MikeDirntConfused Posted October 14, 2016 Author Posted October 14, 2016 Once again, I'm not saying make another epic, rock opera or something as revolutiinary as AI. I'm just saying that GD's recent work has been lacking in quality for the most part. Compare random songs from the 90s to the trilogy and RevRad. In the 90s, there was effort, meaningful lyrics, and the songs have passed the test of time. I honestly feel that GD's recent work will be forgotten in a few years. Honestly, some of you guys can't stand criticism of this band at all.
Alan86 Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 18 minutes ago, MikeDirntConfused said: Once again, I'm not saying make another epic, rock opera or something as revolutiinary as AI. I'm just saying that GD's recent work has been lacking in quality for the most part. Compare random songs from the 90s to the trilogy and RevRad. In the 90s, there was effort, meaningful lyrics, and the songs have passed the test of time. I honestly feel that GD's recent work will be forgotten in a few years. Honestly, some of you guys can't stand criticism of this band at all. That's just your opinion though and you are entitled to it. Not everyone will agree with your opinion so if you are going to voice yours you have to accept that others will voice their response, it's not personal, even if they disagree with every single thing you said. And those albums and songs that you think are of a higher standard...... you can be certain there are people out there too that dislike those as much as you dislike RevRad.
Dakke Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, MikeDirntConfused said: Once again, I'm not saying make another epic, rock opera or something as revolutiinary as AI. I'm just saying that GD's recent work has been lacking in quality for the most part. Compare random songs from the 90s to the trilogy and RevRad. In the 90s, there was effort, meaningful lyrics, and the songs have passed the test of time. I honestly feel that GD's recent work will be forgotten in a few years. Honestly, some of you guys can't stand criticism of this band at all. I honestly think your opinion about RevRad is quite personal, as many people seem to enjoy the record and some songs (Bang Bang, Somewhere Now, Say Goodbye) have the potential to become classics. I agree that the trilogy is woefully inadequate for the most part. I disagree that RevRad will be forgotten. It's more Nimrod than Trilogy in terms of quality. Just my two cents though.
MikeDirntConfused Posted October 14, 2016 Author Posted October 14, 2016 Yeah, I guess you guys are right it is subjective. I also feel that people on here pretend that GD never makes mistakes besides the trilogy.
Chin for a Day Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 1 minute ago, MikeDirntConfused said: Yeah, I guess you guys are right it is subjective. I also feel that people on here pretend that GD never makes mistakes besides the trilogy. That is absolutely untrue. There are people that are critical of alot of things the band does. There are also alot of people that like the Trilogy. It just seems like you haven't been reading the forum because most people really like RevRad but you made the assumption that everyone felt like you did. There are plenty of people that do, but for the most part people really enjoy it. For me personally, I love RevRad, I think it is one of the best albums they have ever done. I also like the Trilogy and I think Insomniac is their weakest effort of any album, which is a totally unpopular opinion. Please don't assume that people think only one way. There are plenty of people around here with varying opinions and it creates a wonderful place to have a discussion
MikeDirntConfused Posted October 14, 2016 Author Posted October 14, 2016 This really isn't a discussion. It just seems like RevRad is good, that's it, end of story.
Alan86 Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, MikeDirntConfused said: Yeah, I guess you guys are right it is subjective. I also feel that people on here pretend that GD never makes mistakes besides the trilogy. Some people/seagulls even love the trilogy
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, MikeDirntConfused said: This really isn't a discussion. It just seems like RevRad is good, that's it, end of story. I keep getting asked if I'm Seagull (another user who dislikes Revrad) everytime I say anything negative about the album and one person believed I had written three or four different bad reviews (which had all been referenced, titled and linked to the sites /magazines that published them) because it seems nobody could deal with the idea that more than one individual could dislike anything Green Day did. So it's really very pointless trying to have a discussion as you say because there's a particular mentality among certain users where they can rationalise the ridiculous and undermine the sensible to suit their argument. Also certain users refuse to accept that other people have different opinions though they feign tolerance, albeit not very convincingly. Sometimes it's just not worth bothering to try to have a discussion at all once you gauge the tone.
rockmanx37 Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 AI is an amazing album, but i think there's no need to do something similar again. And even if they do, the last records are not so far away from the AI style.
