''new'' Green Day (postmillennial / Warning). But I'm of course interested to see where they take it next...

[Christian's Inferno!]

I agree that the 21CB storyline is kind of all over the place but I don't mind it. It's more about the music itself to me and I like how it's up for interpretation. But really, the plot is just a small part of why the album is so great to me. Musically, I think it's GD's best and I don't think there's a single bad song on it

[pouty bitch]

Don't get me wrong, I do love 21stCB, I just find it difficult to view it as a "concept album" when the story line doesn't make sense. They're perfectly capable of writing songs that are amazing both musically and lyrically, they don't then have to link them into a story that doesn't fit too well. I think it's more effective if they just write an album that isn't a concept album.

[Christian's Inferno!]

5 minutes ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

Don't get me wrong, I do love 21stCB, I just find it difficult to view it as a "concept album" when the story line doesn't make sense. They're perfectly capable of writing songs that are amazing both musically and lyrically, they don't then have to link them into a story that doesn't fit too well. I think it's more effective if they just write an album that isn't a concept album.

Hey there's a lot of other albums that get labelled as "concept albums" when they make a lot less sense. I mean, for 21CB I think there is still clearly some sort of storyline, it's just not apparent what it is

[gaslight13]

Do concept albums necessarily have to have a linear story line? Don’t the songs just all have to relate in some capacity? 

[pacejunkie punk]

44 minutes ago, gaslight13 said:

Do concept albums necessarily have to have a linear story line? Don’t the songs just all have to relate in some capacity? 

Yeah it’s a very loose thing. Sgt Pepper qualifies as a concept album just because it has fictional characters and an intro and outro that ties back in. That’s practically all you need. If you have a complete story like Tommy that’s great but you don’t have to.

[GDInsaniac]

I dont care what they do, as long as they do the theatre tour again and play all the b sides ill be happy.

[Thatsername]

5 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Yeah it’s a very loose thing. Sgt Pepper qualifies as a concept album just because it has fictional characters and an intro and outro that ties back in. That’s practically all you need. If you have a complete story like Tommy that’s great but you don’t have to.

What’s so great about AI and 21CB is that they are clearly concept albums, but the songs also work on their own. That’s not the case with most of Tommy, you have to listen to it from start to finish to get it (and that’s not a bad thing, I love it very very much!). But I love that the AI and 21CB songs have a very strong message on their own and also as a whole, like Quadrophenia. I just love concept albums, I would love to get another one from the boys ❤️

[chrism17]

Honestly, my guilty pleasure would be a huge, explosive, expansive, crazy, high concept album with a story and overarching themes and motifs and I'd want them to totally own it. I don't really want a "back to basics again but not really, hey we just made some songs and here they are guys, shucks" album. I don't think they will do another AI or 21cb thing again though. In the end I am just glad they are still around giving us great music and will continue to do so for a long time.

[MillenniumFan]

Yeah, I'd like them to take a risk with the next album. RevRad was back to basics, I don't want the next album to be that. What if it goes wrong? Well, I've heard the trilogy, I've heard Nightlife, I've heard Linkin Park's newest album. I think I'm prepared. Bring it on!

[LaughingClock]

Listen, I know from a very good source that they plan on going into the studio as soon as they can.  They very much want to right now.

They need a break.  They can't come off the road on a tour like they just did and go directly into the studio.  Have you ever watched a documentary or seen an actual recording of an album?  It's a tour unto itself.  It's singing daily.  It's practicing and figuring things out.  In most ways, it's actually almost as taxing as touring. In a different way, but the process is long and tiresome.  They need to see their families, rest their voices, be Dads, husbands and shit.  If I had 80 at home, I would never leave, let alone not visit her.   They plan on hitting the studio ASAP,  this I can promise you.

And if this post ends up on some Italian forum and every GD geek head starts posting it on FB, I can't help that.  I wish I could tell you the DATE.  Fuck, I wish I knew as much as you guys. I'm a fucking fan.  A big one.  I simply know that they plan on going into the studio as soon as they can.  That's it.

Lol.  I keep adding to this.  And to @Hermione, honestly I didn't read the whole post.  Sorry if that's rude but you were mentioning something about them having songs written into TCB, which was true and fuck is often true.  Sometimes songs get added from albums 10 years ago.  They have been writing on this tour more than normal which also leads me to believe we should see something quicker.  There is probably less to be written from scratch because there were demos coming out of that tour.  Fuck, they put a new song on the GH album.  I wouldn't doubt they have a books worth of songs right now but it still plays out different when you're in there making the thing. It seems they write most when they are enjoying the tour and they fucking loved this tour.

[Thatsername]

4 hours ago, LaughingClock said:

Listen, I know from a very good source that they plan on going into the studio as soon as they can.  They very much want to right now.

