Original Version of "Geek Stink Breath" by Pinhead Gunpowder

[The Great Saiyaman]

This is cool!

Todd you DOG!

[Hermione]

Totally amazing find . I can't get my head round it being a PHGP song . Although could it maybe be that he wrote it for Green Day and just felt like playing it at a Pinhead show? I know we don't know either way but it seems possible, especially as only a handful of Pinhead songs were ever written by Billie. Both band's albums from that time (Insomniac and Carry the Banner) have a load of angry songs on them though so could've fit on either.

[Marki.]

6 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I'd kill to attend a PHGP show but I'm starting to think that'll never happen after seeing an interview with Aaron from a few months ago where he talked about the band he's been in for over 25 years now and how they still play together but only for themselves and they start a song and yell to each other "this one's for you". Unfortunately I don't think the band will be playing for anyone but themselves any time soon

Yeah, more shows (or new songs) don't seem very likely, unfortunately  

[Todd]

1 hour ago, Hermione said:

Totally amazing find . I can't get my head round it being a PHGP song . Although could it maybe be that he wrote it for Green Day and just felt like playing it at a Pinhead show? I know we don't know either way but it seems possible, especially as only a handful of Pinhead songs were ever written by Billie. Both band's albums from that time (Insomniac and Carry the Banner) have a load of angry songs on them though so could've fit on either.

If you like those Carry the Banner songs, have you checked out "Stab You in the Eye" by Mundt (Aaron and Quitty)? PHGP took "Certain Things", "I Used To", and "Brother" from Mundt, and they wanted to do "Stab You in the Eye" too, but Aaron vetoed it out of respect for Quitty. I have a better version than what's in the downloads here, but it's not really PHGP, so it's not posted. The version that is posted is bundled with PHGP songs, so that's why it's there. 

 

[Hermione]

36 minutes ago, Todd said:

If you like those Carry the Banner songs, have you checked out "Stab You in the Eye" by Mundt (Aaron and Quitty)? PHGP took "Certain Things", "I Used To", and "Brother" from Mundt, and they wanted to do "Stab You in the Eye" too, but Aaron vetoed it out of respect for Quitty. I have a better version than what's in the downloads here, but it's not really PHGP, so it's not posted. The version that is posted is bundled with PHGP songs, so that's why it's there. 

 

Omg awesome! It's the angriest of all , a PHGP version would've been great. I'd love to hear the better version!

[Todd]

21 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Omg awesome! It's the angriest of all , a PHGP version would've been great. I'd love to hear the better version!

Here are the two Mundt songs from the Down in Front 7" set https://mega.nz/#F!y0EGwYCL!CCLo_umYYO7DDCzO-j9rEA

[Hermione]

53 minutes ago, Todd said:

Here are the two Mundt songs from the Down in Front 7" set https://mega.nz/#F!y0EGwYCL!CCLo_umYYO7DDCzO-j9rEA

Thanks <3

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

I love Stab You In The Eye! I throw on that 7" when I'm in a hurry to get ready and it never fails to move my ass. 

[Caroline Truong]

11 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Holy shit Todd awesome find!! I had no idea this began life as a PHGP song and they're my favourite band haha. 

 

I'd kill to attend a PHGP show but I'm starting to think that'll never happen after seeing an interview with Aaron from a few months ago where he talked about the band he's been in for over 25 years now and how they still play together but only for themselves and they start a song and yell to each other "this one's for you". Unfortunately I don't think the band will be playing for anyone but themselves any time soon

you know PG is Billie right?..or you already  know that!!

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

22 minutes ago, Caroline Truong said:

you know PG is Billie right?..or you already  know that!!

They're my favourite band. There isn't much about them I don't know. I assume you know that the Aaron I was referring to is Cometbus who formed the band and writes like 95% of their songs 

[Insomniac1984]

Amazing finding!! Never imagined something about this!! RAAAAAD!!

[WhiteTim]

13 minutes ago, crock6000 said:

I haven't read this thread but and I know it's a mod that posted it but why don't you do a little bit of fucking research before you

 

a) call something an original recording that is a fucking cover.

b) it's not like it's hard to find. Anyone that is a fan of Green Day that is over 30 can tell you that they were playing GSB on the Dookie tour before Insominiac was even released as to this day Billie doesn't like to put songs on albums that he doesn't know play well live.

 

 

I don't know what all you at least first page posters are freaking out about.

Here is Green Day performing the song on national television before the "original recording" retardadly posted by this thread title.

DONT TAKE Billie's creds away from him because you lack knowledge. (And I'm fully aware of PG but that takes away from Mike and Tre)

GUESS WHAT? A lot of people covered this song and it's not a find.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

Here is GD performing it on SNL 2 months before that recording and it was written and performed probably about 1-2 years before that recording. Erase the thread or change the name or I'll have their legal team in touch before you can say "I'm posting bullshit"

 

"Good find"?!? Wtf are you people talking about? It's a shitty recording of an already old GD song. Guess what? They have songs in the can since 39 Smooth that haven't even been released. Amateur hour at GDA.

