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I stand by Brutal Love, but will trade you X-Kid and Lazy Bones for Carpe Diem.

Have you ever noticed in "Hauskinka" from 2:30 - 2:40 the instrumental sounds exactly like a sped up version of "Walking Contradiction"? It's really cool and weird at the same time. ☺

As much as I like a good conspiracy theory, why would Rob Cavallo sabotage the band that probably made him the most money of his career? He is first and foremost a business man and he is there to make money. He would have lost millions of dollars by deliberately sabotaging them.

Sassafras Roots needn't be ruined since that came first.

How about we trade them for both Carpe Diem and Little Boy Named Train?

Thanks for ruining my life.

But...that's like wanting to eat a human and only getting their pinky toe with pretty nail varnish on. K'vark!

In the beginning, what I didn't understand is why the album they were describing in Cuatro -- so much energy, fun, passion, etc. -- didn't match up with the finished product. Then, after we heard Demolicious, it made more sense. The demos captured what they described, for sure. Somehow, between the demos and the finished product, something was lost. I don't think we can blame Cavallo, but I don't know if he necessarily helped the process, either. I do wonder if everyone got comfortable, and had a "We're Green Day, we can't possibly fuck this up!" attitude.

What the deal with TV sound in Homecoming "HD" ? I'm kinda lost

Just FYI, it took me a good 3 days or so to realize you were WhiteTim.

You're right. Let's just get rid of LBNT, actually.

LBNT was listenable on Demolicious. Carpe Diem was a slight improvement. Brutal Love is perfect as is. No way. Nimrod, AI, and Dookie are better produced than 21CB, and even more Cavallo albums than that are better overall.

Wait? Don't you mean Church on Sunday and Static Age? DON'T RUIN SASSAFRAS ROOTS FOR ME Nah, fuck Brutal Love. Lazy Bones would be better, or X-Kid. Or Both.

We also shouldn't forget that the band sounded infinitely better with Butch Vig behind the desk than they ever have with Rob, but I guess that's just a matter of personal taste.

I don't think changing the producer necessarily meant that they were not getting along with Cavallo. What if they just wanted to sound different and thought Vig was more capable of making them sound like they wanted to? Not everything has to be so dramatic And when it comes to the production on trilogy, whether one likes it or not, one must understand it was surely a collective decision and nobody alone is to blame. Besides, I don't find the production on the trilogy as bad as people say it is.

"Never attribute to malice what could have come about through incompetence or indifference." I have no problem believing Cavallo didn't give the Trilogy 100% of his talent and ability—it's not at all hard to see that, especially when the project is so different from what the band envisioned—but I don't buy that he deliberately went out of his way to wreak destruction on the three albums. Not to mention if it were simply a matter of being irked that the band had left him, why not sabotage them on AI? Sure, he was still executive producer on Warning, bu the band definitely shafted him after having him produce three albums for them, one of which was their breakthrough.

I suggested that theory when we were discussing the production on the Trilogy and everyone ripped my head off

I have a conspiracy that Rob Cavallo hates Green Day and tries to sabotage them. It's pretty fucked and long but I'm not high enough to go into detail on it right now.

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