They need a break.  They can't come off the road on a tour like they just did and go directly into the studio.  Have you ever watched a documentary or seen an actual recording of an album?  It's a tour unto itself.  It's singing daily.  It's practicing and figuring things out.  In most ways, it's actually almost as taxing as touring. In a different way, but the process is long and tiresome.  They need to see their families, rest their voices, be Dads, husbands and shit.  If I had 80 at home, I would never leave, let alone not visit her.   They plan on hitting the studio ASAP,  this I can promise you.

And if this post ends up on some Italian forum and every GD geek head starts posting it on FB, I can't help that.  I wish I could tell you the DATE.  Fuck, I wish I knew as much as you guys. I'm a fucking fan.  A big one.  I simply know that they plan on going into the studio as soon as they can.  That's it.

Lol.  I keep adding to this.  And to @Hermione, honestly I didn't read the whole post.  Sorry if that's rude but you were mentioning something about them having songs written into TCB, which was true and fuck is often true.  Sometimes songs get added from albums 10 years ago.  They have been writing on this tour more than normal which also leads me to believe we should see something quicker.  There is probably less to be written from scratch because there were demos coming out of that tour.  Fuck, they put a new song on the GH album.  I wouldn't doubt they have a books worth of songs right now but it still plays out different when you're in there making the thing. It seems they write most when they are enjoying the tour and they fucking loved this tour.

This sounds almost too good to be true What a time to be alive!

[pacejunkie punk]

4 hours ago, LaughingClock said:

Listen, I know from a very good source that they plan on going into the studio as soon as they can.  They very much want to right now.

They need a break.  They can't come off the road on a tour like they just did and go directly into the studio.  Have you ever watched a documentary or seen an actual recording of an album?  It's a tour unto itself.  It's singing daily.  It's practicing and figuring things out.  In most ways, it's actually almost as taxing as touring. In a different way, but the process is long and tiresome.  They need to see their families, rest their voices, be Dads, husbands and shit.  If I had 80 at home, I would never leave, let alone not visit her.   They plan on hitting the studio ASAP,  this I can promise you.

And if this post ends up on some Italian forum and every GD geek head starts posting it on FB, I can't help that.  I wish I could tell you the DATE.  Fuck, I wish I knew as much as you guys. I'm a fucking fan.  A big one.  I simply know that they plan on going into the studio as soon as they can.  That's it.

Lol.  I keep adding to this.  And to @Hermione, honestly I didn't read the whole post.  Sorry if that's rude but you were mentioning something about them having songs written into TCB, which was true and fuck is often true.  Sometimes songs get added from albums 10 years ago.  They have been writing on this tour more than normal which also leads me to believe we should see something quicker.  There is probably less to be written from scratch because there were demos coming out of that tour.  Fuck, they put a new song on the GH album.  I wouldn't doubt they have a books worth of songs right now but it still plays out different when you're in there making the thing. It seems they write most when they are enjoying the tour and they fucking loved this tour.

I think everyone here would agree they need a break first, we’re presuming when we talk about the next album that it would happen after a break. But that doesn’t mean Billie isn’t writing things all the time and playing around in the studio on his own. Thanksgiving through New Years is a long time when you factor in all the family time with holidays.  I’m sure they’ll be anxious to get back to recording and playing together come January when things quiet down. 

[nick.]

I think I would just like one or the other, but not something inbetween. Green Day is great at doing huge, concept albums and I would love to see them take that even further and do the epic rock opera stuff. I also love when they strip it all back and just do a back to the roots punk effort that sounds like it was done in a garage. This is why Rev Rad wasn't a home run for me, it seemed to want to be big and epic in production and sound, but was a little hollow and weak in terms of lyrics and structure. Just my opinions but I would love for them to choose and even bounce between because they're pros at both! One album do a nimrod esque punk album with gritty guitars a la Demolicious, then next time do a huge American Idiot style concept record that wins some more grammys. Just a thought!

 

[RedundantIdiot]

^ A Nimrod esque album is what I had in mind for the next album. No 6+ minute long songs, no concept songs- just a Nimrod style album with 15+ songs and maybe one or two b-sides. A Warning esque album would be good too, but I'd prefer a Nimrod esque album. 

 

[pacejunkie punk]

5 minutes ago, RedundantIdiot said:

^ A Nimrod esque album is what I had in mind for the next album. No 6+ minute long songs, no concept songs- just a Nimrod style album with 15+ songs and maybe one or two b-sides. A Warning esque album would be good too, but I'd prefer a Nimrod esque album. 

 

With one or two silly goofy songs thrown in. 

[Marki.]

