Poll - Dirty Rotten Bastards VS Forever Now

[tresexy101]

3 hours ago, nopride84 said:

His name is  Billie joe not William joseph.

Oh, ok.  Thank you.  I thought parents in Oklahoma named their kids William Joseph.  But now I know the truth!! 

[End Of The World]

18 hours ago, nopride84 said:

His name is  Billie joe not William joseph.

Yeah. I remember I read it in a GD biography. New Punk Explosion if I remember well...

[StillxBreathing]

Hm... Good question.

I think... Forever Now cause i love the lyrics and i love the ''somewhere now'' part. 

Dirty Rotten Basterds is a good song though! But i prefer Forever Now

[17Gonzalo]

On 2016-11-2 at 2:01 AM, Justin1 said:

DRB For the win.

My order of best to worst Green Day Suites:

1. JOS

2. 21st Century Breakdown

3. Dirty Rotten Bastards

4. Forever Now

5. Homecoming 

6. American Eulogy 

Nobody consider Christie Road and St. Jimmmy as multi-part songs???? I think that if American Eulogy is considered, the other two should also be (sorry of my english, si not  my first  language). What happens with the Who cover A quick One While He's away???

My ranking is:

1) Forever Now

2) A quick One while he's Away

3) Dirty Rotten Bastards

5) Homecoming

6) 21st century breakdown

7) Jesus of Suburbia

If Christie Road qualifies for me is the best one

[Christian's Inferno!]

1 hour ago, 17Gonzalo said:

Nobody consider Christie Road and St. Jimmmy as multi-part songs???? I think that if American Eulogy is considered, the other two should also be (sorry of my english, si not  my first  language). What happens with the Who cover A quick One While He's away???

My ranking is:

1) Forever Now

2) A quick One while he's Away

3) Dirty Rotten Bastards

5) Homecoming

6) 21st century breakdown

7) Jesus of Suburbia

If Christie Road qualifies for me is the best one

Well the reason why FN, JOS HC and AE are considered multi-part is because each part has it's own title

Jesus of Suburbia -> I. Jesus of Suburbia II. City of the Damned III. I Don't Care IV. Dearly Beloved V. Tales of Another Broken Home
Homecoming -> I. The Death of St. Jimmy II. East 12th St. III. Nobody Likes You IV. Rock and Roll Girlfriend V. We're Coming Home Again
American Eulogy -> A. Mass Hysteria B. Modern World
Forever Now -> I. I'm Freaking Out II. A Better Way To Die III. Somewhere Now (Reprise)

The reason why DRB and 21CB are considered multi-part are probably because they're both 5+ minutes and each section sounds vastly different from the others.

I don't think Christie Road or St. Jimmy qualify as "multi-part" songs. Although the end of the songs are different from the beginning, they're not long enough to qualify as multi-part and they don't have titles for each section of the song. And it wasn't until American Idiot that GD started making these multi-part songs so that rules out CR. Regarding St. Jimmy, I think there are a lot of songs on AI that have different kind of song structures, SJ doesn't really seem any more of a multi-part song than Holiday, Letterbomb or Whatsername imo

Also regarding A Quick One by The Who, I guess it's not considered since it's a cover although it is definitely a multi-part song, just not Green Day's

[17Gonzalo]

15 minutes ago, MysticManiac said:

Well the reason why FN, JOS HC and AE are considered multi-part is because each part has it's own title

Jesus of Suburbia -> I. Jesus of Suburbia II. City of the Damned III. I Don't Care IV. Dearly Beloved V. Tales of Another Broken Home
Homecoming -> I. The Death of St. Jimmy II. East 12th St. III. Nobody Likes You IV. Rock and Roll Girlfriend V. We're Coming Home Again
American Eulogy -> A. Mass Hysteria B. Modern World
Forever Now -> I. I'm Freaking Out II. A Better Way To Die III. Somewhere Now (Reprise)

The reason why DRB and 21CB are considered multi-part are probably because they're both 5+ minutes and each section sounds vastly different from the others.

I don't think Christie Road or St. Jimmy qualify as "multi-part" songs. Although the end of the songs are different from the beginning, they're not long enough to qualify as multi-part and they don't have titles for each section of the song. And it wasn't until American Idiot that GD started making these multi-part songs so that rules out CR. Regarding St. Jimmy, I think there are a lot of songs on AI that have different kind of song structures, SJ doesn't really seem any more of a multi-part song than Holiday, Letterbomb or Whatsername imo

Also regarding A Quick One by The Who, I guess it's not considered since it's a cover although it is definitely a multi-part song, just not Green Day's

Good answer. I agree mostly, but despite having different titles, I think that there's no difference between changes in Christie Road and Amerian Eulogy... guitar chords are also different in both parts of christie Road... 

