DookieLukie Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/xs-john-doe-on-early-l-a-punk-why-green-day-deserve-more-respect-20160510 Thoughts?
ElmoGreenDay Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 I think he is completely right, how many other fans of different bands do you hear saying how much courage they gained through their favourite band? I certainly don't hear it. Green Day have spoke to us in such a unique way and helped us to realise that we control our lives and we shouldn't give a shit what others think or feel. Yes they have created some questionable music. Shenanigans imo. It's has its good and bad points but the band just keep on giving. They do deserve more respect they always will deserve more respect. Sorry about my shitty punctuation. Went off on a bit of a tangent there.
DookieLukie Posted May 10, 2016 Author Posted May 10, 2016 21 minutes ago, ElmoGreenDay said: I think he is completely right, how many other fans of different bands do you hear saying how much courage they gained through their favourite band? I certainly don't hear it. Green Day have spoke to us in such a unique way and helped us to realise that we control our lives and we shouldn't give a shit what others think or feel. Yes they have created some questionable music. Shenanigans imo. It's has its good and bad points but the band just keep on giving. They do deserve more respect they always will deserve more respect. Sorry about my shitty punctuation. Went off on a bit of a tangent there. I don't count Shenanigans because it was a collection of B-sides, which are usually songs deemed not ready or not good enough for the albums.
Chin for a Day Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 I thought that was a really great article. I'm not sure what he meant by questionable, I gathered he meant too poppish, but pretty much all bands have had misses. Hell the stones went through a disco stage. But I think he nailed as far as gd influence. And they are tight, even hubby had to say they were really good,live and,that was without mike.
The Great Saiyaman Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 Off topic, but when I read "John Doe" this guy popped into my head: Interesting article, though!
inthehallwaynow Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 It makes me happy John feels that way cause I love john and X
ZSebs Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 When he says, "They made some questionable records because of the producers..." is that referring to the trilogy?
ghesboro Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 Really nice article. I especially liked John's "I don't want to be hateful and grumpy" comment, people like Lydon always tend to make punk seem like a competition or an elite group when it really is not. The best way to deal with them is to leave them be. Billie is starting to get a certain taste for writing forewords it seems
petros Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 He's probably referring to the most famous songs after warning. I can understand how American idiot and 21st can seem questionable to someone that has associated green day as the punk rock band they were. They really sound different, to the pop side, than anything else they have released. No way he's referring to the trilogy he probably doesn't even know it exists (that's not a bad thing actually).
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 4 hours ago, ZSebs said: When he says, "They made some questionable records because of the producers..." is that referring to the trilogy? If he has ears, I hope so
ghesboro Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 2 hours ago, petros said: He's probably referring to the most famous songs after warning. I can understand how American idiot and 21st can seem questionable to someone that has associated green day as the punk rock band they were. They really sound different, to the pop side, than anything else they have released. No way he's referring to the trilogy he probably doesn't even know it exists (that's not a bad thing actually). I agree. I think he might be referring more to 21st CB and Warning though, considering he "blames it" on the producers and those are only albums produced by someone else that wasn't Rob Cavallo (excluding their first two albums which I don't think he was referring to). If he admires their earlier, more punk-oriented works like Dookie or Insomniac then he's probably not referring to anything Rob Cavallo has produced since he also produced those, so my first guess is he's referring to 21st CB and/or Warning.
Steven Seagull Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 17 hours ago, ElmoGreenDay said: Green Day have spoke to us in such a unique way and helped us to realise that we control our lives and we shouldn't give a shit what others think or feel. I don't need a band to tell me how I should feel or act.
scwk0511 Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said: I don't need a band to tell me how I should feel or act. Yeah, but some people need that reassurance that the way they feel/think isn't weird or different. Not a thing in the world wrong with that.
ElmoGreenDay Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 53 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said: I don't need a band to tell me how I should feel or act. Ever thought that some bands music helps people who have bad lives or backgrounds? Or just no confidence to do what they want? Music helps in many different ways.
Alan86 Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 Quote they're cool!" Some of the other bands that are associated with them I don't like, but I think they stand out. I couldn't agree anymore. Green Day are the only band associated with the "pop punk" genre that I think are any good. Some pop punk bands and I mean some of the really popular ones are just complete fuckin shite.