TheGrouch33 Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 I totally get what youre asking...and to be honest im asking myself the same thing! By the way nobody says they want a copy of AI just an album that sounds fulfilling and exciting and for me sadly 21st breakdown seems really forced and forgettable at times(hardly listen to that album anymore), the trilogy was kind of the same but less intense and revrad just feels so underwhelming at times compared to the energy of AI. You guys should read pitchforks review of revrad it is interesting, i feel some of you guys are desperately trying to like revrad after the trilogy disappointment.
Chin for a Day Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, TheGrouch33 said: I totally get what youre asking...and to be honest im asking myself the same thing! By the way nobody says they want a copy of AI just an album that sounds fulfilling and exciting and for me sadly 21st breakdown seems really forced and forgettable at times(hardly listen to that album anymore), the trilogy was kind of the same but less intense and revrad just feels so underwhelming at times compared to the energy of AI. You guys should read pitchforks review of revrad it is interesting, i feel some of you guys are desperately trying to like revrad after the trilogy disappointment. Wow, this was possibly one of the most insulting posts I've ever read. Who the hell cares what a review says and who says we are "trying" to like the revrad. Some people like it and some people don't, just like every other album, movie, tv show, book, etc on the planet. Everyone on here is fully capable of making up their own minds and don't need to read a review to do it. Just because you don't like the new album doesn't mean we are desperately trying to like it. It means we like it.
TheGrouch33 Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 10 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: Wow, this was possibly one of the most insulting posts I've ever read. Who the hell cares what a review says and who says we are "trying" to like the revrad. Some people like it and some people don't, just like every other album, movie, tv show, book, etc on the planet. Everyone on here is fully capable of making up their own minds and don't need to read a review to do it. Just because you don't like the new album doesn't mean we are desperately trying to like it. It means we like it. its just a feeling! sorry if anyone felt offended! its hard sometimes to see flaws at first in a band you like and especially when an album has just come out and youre excited! well see how this album feels after multiple listens and some time has passed! but I respect everyone that likes revrad! I get that my comment sounded arrogant hahaha
AmyxLongview Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 I'm still waiting for them to make another 39/Smooth
TheGrouch33 Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 12 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: Wow, this was possibly one of the most insulting posts I've ever read. Who the hell cares what a review says and who says we are "trying" to like the revrad. Some people like it and some people don't, just like every other album, movie, tv show, book, etc on the planet. Everyone on here is fully capable of making up their own minds and don't need to read a review to do it. Just because you don't like the new album doesn't mean we are desperately trying to like it. It means we like it. oh and i was just suggesting people read that review just because I thought it was an interesting to read a totally different point of view not to change anyones mind for f..s sake, I know everyone has different tastes
Dakke Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 1 minute ago, TheGrouch33 said: its just a feeling! sorry if anyone felt offended! its hard sometimes to see flaws at first in a band you like and especially when an album has just come out and youre excited! well see how this album feels after multiple listens and some time has passed! but I respect everyone that likes revrad! I get that my comment sounded arrogant hahaha I respect your opinion and get the point you try to make. People constantly lionize something they love and ignore its flaws. I was actually disappointed with RevRad on my first listen. It was not until my fourth listen session that I felt emotionally connected to it. Many people here have stated that RevRad is a grower, unlike the instantly brilliant AI and Dookie. I actually think Billie's vocals are at its apex on this record (see Somewhere Now, Outlaws, Forever Now). Besides, the songs are just killer live, even Ordinary World. This album takes some effort to get into, but it's definitely their most relatable album since AI, however much I love 21CB. 3 minutes ago, AmyxLongview said: I'm still waiting for them to make another 39/Smooth Demolicious is as close as you'll get.
