If the iHeart Radio Meltdown never happened

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

6 hours ago, Montclare said:

In that same interview where it was mentioned that his manager told him to go to rehab, it was also mentioned that he said he would go after IHeart.  I always wondered if maybe he drank more/popped more pills than usual at IHeart since it was stuck in his mind that this was his last chance to do so.  You can see him "off" in a lot of 2012 shows, but IHeart was a whole other level.

 

Actually Pat wanted him to go when he was in England because as he explained something had happened over there and he begged him to wait until he played Reading and then he asked him to wait until he'd finished the promo for the album. He never specifically mentioned wanting to play iheart. 

 

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

 

I will say though Revrad to my knowledge has been less commercially successful than the trilogy yet everyone seems content to almost entirely blame the lack of the trilogys success on lack of support or the inability of the band to promote it. I was fairly confident there was a certain degree of acknowledgment among most fans that the trilogy just wasn't up to the standards of previous Green Day albums or to put it another way, had a lot of filler and dodgy lyrics etc which we weren't used to so maybe it's time we consider that perhaps it just didn't/doesn't deserve (if that's the correct term?) quite the same sales as they usually get. Circumstances being what they were we'll never know if the albums would have flopped without Billie's breakdown or cancellation of promo etc but given the fact that Revrad has sold less than the trilogy so many years later with so much promo etc I'm guessing the trilogy wouldn't have been the amazing success they were hoping for when they made Cuatro and Mike said he had the same excitement he felt when he was making American Idiot and Dookie. 

[Boredslappy]

On 10/02/2017 at 9:53 PM, Stewe said:

It's  just a static cassette recorder.

I wis we got a real video,  it would  be very emotion al to me like still breathing. 

 

 

[Montclare]

4 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Actually Pat wanted him to go when he was in England because as he explained something had happened over there and he begged him to wait until he played Reading and then he asked him to wait until he'd finished the promo for the album. He never specifically mentioned wanting to play iheart. 

 

The Rolling Stones March 2013 interview has-

 

Afterward, I'm sit­ting in my room, and I get a text from my manager: "Come on down, we have to talk about the Reading Festival."

I went down there, he was sitting there, and he goes, "We're getting on a plane. We're canceling the rest of this tour, and you're going into rehab." I was like, "What? What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not going to do that."

We talked about it later. We got to this theater gig we were playing in London. I said, "I don't want to cancel these gigs. It just can't happen. Tell you what. As soon as we get home, when we're done with the press and this stuff, after I Heart Radio, the week following I'll go to rehab. But I can't cancel any of this shit now."

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

5 hours ago, Montclare said:

The Rolling Stones March 2013 interview has-

 

Afterward, I'm sit­ting in my room, and I get a text from my manager: "Come on down, we have to talk about the Reading Festival."

I went down there, he was sitting there, and he goes, "We're getting on a plane. We're canceling the rest of this tour, and you're going into rehab." I was like, "What? What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not going to do that."

We talked about it later. We got to this theater gig we were playing in London. I said, "I don't want to cancel these gigs. It just can't happen. Tell you what. As soon as we get home, when we're done with the press and this stuff, after I Heart Radio, the week following I'll go to rehab. But I can't cancel any of this shit now."

Ah OK so he actually did mention iheart amongst the gigs, the press and "stuff" he didn't want to cancel but probably only by name because obviously we all know what resulted there. I don't think he attached particular signicance to getting to play iheart. If you have your copy of RS handy then you can also read that on the 15th, so just over a week earlier he got utterly, completely wasted at Irving Plaza in NYC (remember him puking on stage?!) and ended up sleeping hungover in a park on the Westside Highway! He could very easily have died that night. It still creeps me out. I think his life was a complete mess so he wasn't just trying to have an bit of extra party knowing it was his last chance at iheart imo he was just completely unable to control himself) being an addict who had gotten in over his head at this point) and nobody else was looking out for him (well thank St Jimmy for Pat the Manager )so it got crazy. 