13 minutes ago, RedundantIdiot said:

^ A Nimrod esque album is what I had in mind for the next album. No 6+ minute long songs, no concept songs- just a Nimrod style album with 15+ songs and maybe one or two b-sides. A Warning esque album would be good too, but I'd prefer a Nimrod esque album. 

 

I was thinking this too, while reading the discussion here - as for me, the next album doesn't have to be 21st CB level ambitious or a concept album at all, but I'd love to have another very diverse album such as Nimrod.

[pouty bitch]

Omg, if they did a nimrod-esque album, I think I would actually die. Nimrod is my absolute fave.

[CherryBombs&Gasoline]

On 27.11.2017 at 9:06 AM, LaughingClock said:

It's so not. It's so specific, you just don't know what it's about.   It's objectively about a THING.  Especially SN. It is such a part of a larger narrative that plays out wonderfully and you not getting it doesn't make you less intelligent or something, it just may not be for you.

Somewhere Now, while highly interpretive is about something very specific and it's not at "all over the place".  Every lyric in that song has deep meaning and some multiple meanings.   

At the end of the day, it's art and art is to be appreciated or not by the viewer/listener/whatever so I'm not telling you, you should like it but that it's not cohesive is not really an opinion, that's more of an objective thing that is simply just not true.  The fact of the matter is to really understand what those songs in RevRad are about, you have had to have been through some of it to REALLY understand it.  I say that as someone that strongly relates to it.

I'm not saying that I don't appreciate the songs or that I can't relate to them. That's definitely not the case. I know what they are trying to say and I understand the message but there are some lines that just sound cringeworthy to me. "I shop online so I can vote / At the speed of life" (Somewhere Now), for instance. I know that lyrics are always interpretative and that's not a problem for me, I just think that the quality of the lyrics is not as high as it was on other albums. But I guess that's more of a personal thing. I still love the record and the majority of the songs on it.

[That Dude]

On 11/24/2017 at 4:04 AM, CherryBombs&Gasoline said:

What bothered me a bit about RevRad was the lack of focus in terms of lyrics. They did a great job with songs like Bang Bang and Still Breathing, but there where some songs where I had serious problems to understand what they are actually about. Somewhere Now for instance. It's just all over the place. The same goes for Troubled Times. I get the message, but it's so broad. I want them to tell stories like they did on AI. Because if I look back now, the lyrics are probably the biggest issue that I have with RevRad, even though I love the album as a whole. So a bit more clarity and less cellos lost somewhere over the rainbow, please

But it was the cello lost somewhere over the rainbow that brought it all together thematically.  Way up high.  Always on Strike.  Something about Easter and cutting grass.      

Obviously, the new album needs to sound like "Too Dumb to Die" from start to finish.   

 

[That Dude]

Green Day's discography is diverse, despite what the haters may say.   

 Punk Rock to Pop rock to Alternative Rock

 Pop punk to Folk punk to Power Pop to Garage Rock.    

Each album has had it's own personality, with Smooth and Kerplunk being the most similar to each other.   

I feel like Rev Rad was an American Idiot sound, with a bit of Breakdown. I believe I was hoping for an Idiot / Nimrod hybrid before the release, but Rev Rad was basically all that I wanted in a Green Day album.  

  If I had to pick albums for 13 to sound like, I suppose I'd say........well, honestly like most of us I'd keep picking my favorite two albums over and over again.   So F*** that, I want to play a brand new song.  (hehe)   I want a new favorite record that's good enough to sit in my hall of fame that contains Idiot / Nimrod / Warning.   (Idiot is hands down #1, while Nimrod and Warning are virtually tied for the #2 slot!)

I want super fast guitars and snarling Billie.  I want the lyrics that are both funny and sad at the same time.  I want power ballads that make my eyes cry.   I want to here classic Green Day occasionally, but a grand new kind of sound.  Guitars both clean and dirty, laughter and sadness, joy and death.    

Green Day evolve in leaps and bounds from record to record.  They will never sound like they did in 1986 or 1990 or 2004 again.  And I'm okay with that.   Sure, I'd love to see an American Idiot II come out, but that album was so special, it's never going to happen again.   

Rev Rad was amazing.  But same deal, we don't need another one.   

We all love speculating on what is to come, and I have to brag a little bit and say I was pretty much right about Rev Rad.  But I hope I am right about the next album too, in that I had no freaking clue what's going to be.  !!!!!!!!

ALBUM 13.   

 

 

[pacejunkie punk]

17 minutes ago, Too Dumb to Die(s) said:

I want super fast guitars and snarling Billie.  I want the lyrics that are both funny and sad at the same time.  I want power ballads that make my eyes cry.   I want to here classic Green Day occasionally, but a grand new kind of sound.  Guitars both clean and dirty, laughter and sadness, joy and death.   

😲 Just reading that made me emotional. It’s everything I love about Green Day. This x 1,000,000