stories and songs Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Definitely agree with @Billie Hoe on the trilogy. It was forced fun, not fun fun. I wasn't having a ton of fun at that point.
greendepent Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 They can, but seems Green Day works around their own context. To make an album like that, they must feel in a way similar to that time. Revrad has the sound, but not the lyric brilliance nor the creative music
MikeDirntConfused Posted October 14, 2016 Author Posted October 14, 2016 Even the albums up to Warning had that effort and drive. 1 minute ago, greendepent said: They can, but seems Green Day works around their own context. To make an album like that, they must feel in a way similar to that time. Revrad has the sound, but not the lyric brilliance nor the creative music 100% agree.
Billie Hoe Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, MikeDirntConfused said: Even the albums to Warning had that effort and drive. Yeah, about that. If I recall correctly, they went into the studio with Warning without having a single lyric written. Talk about effort I think they put a lot of effort into RevRad. I mean, they built their own studio for it, they produced it themselves, Mike had bass lessons. It might not be their best work lyric wise, but you really can't deny that they put their heart into this record. You might not like it, that's your subjective opinion, but that doesn't make it a bad album.
MikeDirntConfused Posted October 14, 2016 Author Posted October 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Billie Hoe said: Yeah, about that. If I recall correctly, they went into the studio with Warning without having a single lyric written. Talk about effort I think they put a lot of effort into RevRad. I mean, they built their own studio for it, they produced it themselves, Mike had bass lessons. It might not be their best work lyric wise, but you really can't deny that they put their heart into this record. You might not like it, that's your subjective opinion, but that doesn't make it a bad album. I thought Church on Sunday was written by BJ to convince 80 to stay with him. I believe that no lyrics thing is a myth. RevRad is not a bad album, it has effort, but for me, it lacks the attitude and drive the older albums had.
Billie Hoe Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, MikeDirntConfused said: RevRad is not a bad album, it has effort, but for me, it lacks the attitude and drive the older albums had. I can live with that
Chin for a Day Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 33 minutes ago, Tinkle said: No🙃 But I love you. Shut up. It's my favorite
MikeDirntConfused Posted October 14, 2016 Author Posted October 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jake69 said: Attitude and drive? What exactly do you mean by that? It's like comparing a successful TV series' first few seasons to it's last few seasons. They initially tried hard to make it to the top, to stand out, to be successful, to prove something to the world, to make each season like it was going to be the last. Then, somewhere along the drive started to disappear. There would still be good episodes here and there, but it's like a shell of its former self.
UNICORN VOMIT Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: Shut up. It's my favorite I just wanted you to put down your wine😋
Spike Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 American Idiot had an incredible amount of quality control. There's no filler whatsoever, even down to individual sections of songs being very tight and getting to the point. That's something they've lost in recent years, and Billie said as much himself regarding the Trilogy. But they don't need another American Idiot. They've done it, and they've moved on. Even if they wrote a similar sounding album that was as good, it'd feel derivative. One of the major criticisms of Breakdown (which I don't agree with, for the record) was that they'd tried to recreate AI. Personally I love the direction they're going now, with more obvious classic rock influences, and it feels like a more natural development than Breakdown was post-AI. If someone thinks AI is the best thing they've ever done, which I can totally get behind, then great, but it makes more sense to accept that as their plateau and enjoy what they're doing now. If you ignore the Trilogy then AI - Breakdown - RevRad makes total sense as a musical progression. As long as they sound like they mean it, I can't wait to hear where they go next.
MikeDirntConfused Posted October 14, 2016 Author Posted October 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Spike said: American Idiot had an incredible amount of quality control. There's no filler whatsoever, even down to individual sections of songs being very tight and getting to the point. That's something they've lost in recent years, and Billie said as much himself regarding the Trilogy. But they don't need another American Idiot. They've done it, and they've moved on. Even if they wrote a similar sounding album that was as good, it'd feel derivative. One of the major criticisms of Breakdown (which I don't agree with, for the record) was that they'd tried to recreate AI. Personally I love the direction they're going now, with more obvious classic rock influences, and it feels like a more natural development than Breakdown was post-AI. If someone things AI is the best thing they've ever done, which I can totally get behind, then great, but it makes more sense to accept that as their plateau and enjoy what they're doing now. If you ignore the Trilogy then AI - Breakdown - RevRad makes total sense as a musical progression. As long as they sound like they mean it, I can't wait to hear where they go next. I agree. I guess "quality control" is what I've been trying to explain for so long. RevRad has some great tunes, but lyrics-wise and creativity-wise, a good portion of the album fails to hit the mark. I enjoy some of the album, their live performances, and the music - that'll never change. I'm just wondering how they've lost some of that spark in recent years.