 

and for the record I'm a fan of PG, but this is a credited GD song and to put otherwise is a false credit.

 

edit: it is a good find actually but the "original recording" somehow set me off so I apologize and I don't feel like deleting but GD was performing this as GD before the "original" as you posed.

 

 

No, first a GD song.

The first known GD performance is 11/1994 

 

this recording is from February 1994 I realize I'm not the smartest but February 1994 beats out November 1994 

[WhiteTim]

14 minutes ago, crock6000 said:

I'm not sure what you're saying but this was December 94 (12/5/94) to be exact and GSB had been in the arsenal for a while before this recording and the GP version was 2 months after this recording anyway and besides, GD had this since like 92 or something. GP was covering a GD song, it wasn't the original recording and that's just a fact.

 

and don't get me wrong, I love the GP recording post but the thread title is just wrong.

All we can go on by is what's shown 

Green Day as far as we know didn't play this live until soundcheck at Chicago in November 1994 and then publicly in December 1994 on SNL 

PHGP performed this in February 6,1994 so as far as we can guess is that Billie was playing with PHGP that night and felt like playing a song and then kept the song for his main band not unheard of for someone with multiple bands to crossover songs (2000 Light Years was first done with non GD members for example Nirvana's Drain You was written for a side group of Kurt and Melvins Kurt kept the song and put it under Nirvana) so for all intent until there's a recording of GD performing GSB before February 6th 1994 we have to assume that this is the first ever performance 

[Caroline Truong]

sorry for cutting in but Billie the Blonde from the SNL video singing "GSB" live looking nice..

o.k..move along..

[WhiteTim]

1 minute ago, crock6000 said:

Yeah, and Fuck Time was first played live by FBHT it doesn't make it the original version.  It's not, I can promise you that as I can promise you this. 

Go through some of the 93 concerts on YT and find a GSB. Maybe one is here. Ill keep posting them until one of you find one.  I'm near positive GP did not perform it live first but I'll find out definitively by tomorrow. I was wrong once. They crucified me.

 

 

Todd knows the setlist history trust me if there was a Green Day show in 92 and 93 that they played GSB at he wouldn't have labeled the thread as it is 

of course maybe they did perform it at a show once and that show isn't known as there are shows we know about that we don't have a recording or a setlist to so it's always a possibility 

[WhiteTim]

3 minutes ago, crock6000 said:

And BINGO was his name-O

 

But dig the list archivists. No offense Todd but that's not the original play of GSB. Definitely not.

For me this is the first performance until a GD show becomes known that happened before PHGP all we have for FACT is this is the earliest known version of the song we have as proof as the earliest known version played as GD that we know for sure is the soundcheck at Chicago 94 and SNL 94 a few weeks later

GD playing it in 92/93 is a could have might have maybe situation which isn't really evidence to me at least

[Caroline Truong]

On 5/31/2017 at 3:22 PM, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

They're my favourite band. There isn't much about them I don't know. I assume you know that the Aaron I was referring to is Cometbus who formed the band and writes like 95% of their songs 

Well I don't really know who?  Aaron Cometbus is but I read or someone mention "him" at some of GD's Tumblr..he is one of Green Day's Tour Crew..but I didn't know he is one who wrote songs.

[Todd]

1 minute ago, crock6000 said:

And BINGO was his name-O

 

But dig the list archivists. No offense Todd but that's not the original play of GSB. Definitely not.

I don't know why you're so upset  really dude? It originally was a Pinhead Gunpowder song. They likely played this song live for their entire Jan/Feb 1994 tour, as it was also played the previous night. I have the recording from the previous night, which I am not allowed to share at the taper's request, and Billie says "we don't have a name for this one yet". He says "we" instead of "I" because it was a PHGP song  

There is no recording of Green Day playing GSB in 1992 or 1993 as you claim. Would you prefer I call this an "early version" as opposed to "original version"? Beccause it certainly isn't the "final version" or "album version". 

 

[Liam]

1 hour ago, crock6000 said:

 

Okay so first off, how about you not be a cunt for two seconds? Rather than just come in here and essentially calling people idiots, why not just have a little bit of respect.

This is the first known performance of any kind of this song from any of Billie's bands, no proof of it being played before this. Todd never said it was originally a PHGP, he said it was an original version that was performed by Pinhead Gunpowder. This version is an "original version" because it is very different from the Insomniac version later.

Secondly, Todd never took any credit away from Billie. He never said it was written by anyone else, he just said it was performed by Billie in a different band. The instrumentation could have very werll been made by PHGP but the song was completely changed by the end of the year.