AmyxLongview Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, Dakke said: Demolicious is as close as you'll get. Haha it was a joke but I suppose that's true!
Dakke Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 1 minute ago, AmyxLongview said: Haha it was a joke but I suppose that's true! Haha. I didn't get the joke. I personally want another Shenanigans, there are so many great B-sides and unreleased tracks out there.
Spike Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 If you want another Shenanigans just make a playlist of your favourite b-sides
TheGrouch33 Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Just now, Dakke said: I respect your opinion and get the point you try to make. People constantly lionize something they love and ignore its flaws. I was actually disappointed with RevRad on my first listen. It was not until my fourth listen session that I felt emotionally connected to it. Many people here have stated that RevRad is a grower, unlike the instantly brilliant AI and Dookie. I actually think Billie's vocals are at its apex on this record (see Somewhere Now, Outlaws, Forever Now). Besides, the songs are just killer live, even Ordinary World. This album takes some effort to get into, but it's definitely their most relatable album since AI, however much I love 21CB. agreed! I really critizised the album the first time I heard it! and now Im enjoying it much more and finding pleasure in songs I couldnt stand before like Outlaws! AI has spoiled us, or unleast me haha because everything on there felt so fresh and energetic. I dont know maybe im being too harsh with revrad there are some great songs there!
Dakke Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Just now, Spike said: If you want another Shenanigans just make a playlist of your favourite b-sides Certainly, Spike, but I think there are some unreleased gems out there from the AI and 21CB era (besides Too Much Too Soon, Governator, Lights Out and Hearts Collide), and some stuff written for RevRad that deserves to see the light of day.
Dakke Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 The first timeI saw this thread I read the title as "Can GD make AI great again?" and I was totally bewildered.
stories and songs Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 1 hour ago, MikeDirntConfused said: This really isn't a discussion. It just seems like RevRad is good, that's it, end of story. When the album was leaked there were plenty of people who were initially disappointed, and there are plenty of people who still are. And in the early days of discussion, most of us openly said that even if we personally found a lot of value in it, we could see how it wouldn't be for everyone. Music is subjective—there's not right or wrong answer to something so personal. But of course if you start a thread bringing up the question of whether the new album is as good as previous work, people will defend their opinions. But I think I can safely speak for a lot of people on here in saying that we're only defending our own view, not trying to tell you you're wrong.
dharmafox Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 in my opinion, DOS! seemed like the most MEH album they ever made.
Haushinka! Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 2 hours ago, MikeDirntConfused said: Once again, I'm not saying make another epic, rock opera or something as revolutiinary as AI. I'm just saying that GD's recent work has been lacking in quality for the most part. Compare random songs from the 90s to the trilogy and RevRad. In the 90s, there was effort, meaningful lyrics, and the songs have passed the test of time. I honestly feel that GD's recent work will be forgotten in a few years. Honestly, some of you guys can't stand criticism of this band at all. I think maybe you should've titled the thread differently since you're not specifically talking about American Idiot. Like others have said, it all comes down to personal preference and opinion. You may not like Rev Rad, but others love it. I don't like 21CB, while others do. So Green Day at their "best" is subjective. Like you, I absolutely love everything they made up to American Idiot. I think the main disappointing change for me is the lyrics. Then again, Billie has been writing lyrics for 30 years now. It's understandable that his writing skills aren't the same as they were years ago. In my opinion, I think Rev Rad is a step in the right direction. Overall, i'm just amazed that this band was able to put out 8 albums in a row that are absolutely amazing. Not many bands can say that! Even the albums I don't love (Trilogy and 21CB) have some tracks that I enjoy. I get what you're saying but we also can't forget how lucky we are to have the amount of fantastic albums we have from Green Day.
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