Eric Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: They've definitely lost popularity yet it hasn't led to an amazing album. I entirely blame shitty lyrics for my distaste of Revrad. It was also why I disliked the trilogy. I dunno, maybe Billie just can't write like he used to. If I compare the lyrics from songs on Insomniac or Nimrod to Revrad it's like two different humans were at the wheel and the second guy was waaaay off course. Great if people like singing along to songs about cellos over rainbows and shopping online so they can bolt at the speed of life but to find that even amusing I'd need heavy sedation/some of what Billie was on when he wrote the lyrics. If you want the old shit so bad, the albums are all there for you to go back on, but I am glad the in the 40s Billie Joe isn't writing what the younger Billie Joe wrote 12 hours ago, Jesus of Seneca said: Invasion of the seagulls. Suppose to be funny?
petros Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Well Billie used to be so honest in his lyrics. And pretty straightforward. I guess this happens with every artist after some time. They can't write about the stuff they were anymore and they don't have things going on in their lives to make them write something relatable since they are wealthy and living in those huge houses. But after american idiot or maybe 21st I think Billie became super confident about his skills and doesn't try hard enough anymore. That got us the trilogy which overall is a lyrical mess and revrad which has some good lines here and there but as a whole lacks what I think made Billie's writing so good.
letsdanceon Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 34 minutes ago, petros said: Well Billie used to be so honest in his lyrics. And pretty straightforward. I guess this happens with every artist after some time. They can't write about the stuff they were anymore and they don't have things going on in their lives to make them write something relatable since they are wealthy and living in those huge houses. But after american idiot or maybe 21st I think Billie became super confident about his skills and doesn't try hard enough anymore. That got us the trilogy which overall is a lyrical mess and revrad which has some good lines here and there but as a whole lacks what I think made Billie's writing so good. I completely disagree, I think RR is some of the most honest lyrics he's done. They have admitted they still drive shitty cars and they still hang out with a lot of the same people...that's ridiculous to say he can't write the same because he's "rich and famous" now. That's one of the things I always admired about them as a band, that they stayed so true to their roots and seem largely unchanged by their success.
Eric Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, letsdanceon said: I completely disagree, I think RR is some of the most honest lyrics he's done. They have admitted they still drive shitty cars and they still hang out with a lot of the same people...that's ridiculous to say he can't write the same because he's "rich and famous" now. That's one of the things I always admired about them as a band, that they stayed so true to their roots and seem largely unchanged by their success. There is times I really disagree with petros, and this is the time. I agree with you on these points. So much nonsense you hear from other gcers opinions. Not liking a song ok. Not liking an album ok. Doesn't try hard enough anymore? I still really believe Green Day's fan base is super picky as hell
greendepent Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Is not a matter of popularity. Is a matter that they try to top theirselves. They did it in Breakdown and results are very good. On the trilogy was the opposite, and in Revrad they are as loose as 2011, without an anger rant and smashing guitars
disappearing_boy_39 Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Green Day has been popular since '94. They have consistently released great albums since then. Their musical style hasn't dramatically changed since gaining popularity. If anything, the tastes and expectations of their fans have gone through a bigger transformation.
Eric Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, disappearing_boy_39 said: Green Day has been popular since '94. They have consistently released great albums since then. Their musical style hasn't dramatically changed since gaining popularity. If anything, the tastes and expectations of their fans have gone through a bigger transformation. They set the bar so high that anything less than AI they calling it bad.
disappearing_boy_39 Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Maybe this is off topic but I keep reading debates...the Trilogy vs RevRad. I like both GD periods for different reasons. I like RevRad but see it as a fairly straightforward album. Which is probably what Green Day needed since many fans are a bit scatter brained and won't listen to theee albums in depth, only focusing on the extreme lows or highs. And, I enjoyed the chaotic, unpredictable, approach the band took with the Trilogy. I feel like they were experiencing a range of emotions (good & bad) while taking some experimental risks (inviting Jason into the sessions, shifting styles, etc). It was a wild time!
jengd Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 I agree with Eric on this, Billie Joe at 44 writing about the same subjects as he did at 18 would not be good, and it wouldn't be natural. They are ageing, relax and let it happen. There's also an issue around writing really obscurely, many people will not get your message at all if it's really buried deeply. I always love that you can listen to this band and the music sounds uplifting so you can just go with that, or you can focus on the lyrics, which, as well all know can be pretty dark at times.