[JOE THE X-KID]

Forever Now is in the top 3 best Green Day songs. Dirty Rotten Bastards is a nice track but it doesn't compare...

[1039Revolutions]

I voted for DRB. I know people want to believe that people write better music when they are sober, but it's just not true. Inhibitions just CAN'T be there if you wanna make something as great as Warning or the Trilogy. If you were to play DRB and Forever Now for rock critics who never heard of Green Day and were simply judgeing based on the music aspect, DRB would get 9/10 of the critics. The guitar tones Billie used for the trilogy are so ridiculously good, and crystal clean, only people who appreciate rock music can grasp how rad that was to capture those sounds in 2012, considering most rock bands and producers these days wouldn't have the skill level to do that, and probably don't even care regardless. And lyrically, the two don't even compare. DRB all the way!

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, 1039Revolutions said:

I voted for DRB. I know people want to believe that people write better music when they are sober, but it's just not true. Inhibitions just CAN'T be there if you wanna make something as great as Warning or the Trilogy. If you were to play DRB and Forever Now for rock critics who never heard of Green Day and were simply judgeing based on the music aspect, DRB would get 9/10 of the critics. The guitar tones Billie used for the trilogy are so ridiculously good, and crystal clean, only people who appreciate rock music can grasp how rad that was to capture those sounds in 2012, considering most rock bands and producers these days wouldn't have the skill level to do that, and probably don't even care regardless. And lyrically, the two don't even compare. DRB all the way!

Well I think Stop Drop & Roll is a better example of how being drunk can result in something really good. Being sober is obviously better if you're trying to create something like AI or 21CB. The trilogy, I think was BJ going too far with alcohol to the point where it began to hinder his songwriting ability. The trilogy while the music is good and it's good for the most part has some cringeworthy lyrics as we know and I think the lack of inhibitions may have resulted in that. It's a good thing BJ stopped drinking when he did.

I don't agree with you on the "DRB would get 9/10 of the critics". I think most critics would agree that FN is musically better but DRB is a different kind of song. I don't see DRB as anything special lyrically either and I think FN is definitely a very good song lyrically.

[1039Revolutions]

57 minutes ago, MysticManiac said:

Well I think Stop Drop & Roll is a better example of how being drunk can result in something really good. Being sober is obviously better if you're trying to create something like AI or 21CB. The trilogy, I think was BJ going too far with alcohol to the point where it began to hinder his songwriting ability. The trilogy while the music is good and it's good for the most part has some cringeworthy lyrics as we know and I think the lack of inhibitions may have resulted in that. It's a good thing BJ stopped drinking when he did.

I don't agree with you on the "DRB would get 9/10 of the critics". I think most critics would agree that FN is musically better but DRB is a different kind of song. I don't see DRB as anything special lyrically either and I think FN is definitely a very good song lyrically.

Well, I disagree.. especially about the lyrics:

Forever Now - "My name is Billie and I'm freaking out" "I never learned to read or write so well, but I can play the guitar until it hurts like hell" now that's cringeworthy.. and I don't even think he wrote those anyway lol 

DRB - "Chop me a line of my best friends ashes. Dust to dust when the red light flashes. What the fuck does OK stand for when the afterlife is the only one to die for?" Those are Grade A.

Just my opinion though I guess.

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1 minute ago, 1039Revolutions said:

Well, I disagree.. especially about the lyrics:

Forever Now - "My name is Billie and I'm freaking out" "I never learned to read or write so well, but I can play the guitar until it hurts like hell" now that's cringeworthy.. and I don't even think he wrote those anyway lol 

DRB - "Cut me a line of my best friends ashes. Dust to dust when the red light flashes. What the fuck does OK stand for when the afterlife is the only one to die for" Those are Grade A.

Just my opinion though I guess.

