Siddharth_471 Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Green Day is counted among the new wave punk rock bands who helped pioneering punk into mainstream. They were part of a DIY punk scene and have been influenced by a number of punk bands like Ramones, The Who, Sex Pistols, The Clash, Operation Ivy, The Replacements, Husker Du and many others. Green Day uses melodic elements in their music which often makes their song catchy, but I think this is what their style is and if punk is about "being yourself, and doing what you like" which Green Day does in every way then why the word "pop" is added to describe their music. There are many bands who have melodic elements in their music even some classic legends like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and many more have melodic music but they can't be labelled pop. Green Day is the band that brought me into rock and I find this phrase "Pop Punk" very unsuitable.
Chin for a Day Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 51 minutes ago, Siddharth_471 said: Green Day is counted among the new wave punk rock bands who helped pioneering punk into mainstream. They were part of a DIY punk scene and have been influenced by a number of punk bands like Ramones, The Who, Sex Pistols, The Clash, Operation Ivy, The Replacements, Husker Du and many others. Green Day uses melodic elements in their music which often makes their song catchy, but I think this is what their style is and if punk is about "being yourself, and doing what you like" which Green Day does in every way then why the word "pop" is added to describe their music. There are many bands who have melodic elements in their music even some classic legends like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and many more have melodic music but they can't be labelled pop. Green Day is the band that brought me into rock and I find this phrase "Pop Punk" very unsuitable. I personally don't like the use of genres at all. Music is music and most good bands will test the limit of the genre they are most associated with anyway. However, the definition of pop-punk is a fast temp, loud guitars pop type melodies and lyrics. So based on that definition, Green Day can most definitely fit into the pop-punk definition. They have by no means stayed within those confines, but I do understand how they are classified that way.
The Disappearing Boy Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Don't forget, 'pop' is just short for 'popular', they helped to make punk popular, hence pop punk.
Siddharth_471 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Posted January 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Disappearing Boy said: Don't forget, 'pop' is just short for 'popular', they helped to make punk popular, hence pop punk. Dude, you won the internet today!
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The Disappearing Boy Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, Siddharth_471 said: Dude, you won the internet today! I've never won an Internet before 5 minutes ago, fukingcounterstrike said: Don't encourage him. Last thing we need around this place! I promise I'll take good care of it
Ham Pascale Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 I don't know how it's to the others, but for me Green Day is a pop band with some punk influence, through and through - although this can be very subjective. They wrote, write and will probably be writing catchy, no-nonsense, accessible songs with fun and relatable lyrics - that's all it takes to be a pop band. I don't think that pop is somehow inferior and less meaningful than its harder and more technical counterparts, if not more. In my opinion, Green Day were punks as a group of individuals, but musically - most definitely not.
Hermione Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Because they make punk music with a strong pop (ie light, catchy and melodic) influence. Even on their first album many of the lyrics, melodies and guitar solos could be straight out of pop songs of the time, and they sometimes had difficulty being allowed to play at Gilman because of how pop their sound was. From the start and throughout their career they've been influenced by all kinds of acts including those with pop as part of their sound rather than just by punk acts. "Pop" doesn't only mean manufactured pop music and it doesn't mean inferior, it's an accurate description of what their music generally sounds like.
Steven Seagull Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 They are not even pop punk anymore. They were punk rock band until Insomniac, then turned to pop punk for Nimrod and Warning. After AI they are pop rock band.
Chin for a Day Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Everything people have said shows one of the reasons they were inducted into the Rock Hall. They were able to change, adapt, try new things and still maintain a high quality level. Bands that never change can be very boring and they tend to fade away.
Four. Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Steven Seagull said: They are not even pop punk anymore. They were punk rock band until Insomniac, then turned to pop punk for Nimrod and Warning. After AI they are pop rock band. they were never punk rock though. i mean, they tried to be rough for nimron and insomniac, but before that, their songs were pretty soft, with catchy choruses and stuff and talked about love.
alienlifeform Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Ramones has catchy choruses and talked about love since their first record, and they were quite melodic too... so makes no sense to label Green Day "pop" with these arguments
Private Ale. Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Alf said: Ramones has catchy choruses and talked about love since their first record, and they were quite melodic too... so makes no sense to label Green Day "pop" with these arguments Yes! that's what i don't get. Ramones is punk ,Clash is punk but Green Day is pop ?most of early Green Day sounds similar to those bands.If pop stands for popular then they should make a new genre for Beatles "pop rock" or Nirvana "pop grunge" .As nonsense as this sounds for me,pop-punk is unnecessary term. When i think of pop ,the first thing that comes to my mind is that same beat that comes from a device and several famous singers of today.So i find it disturbing or at least unnecessary.
Chin for a Day Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Alf said: Ramones has catchy choruses and talked about love since their first record, and they were quite melodic too... so makes no sense to label Green Day "pop" with these arguments 12 minutes ago, Private Ale. said: Yes! that's what i don't get. Ramones is punk ,Clash is punk but Green Day is pop ?most of early Green Day sounds similar to those bands.If pop stands for popular then they should make a new genre for Beatles "pop rock" or Nirvana "pop grunge" .As nonsense as this sounds for me,pop-punk is unnecessary term. When i think of pop ,the first thing that comes to my mind is that same beat that comes from a device and several famous singers of today.So i find it disturbing or at least unnecessary. There are many people that do consider The Ramones and The Clash to be pop-punk. More the Ramones, but I have seen them both included in that category. Plus some famous artists that are sometimes considered pop include: David Bowie, Bruno Mars, Elton John, Elvis Presley, The Rolling Stones, Kanye West, Queen, Aretha Franklin, The Beatles, etc. It looks like some pretty good company to me. Don't get hung up on labels, it is very un-punk.