Eric Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 1 minute ago, jengd said: I agree with Eric on this, Billie Joe at 44 writing about the same subjects as he did at 18 would not be good, and it wouldn't be natural. They are ageing, relax and let it happen. There's also an issue around writing really obscurely, many people will not get your message at all if it's really buried deeply. I always love that you can listen to this band and the music sounds uplifting so you can just go with that, or you can focus on the lyrics, which, as well all know can be pretty dark at times. I am surprised a thread with such title is allowed to still be open. It's so freaking awful it sickens me to have to read it everytime browsing the Green Day threads. Glad Green Day doesn't give into the fan bases weird opinions and keep moving forward instead of slapping Dookie 2 or American idiot 2 title on the next project.
petros Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Guys Billie said he thinks 99 revolutions was one of the best songs he ever wrote. I really believe he's become overconfident now in his writing and that didn't turn good for his skills.
Dimitris Gotsis Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, petros said: Guys Billie said he thinks 99 revolutions was one of the best songs he ever wrote. I really believe he's become overconfident now in his writing and that didn't turn good for his skills. billie was trying to promote the trilogy but after all is not a bad song.
Eric Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, petros said: Guys Billie said he thinks 99 revolutions was one of the best songs he ever wrote. I really believe he's become overconfident now in his writing and that didn't turn good for his skills. And so what if he thinks that? I have either seen you mention this or others and I think that is more sad than him calling it one of the best things he has ever wrote.
stories and songs Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 "They're not trying hard enough" is a critique I see on here occasionally and it makes no sense to me. Not liking what they're doing is totally fine, but it's impossible to determine how hard they're working versus other points in their careers. They clearly put so much time and love into RevRad. It isn't an album for everyone. But I think whether you think it's a great album or not, you should be able to appreciate what went into making it. Green Day isn't a band that phones it in.
jengd Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Eric said: I am surprised a thread with such title is allowed to still be open. It's so freaking awful it sickens me to have to read it everytime browsing the Green Day threads. Glad Green Day doesn't give into the fan bases weird opinions and keep moving forward instead of slapping Dookie 2 or American idiot 2 title on the next project. I'm not sure why you quoted me in this. I am not criticising Green Day by any means, if anything I am one of those fans who could be accused of not being very subjective about Green Day as I love them so much and I think sometimes people on here can be very critical of them, I get defensive. I also think most of what I have said is backing them doing their own thing and being true to themselves, I can't imagine them ever "phoning in" an album, I think we have already had that discussion. I love Rev Rad and I'm not sure what started this off anymore. I think Billie said it was one of the best lyrics he thought he had ever written, I like it.
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Eric said: If you want the old shit so bad, the albums are all there for you to go back on, but I am glad the in the 40s Billie Joe isn't writing what the younger Billie Joe wrote 1 hour ago, jengd said: I agree with Eric on this, Billie Joe at 44 writing about the same subjects as he did at 18 would not be good, and it wouldn't be natural. They are ageing, relax and let it happen. If aging makes you incapable of putting together a coherent song without ridiculous clunkers then I wonder how other older bands cope. Also are you seriously suggesting that maturity is what inspired the trilogy? Oh shit...too funny!!