Steven Seagull Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 2 hours ago, ElmoGreenDay said: Ever thought that some bands music helps people who have bad lives or backgrounds? Or just no confidence to do what they want? Music helps in many different ways. Not really no 1 hour ago, Alan86 said: I couldn't agree anymore. Green Day are the only band associated with the "pop punk" genre that I think are any good. Some pop punk bands and I mean some of the really popular ones are just complete fuckin shite. Do you even Sum 41?
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 4 hours ago, Steven Seagull said: I don't need a band to tell me how I should feel or act. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AH86MeZcNw0
Alan86 Posted May 12, 2016 Posted May 12, 2016 On 11 May 2016 at 8:11 PM, Steven Seagull said: Do you even Sum 41? Im not sure how to respond to this? Is this a trick?
DookieLukie Posted May 13, 2016 Author Posted May 13, 2016 I honestly don't even understand why Green Day gets called "pop punk," and I'm guessing they get lumped into that category just because all the bands they inspired are pop punk. Honestly, as someone who's been a musician for most of my life and listens to a considerable amount of music, I don't see the similarity between a band like All Time Low and Green Day, other than that they use similar instruments. I mean, the Ramones are poppier than Green Day. Early Green Day guitar tones sound almost exactly like the guitar on "Nevermind the Bollocks." Some Green Day music is even grittier and harder than the Pistols, and certainly harder than the majority of Clash music, arguably the most talented punk band. I think American Idiot's popularity and some songs like Good Riddance and WMUWSE really messed up their "punk" image, but honestly I just see it as them growing and evolving as mature musicians.
inthehallwaynow Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, DookieLukie said: I honestly don't even understand why Green Day gets called "pop punk," and I'm guessing they get lumped into that category just because all the bands they inspired are pop punk. Honestly, as someone who's been a musician for most of my life and listens to a considerable amount of music, I don't see the similarity between a band like All Time Low and Green Day, other than that they use similar instruments. I mean, the Ramones are poppier than Green Day. Early Green Day guitar tones sound almost exactly like the guitar on "Nevermind the Bollocks." Some Green Day music is even grittier and harder than the Pistols, and certainly harder than the majority of Clash music, arguably the most talented punk band. I think American Idiot's popularity and some songs like Good Riddance and WMUWSE really messed up their "punk" image, but honestly I just see it as them growing and evolving as mature musicians. Very well said I totally agree!
ElmoGreenDay Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, DookieLukie said: I honestly don't even understand why Green Day gets called "pop punk," and I'm guessing they get lumped into that category just because all the bands they inspired are pop punk. Honestly, as someone who's been a musician for most of my life and listens to a considerable amount of music, I don't see the similarity between a band like All Time Low and Green Day, other than that they use similar instruments. I mean, the Ramones are poppier than Green Day. Early Green Day guitar tones sound almost exactly like the guitar on "Nevermind the Bollocks." Some Green Day music is even grittier and harder than the Pistols, and certainly harder than the majority of Clash music, arguably the most talented punk band. I think American Idiot's popularity and some songs like Good Riddance and WMUWSE really messed up their "punk" image, but honestly I just see it as them growing and evolving as mature musicians. Couldn't agree more to this
Chin for a Day Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 I don't understand why pop-punk is such a bad term. Green Day actually fits the text book definition of pop punk perfectly, fast tempo and loud guitars, just like standard punk, but with melodies and more theme based lyrics. Honestly, that is exactly what Green Day is. Just because they do it better than anyone else doesn't mean that isn't what they are.
Maddie86 Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 pop punk in the 90's and pop punk today are totally different. today's pop punk is fucking garbage pop music with guitars, 90's pop punk was melodic but still mostly rooted in punk.
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 It's not all about the sound. It's the lyrics that make the difference, not just how raw the guitars sound. Green Day has louder guitars than Clash, are they therefore punkier? I don't think so. Going to Pasalaqua is no more of a good example of punk than Guns of Brixton. What's the point of this discussion anyway? No one makes music to fit a label so why should we classify it.
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