[Shtrudel]

Then instead of an emberrasing show+meltdown, it would've been emberrasing show-meltdown. They were aliens to the audience, except for what, 5 people cheering in the front? No wonder their time was cut, nobody cared about them.
I bet the general audience's mind was something like this: "Wait, arn't they the band with this really-really(-REALLY) hot singer and the music video at a mental institution? What do you mean it's from 94? He's THAT old?!"

Promotion-wise, I can't really say anything. Nobody cares about them in my country, therefore I can't really judge how much does promotion matter. Green Day fans sure did know about the trilogy, and that's the important thing.
Radio-plays are very rare in my country and it's usually Basket Case/Good Riddance/WMUWSE/BOBD. I remember hearing Oh love once or twice during the time the trilogy was out, but nothing more.

[Christian's Inferno!]

On 2/11/2017 at 5:53 AM, Spike said:

To be honest I'd be surprised if they'd have released any more singles anyway. Nuclear Family had already bombed before iHeart despite being a great song with a killer video. 

NF wasn't an actual single. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Day_discography#Promotional_singles it was a Promotional single. The three official singles from Uno were Oh Love, Kill the DJ and LYG. Oh Love was the only one to make any kind of impact and it was doing well until the iHeart incident

13 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

 

I will say though Revrad to my knowledge has been less commercially successful than the trilogy yet everyone seems content to almost entirely blame the lack of the trilogys success on lack of support or the inability of the band to promote it. I was fairly confident there was a certain degree of acknowledgment among most fans that the trilogy just wasn't up to the standards of previous Green Day albums or to put it another way, had a lot of filler and dodgy lyrics etc which we weren't used to so maybe it's time we consider that perhaps it just didn't/doesn't deserve (if that's the correct term?) quite the same sales as they usually get. Circumstances being what they were we'll never know if the albums would have flopped without Billie's breakdown or cancellation of promo etc but given the fact that Revrad has sold less than the trilogy so many years later with so much promo etc I'm guessing the trilogy wouldn't have been the amazing success they were hoping for when they made Cuatro and Mike said he had the same excitement he felt when he was making American Idiot and Dookie. 

It hasn't really been less commercially successful. You have to take into account the current music industry in 2016/2017 compared to in 2012 when the trilogy was released. Albums are selling much less these days, and the Billboard 200 factors in streaming and track sales as well as album sales as of 2014. So the reason RevRad's Billboard 200 positions have been lower than Uno is because they're not getting enough streaming and track sales. It's not just a matter of "Uno sold more than RevRad, therefore it's been more successful"

If you compare the Billboard 200 positions of Uno (which in 2012 only took album sales into account) to the RevRad positions on the Top Album Sales chart, you'll see that RevRad's positions on that chart has been better than Uno's on the Billboard 200.

Also, so far the singles of RevRad have done better than the trilogy with Bang Bang and Still Breathing both topping the US Rock Airplay, Alternative and Mainstream rock charts. For the trilogy, Oh Love was the only single that did well in the charts, the rest of the singles were failures

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

2 hours ago, MysticManiac said:

NF wasn't an actual single. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Day_discography#Promotional_singles it was a Promotional single. The three official singles from Uno were Oh Love, Kill the DJ and LYG. Oh Love was the only one to make any kind of impact and it was doing well until the iHeart incident

It hasn't really been less commercially successful. You have to take into account the current music industry in 2016/2017 compared to in 2012 when the trilogy was released. Albums are selling much less these days, and the Billboard 200 factors in streaming and track sales as well as album sales as of 2014. So the reason RevRad's Billboard 200 positions have been lower than Uno is because they're not getting enough streaming and track sales. It's not just a matter of "Uno sold more than RevRad, therefore it's been more successful"

If you compare the Billboard 200 positions of Uno (which in 2012 only took album sales into account) to the RevRad positions on the Top Album Sales chart, you'll see that RevRad's positions on that chart has been better than Uno's on the Billboard 200.

Also, so far the singles of RevRad have done better than the trilogy with Bang Bang and Still Breathing both topping the US Rock Airplay, Alternative and Mainstream rock charts. For the trilogy, Oh Love was the only single that did well in the charts, the rest of the singles were failures

I think you missed the entire point of my post. 

[moonflower93]

maybe the trilogy would have been promoted better.