Private Ale. Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 1 minute ago, JJ1964 said: There are many people that do consider The Ramones and The Clash to be pop-punk. More the Ramones, but I have seen them both included in that category. Plus some famous artists that are sometimes considered pop include: David Bowie, Bruno Mars, Elton John, Elvis Presley, The Rolling Stones, Kanye West, Queen, Aretha Franklin, The Beatles, etc. It looks like some pretty good company to me. Don't get hung up on labels, it is very un-punk. I don't make it a big deal but i just don't like it.
Steven Seagull Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Alf said: Ramones has catchy choruses and talked about love since their first record, and they were quite melodic too... so makes no sense to label Green Day "pop" with these arguments Well Ramones were shit so noone cares about them
Z J Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Four. said: they were never punk rock though. i mean, they tried to be rough for nimron and insomniac, but before that, their songs were pretty soft, with catchy choruses and stuff and talked about love. I mean Insomniac was undeniably a punk rock album. And genres do not have to have the same lyrical content. I've heard a Trap love song and a Country club song, lyrical content is not bound to a genre. And before that I think it's a consensus that they were pop punk. The punk coming from their attitudes, indy status, vocal delivery, loud guitars, and fast rhythm. The pop coming from their vocal melodies, radio-friendly hooks, and pop harmonies. It's fairly simple
Guest Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Because they're not "pop" enough to be pop, they're not "punk" enough to be punk, and the "shit" genre was already occupied by KISS.
PursuitOfEpicness Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 It's weird to think of Green Day to be "pop punk" when you hear the bands now that are considered pop punk. Like All Time Low, 5SOS (?), Blink 182, panic at the Disco. Like I see no musical similarities to Green Day? Like people assume that since Green Day is my favorite band most of my favorite bands are "pop punk" but they didn't get me into pop punk at all. They got me into the real classic punk like the Clash and Pistols and what not. Interesting to think about.
WhiteTim Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Private Ale. said: Yes! that's what i don't get. Ramones is punk ,Clash is punk but Green Day is pop ?most of early Green Day sounds similar to those bands.If pop stands for popular then they should make a new genre for Beatles "pop rock" or Nirvana "pop grunge" .As nonsense as this sounds for me,pop-punk is unnecessary term. When i think of pop ,the first thing that comes to my mind is that same beat that comes from a device and several famous singers of today.So i find it disturbing or at least unnecessary. Nirvana could never be pop grunge as they never been a grunge band
Incendium Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 42 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: Nirvana could never be pop grunge as they never been a grunge band Can't think of any word other than grunge when describing Nirvana. And I don't understand genres sometimes. Green Day sounds pretty punk to me. But then again, I've never been a specialist. Who cares about the genre? I just listen to the music.
WhiteTim Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 11 minutes ago, Incendium said: Can't think of any word other than grunge when describing Nirvana. And I don't understand genes sometimes. Green Day sounds pretty punk to me. But then again, I've never been a specialist. Who cares about the genre? I just listen to the music. grunge is slow very heavy real grunge sounds almost like death metal (check TAD) but slower no melodies at all Nirvana has 1 song that describe that...
Incendium Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 1 minute ago, WhiteTim said: grunge is slow very heavy real grunge sounds almost like death metal (check TAD) but slower no melodies at all Nirvana has 1 song that describe that... Grunge is basically a subgenre of alt rock. I think that the word can be used to describe a wide range of music, like all other genres. All grunge songs don't necessarily have to sound like Black Sabbath. Maroon 5 is alternative rock and so is Imagine Dragons even though there are basically no similarities.
WhiteTim Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Just now, Incendium said: Grunge is basically a subgenre of alt rock. I think that the word can be used to describe a wide range of music, like all other genres. All grunge songs don't necessarily have to sound like Black Sabbath. Maroon 5 is alternative rock and so is Imagine Dragons even though there are basically no similarities. wait what? so the founders of grunge who describes it as metal but slower and no melodies are lying about the sound THEY Created? nice to know Nirvana isn't grunge never has been never will be only people who call them grunge are media same media that calls Stone Temple Pilots and Pearl Jam grunge...
Incendium Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: wait what? so the founders of grunge who describes it as metal but slower and no melodies are lying about the sound THEY Created? nice to know Nirvana isn't grunge never has been never will be only people who call them grunge are media same media that calls Stone Temple Pilots and Pearl Jam grunge... Not saying that. We obviously have different opinions about what qualifies as grunge but then again, aren't opinions everything? Words evolve with usage, so does the context they're being used in. If Nirvana isn't grunge, how else can you describe it? Simply calling it a rock band wouldn't work! The same thing goes for other bands. As long as we keep confining music to terms, there will be arguments. Whether people talk about Green Day, Nirvana or Pearl Jam.
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