It is a "good find" because a) it's the earliest known recording of the song, and b) because this a completely knew PHGP recording and no one has ever heard them perform this song before. If you showed me a recording of Green Day performing a PHGP song that's never been heard before I'd label it a "good find"

Seriously dude, get off your fucking high horse and stop acting like you're the biggest Green Day fan to ever walk this earth because you're older. It won't hurt you to say "good job" and not try and be right all the time.

[WhiteTim]

Too much tension in here let's chill and enjoy hearing a new find 

[Hermione]

57 minutes ago, crock6000 said:

I'll defer to this. I pulled back my upset immediately and posted an apology of sorts, but you sound pretty in the know on this so I'll again, defer to you. Well done. I don't give up easily.  But I also will refer again to Fuck Time which was always going to be a GD song but FBHT were the ones who played it out on every show they did u til Billie decided it was GD worthy. It's still a GD song and credited as so, as is GSB.

Ill pull back on this was NOT the first performance of this because of your exacts on reasons.  Still not 100, willl find out. Also depends on how you define "performance" and I'm not talking about writing a song, I mean performing it means what?

I didn't get past the part where you called me a cunt because I could give fuck all after that.  You don't know me. Don't fucking come at me like that.  

The point is there's just no reason to be so rude and aggressive. Disagree and put forward an argument for this not being original or whatever, that's fine, but there was no reason not to be civil about it. I ask that if you or anyone else wants to carry on discussing this song please do it in a civil manner.

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

Sorry to interrupt the fun guys, but does it really matter? 

So PHGP (most likely) performed GSB before Green Day did. That's it. Nothing else. 

[reneetaleena]

So I don't know how relevant this is to the topic of whether it was originally a Green Day song or Pinhead Gunpowder, but in this 1994 interview Billie Joe talks about writing songs for their next record, and he mentioned a song about speed (GSB). I can't find what date this is, but it was definitely after their Wood Stock performance. It's a pretty cool interview too! 

 

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

4 hours ago, Caroline Truong said:

Well I don't really know who?  Aaron Cometbus is but I read or someone mention "him" at some of GD's Tumblr..he is one of Green Day's Tour Crew..but I didn't know he is one who wrote songs.

He is quite a lot more than one of Green Day's tour crew!! He's a writer/novelist, legendary zinester (publishing his zine Cometbus since 1981) drummer, lyricist and member of a million bands including Crimpshrine and for the purposes of this discussion Pinhead Gunpowder. He is the drummer in PHGP, he formed the band and writes almost all the songs. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Cometbus

5 hours ago, crock6000 said:

the GP version was 2 months after this recording anyway and besides, GD had this since like 92 or something.

GP was covering a GD song, it wasn't the original recording and that's just a fact.

 

and don't get me wrong, I love the GP recording post but the thread title is just wrong.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, crock6000 said:

I'm near positive GP did not perform it live first but I'll find out definitively by tomorrow. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, crock6000 said:

Ohhh fine

 

There is a record of GP playing it on the 5th. 

 

 

 

 

GP? Grinhead Punpowder. Those dicks are always stealing songs 

[Todd]

2 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

He is quite a lot more than one of Green Day's tour crew!! He's a writer/novelist, legendary zinester (publishing his zine Cometbus since 1981) drummer, lyricist and member of a million bands including Crimpshrine and for the purposes of this discussion Pinhead Gunpowder. He is the drummer in PHGP, he formed the band and writes almost all the songs. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Cometbus

 

 

GP? Grinhead Punpowder. Those dicks are always stealing songs 

Grinhead Punpowder? Skinhead Gunpower? Dickhead Clamchowder? 

5 hours ago, crock6000 said:

I'll defer to this. I pulled back my upset immediately and posted an apology of sorts, but you sound pretty in the know on this so I'll again, defer to you. Well done. I don't give up easily.  But I also will refer again to Fuck Time which was always going to be a GD song but FBHT were the ones who played it out on every show they did u til Billie decided it was GD worthy. It's still a GD song and credited as so, as is GSB.

Ill pull back on this was NOT the first performance of this because of your exacts on reasons.  Still not 100, willl find out. Also depends on how you define "performance" and I'm not talking about writing a song, I mean performing it means what?

I didn't get past the part where you called me a cunt because I could give fuck all after that.  You don't know me. Don't fucking come at me like that.  

I'm not saying Geek Stink Breath is a Pinhead Gunpowder song or that Green Day covers PHGP when they play it. It was originally a PHGP song, but is now a Green Day song. Fuck Time was a FBHT song, but is now a Green Day song. 

Crimpshrine has a song called "Going Home" that they only performed live. After they broke up, Aaron gave the song to Screeching Weasel, and they recorded it. That doesn't make Crimpshrine's version a SW cover and I wouldn't call SW's version a Crimpshrine cover either. They're just two bands that both have the same song, the one that did it first is the "original version".