Alan86 Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 55 minutes ago, petros said: Guys Billie said he thinks 99 revolutions was one of the best songs he ever wrote. I really believe he's become overconfident now in his writing and that didn't turn good for his skills. That was while promoting the trilogy. If he really thought that he'd be playing that song every night on this tour. The fact is that they don't even play that song live.
jengd Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: If aging makes you incapable of putting together a coherent song without ridiculous clunkers then I wonder how other older bands cope. Also are you seriously suggesting that maturity is what inspired the trilogy? Oh shit...too funny!! That's not what I'm saying at all, what I am saying is that for a whole number of reasons, only one of them being age, the music Green Day are making and the songs Billie is writing has changed, of course it has, they have been in this business for a long time. Would you really want them to be on the third or fourth version of Dookie?
RedundantIdiot Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, stories and songs said: "They're not trying hard enough" is a critique I see on here occasionally and it makes no sense to me. Not liking what they're doing is totally fine, but it's impossible to determine how hard they're working versus other points in their careers. They clearly so much time and love into RevRad. It isn't an album for everyone. But I think whether you think it's a great album or not, you should be able to appreciate what went into making it. Green Day isn't a band that phones it in. I wish I could like this more than once. And in recent concerts, they've been playing with smiles on their faces- this is great to see after the meltdown, rehab, etc, etc
Alan86 Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 22 minutes ago, stories and songs said: "They're not trying hard enough" is a critique I see on here occasionally and it makes no sense to me. Not liking what they're doing is totally fine, but it's impossible to determine how hard they're working versus other points in their careers. They clearly so much time and love into RevRad. It isn't an album for everyone. But I think whether you think it's a great album or not, you should be able to appreciate what went into making it. Green Day isn't a band that phones it in. Exactly. Do these people think because AI is so good that they must have worked harder on that album? They may have worked hard on that album but that album may have also come very naturally to them with out too much thinking or overthinking. I believe they worked harder on albums like 21st CB and RevRad than they did on AI but AI will always be the pinnacle of their work. So the "not trying hard enough" argument is complete nonsense to me.
Eric Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: If aging makes you incapable of putting together a coherent song without ridiculous clunkers then I wonder how other older bands cope. Also are you seriously suggesting that maturity is what inspired the trilogy? Oh shit...too funny!! So they wanted to put out a bunch of records they had and not be so serious about it? I don't think that's a fair to question in the way you did about maturity inspired the trilogy. That album my friend would be REVrad and I and any other person with common sense can see that on that Revolution Radio.
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 1 minute ago, jengd said: That's not what I'm saying at all, what I am saying is that for a whole number of reasons, only one of them being age, the music Green Day are making and the songs Billie is writing has changed, of course it has, they have been in this business for a long time. Would you really want them to be on the third or fourth version of Dookie? I really don't understand what people even mean when they say stuff like the band doing another Dookie or making another Nimrod or American Idiot, Insomniac etc unless they just mean the band making another fantastic album of really well written songs in which case yes!! Yes I would love another brilliantly written concise album please. The music or more specifically the lyrics have changed but not because he's writing about more mature topics that come with aging but because they're just bad.
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 We got a quality album 3 months ago. </thread>
jengd Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: I really don't understand what people even mean when they say stuff like the band doing another Dookie or making another Nimrod or American Idiot, Insomniac etc unless they just mean the band making another fantastic album of really well written songs in which case yes!! Yes I would love another brilliantly written concise album please. The music or more specifically the lyrics have changed but not because he's writing about more mature topics that come with aging but because they're just bad. Ok, well what I mean by another Dookie is basically the same thing done again a la Status Quo. So you obviously aren't happy with Rev Rad, that's a shame, I love it. I guess it all comes back to the fact that you can't please all of the people all of the time. Hopefully you'll be happy with album 13.
Eric Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 25 minutes ago, jengd said: Ok, well what I mean by another Dookie is basically the same thing done again a la Status Quo. So you obviously aren't happy with Rev Rad, that's a shame, I love it. I guess it all comes back to the fact that you can't please all of the people all of the time. Hopefully you'll be happy with album 13. Yeah I thought it was pretty obvious what people meant by a Dookie or American idiot Part 2, hopefully they will get that album for album 13
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