Spike Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Just now, MikeDirntConfused said: I agree. I guess "quality control" is what I've been trying to explain for so long. RevRad has some great tunes, but lyrics-wise and creativity-wise, a good portion of the album fails to hit the mark. I enjoy some of the album, their live performances, and the music - that'll never change. I'm just wondering how they've lost some of that spark in recent years. The thing is with AI is that it was so heavily fuelled by the political climate at the time that Billie had more than enough lyrical material for a whole album, which is why all those songs sound like they belong together. With Breakdown it was the same thing, but it was over-ambitious to try and tie it all together with characters who ultimately got lost in the shuffle. And again, that album was too long. And let's not even talk about the Trilogy I do think RevRad is a step in the right direction, I would have expected it to be more political but I guess the timing was off in terms of when the songs were written and recorded, so we avoided a record all about Trump It'll be interesting to see where they go next lyrically, because RevRad sounds like he's writing personal stuff but from a pseudo-political standpoint, which muddies the waters a bit. I don't think it's a case of losing spark, but more like Billie doesn't seem to want to write simplistic lyrics anymore.
Grinch Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 38 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said: I always thought of the trilogy trying to be the exact opposite of what American Idiot was. I felt like they got sick of people expecting them to live up to AI content wise, so they were like "fuck you" and tried to force something casual and fun instead I never thought of it as anything like American Idiot at all. I'm saying as in going back to Dookie days with random songs that aren't connected or related in any way that are about random things 42 minutes ago, Grinch said: good or bad it's what happened.
MikeDirntConfused Posted October 14, 2016 Author Posted October 14, 2016 I definitely agree with a majority of your post. I just don't see how AI and 21st had simplistic lyrics. They seem complex (ex. JoS, 21st Century Breakdown, etc.). The lyrics that were simple (Blvd, September) caught the world on fire, and people still hum them today. The songs had so many layers of interpretation: political, rock opera, general music, etc. I've honestly never heard a record like it. Even with Warning. The title track is repetitive, but the songs had detail and quality. Fashion Victim is an example of a song that you can say the band tried too hard with, but the effort is still visible. GD lyrics before the trilogy may have been off here and there, but since then the lyrics are either a hit or a miss.
SuperXCsabre495 Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 41 minutes ago, MikeDirntConfused said: It's like comparing a successful TV series' first few seasons to it's last few seasons. They initially tried hard to make it to the top, to stand out, to be successful, to prove something to the world, to make each season like it was going to be the last. Then, somewhere along the drive started to disappear. There would still be good episodes here and there, but it's like a shell of its former self. Breaking Bad would like a word with you.
GodzillaREMIX Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Part of what made AI great was the backdrop in which it was created: the post 9/11 landscape was batshit crazy and BJ found his ultimate creative muse in the era. That's simply not something that can be recreated every 3-4 years, or even every decade. I've learned not to doubt these guys, though: Count on them for great albums in between the unforgettable ones.
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Alas Jimmy blew his brains out into the bay so unless we have a zombie rock opera I don't really see how another American Idiot is possible.
MikeDirntConfused Posted October 14, 2016 Author Posted October 14, 2016 Just quality-wise, hear the 90s GD until 21st, and then hear trilogy and RevRad. The lyrics, ambition, and quality control just fell. Yes, there are good tracks but overall these albums took a fall.
stories and songs Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 14 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Alas Jimmy blew his brains out into the bay so unless we have a zombie rock opera I don't really see how another American Idiot is possible. I'm not opposed to this idea.
Jirachi Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 14 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Alas Jimmy blew his brains out into the bay so unless we have a zombie rock opera I don't really see how another American Idiot is possible. ...Go on...im listening
UNICORN VOMIT Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, stories and songs said: I'm not opposed to this idea. I think we are onto something😊
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 1 minute ago, stories and songs said: I'm not opposed to this idea. Believe me neither am I. If Billie actually could muster the lyrics I wouldn't be opposed to anything that sounds like American Idiot again. Plus I'd love to see him play a zombie St Jimmy on Broadway!
stories and songs Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Alright, everyone needs to start holding up signs at concerts that say "ZOMBIE ROCK OPERA" to plant the seed.
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