I don't see what's cringeworthy about those lines. There are a lot of examples of good lyrics in that song. I like the lyric "I want a better way to die" and I like the lyrics at the end "Don't wanna think about tomorrow, don't want to think about the old, it doesn't matter anyway" "I want to start a revolution. I want to hear it on my radio and put it off another day", "I ain't gonna stand in line no more". It really is a great way of finishing the album right before Ordinary World (don't think much of OW, the album could've ended with FN but whatever). FN seems very personal to me, the lyrics definitely show that

Tbh I don't really know what DRB's lyrics are about. It seems interesting enough but "What the fuck does OK stand for" seems like a filler line that was just put in for some reason. The lyrics don't really seem to say much to the listener

[1039Revolutions]

9 minutes ago, MysticManiac said:

I don't see what's cringeworthy about those lines. There are a lot of examples of good lyrics in that song. I like the lyric "I want a better way to die" and I like the lyrics at the end "Don't wanna think about tomorrow, don't want to think about the old, it doesn't matter anyway" "I want to start a revolution. I want to hear it on my radio and put it off another day", "I ain't gonna stand in line no more". It really is a great way of finishing the album right before Ordinary World (don't think much of OW, the album could've ended with FN but whatever). FN seems very personal to me, the lyrics definitely show that

Tbh I don't really know what DRB's lyrics are about. It seems interesting enough but "What the fuck does OK stand for" seems like a filler line that was just put in for some reason. The lyrics don't really seem to say much to the listener

I like Forever Now a lot, but I just put DRB in a different league. I meant cringe worthy in the sense that he didn't write the lyrics. 

I've always interpreted DRB as being about over indulgence. Both needing to be over indulged and hating it.. kinda cool if you ask me. And I think 'What the fuck does okay stand for when the afterlife is the only one to die for' means if you're not living life to the fullest, you're not living. I dunno. Most Green Day lyrics can be interpreted in different ways. 

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3 minutes ago, 1039Revolutions said:

I like Forever Now a lot, but I just put DRB in a different league. I meant cringe worthy in the sense that he didn't write the lyrics. 

I've always interpreted DRB as being about over indulgence. Both needing to be over indulged and hating it.. kinda cool if you ask me. And I think 'What the fuck does okay stand for when the afterlife is the only one to die for' means if you're not living life to the fullest, you're not living. I dunno. Most Green Day lyrics can be interpreted in different ways. 

Where did you hear that he didn't write those lyrics? Also, your explanation of that line actually makes a lot of sense

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10 minutes ago, MysticManiac said:

Where did you hear that he didn't write those lyrics? Also, your explanation of that line actually makes a lot of sense

Johnny B Goode- 

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/chuckberry/johnnybgoode.html

And the DRB lyrics: "I've got the urge to binge and surge, the tables turned to crash and Burn. Juliana Homicide, make my demons come to life. Juliana Homicide, won't you be my blushing bride"

Basically saying he'd marry his overindulgences if he could.. I mean, that's pretty epic.

Forever Now has high points with 'If this is what you call the good life, I want a better way to die' for sure, but he's not in the stratosphere like he is in DRB.

 

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9 minutes ago, 1039Revolutions said:

Johnny B Goode- 

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/chuckberry/johnnybgoode.html

And the DRB lyrics: "I've got the urge to binge and surge, the tables turned to crash and Burn. Juliana Homicide, make my demons come to life. Juliana Homicide, won't you be my blushing bride"

Basically saying he'd marry his overindulgences if he could.. I mean, that's pretty epic.

Forever Now has high points with 'If this is what you call the good life, I want a better way to die' for sure, but he's not in the stratosphere like he is in DRB.

Ah, I thought you meant he actually got the help of a writer specifically for writing the song. I didn't realise you meant he took a line from another writer's song. I think of that as more of taking inspiration from the song. Maybe that line just meant a lot to him personally

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3 minutes ago, MysticManiac said:

Ah, I thought you meant he actually got the help of a writer specifically for writing the song. I didn't realise you meant he took a line from another writer's song. I think of that as more of taking inspiration from the song. Maybe that line just meant a lot to him personally

Yeah, I guess. I just prefer hearing new lyrics and ideas in songs. However, it does fit in really nicely to Forever Now.

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There is absolutely no comparison. Forever Now also is one of the best live songs Ive seen.

 

[Hermione]

14 hours ago, 1039Revolutions said:

I like Forever Now a lot, but I just put DRB in a different league. I meant cringe worthy in the sense that he didn't write the lyrics. 

 

Taking one line from another song and changing it to have a new meaning is hardly "he didn't write the lyrics", it isn't even a direct quote (original is "who never ever learned to read or write so well, but he could play the guitar just like a ringin' a bell", Billie's is "I never learned to read or write so well, but I can play the guitar until it hurts like hell"). It's done openly as reference to the most famous rock n roll song that inspired him when he was younger and a line in it that describes him, no different to referencing any other famous quote or saying in a song (eg "home is where the heart is").

[Meliciraptor]

I don't like DRB at all, so that was a no-brainer. Forever Now is epic!