21CB Deserves more...

[boosho]

OK so i have been thinking about lately, American Idiot was is an epic album and i guess also the timing of its release was important and so it got a lot of recognition and stuff. But i am a bit disappointed that 21CB is not getting the same recognition that it deserves. And i am not just talking about the charts or sales but even with awards and stuff. Yes GD are being nominated but most nominations are for the band (and they fucking deserve every single one) but the album and the songs are not getting the credits its deserves.. What do you guys think??

Sorry for my rant, but i just think this album deserves a lot more than its being credits..

[CarmenPunkGirl]

that's true. but i don't think there is anything more you can do

[boosho]

i don't think there is anything more you can do

Yeh i know i just thought it would bring it up for discussion, since i cant discuss it with my friends since they are not really all that into green day... Actually i think they are already sick of me talking about them soo much..

[RobyRoom]

When it came out the critics were crazy about it, they loved it. Actually I still read good reviews about the album but the public is not reacting to it at all.

This album definitely needs more time to be digested, the songs are complex, talking about structure, and this may sound like a paradox but I'm feeling that KYE is more on the radio now than when it came out

I don't know maybe after years of philosophical discussions on the subject "Green Day are too mainstream" they will be replaced in the hardcore scene

If this makes sense

This discussion will lead us to nowhere, because I guess we all agree

except for that guy that actually prefers Kid Cudi album rather than the GD's one

Jk

on the fact that the album is underrated and has been bad promoted.

[Alan86]

Unfortunately most people today like RnB and Rap and that kind of music , I have no idea why cause it all sounds the same. But yes i think most people here will feel the same that 21st Century Breakdown should/could be doing better, thats not to say it hasn't done well. American Idiot's success was just crazy.

[novacaine_kid]

The critics love it, the reviews have been mostly positive and publications such as kerrang for example, have been drooling over it since it came out. However, the singles really didn't take off and the promotion, at least over here in the UK, has been pretty poor. A lot of people weren't even aware that they had released a new album. There was little hype and very little in the way of commercials and billboard advertisements.

Also I think its true to say that rock music is nowhere near as commercially friendly these days as RnB and Pop music is. So I think most rock bands are in the same boat. Also don't forget that AI came out at the perfect time, at the peak of the Bush administration, whereas this album could never match the impact that one did.

[NoVaCaInE!]

I was thinking about this the other day, and I sort of think that the reason it's not getting as much recognition as it should, is because like people have said before me RnB and hip hop are more popular, and power-pop/emo (or whatever you wanna call them) bands are more popular too. If you turn on Kerrang and Scuzz, you're more likely to see a band like Cobra Starship straight away than you are Green Day :/

[HoneyDo666]

Green Day are doing all these award shows, which should help. The critics drooling over it means it has a great shot at Grammy glory!

I think when billions of people watch them rock live from Times Square, they will realize what a great band they are!

Also, 2 billion people tuned in to the EMAs, so that should help.

They need some more billboards and to release another single and video STAT!

[RobyRoom]

I think that even the power pop/emo wave is kinda slowing down atm.

Dance crap rules in the airplay too IMFAO.

[miss green day]

It's just a matter of time.

I'm still digesting the album myself.

[Hermione]

The critics love it, the reviews have been mostly positive and publications such as kerrang for example, have been drooling over it since it came out. However, the singles really didn't take off and the promotion, at least over here in the UK, has been pretty poor. A lot of people weren't even aware that they had released a new album. There was little hype and very little in the way of commercials and billboard advertisements.

Also I think its true to say that rock music is nowhere near as commercially friendly these days as RnB and Pop music is. So I think most rock bands are in the same boat. Also don't forget that AI came out at the perfect time, at the peak of the Bush administration, whereas this album could never match the impact that one did.

Agreed on both points, I think this is exactly the reason. The choice of singles and the way they've been handled has been very poor.

Having heard 21st Century Breakdown, I think it's better than American Idiot and I love it. But if I'd only heard the singles I would certainly have a different impression. I'd hear singles that are weaker than AI's singles and assume that the album is also weaker - so why bother with it? The singles, and the way they've been promoted, just don't do justice to such a spectacular album. They've even blown it with East Jesus Nowhere now, instead of taking the world by storm they've given it the most low-key, half-arsed release possible. Madness!

And yeah that's gotta have made a huge difference. Around 2004 rock music was almost like a new trend, every celebrity and music act wanted to be associated with it and it was all over the charts. I hardly see or hear of rock music these days. So even if they'd nailed it with the singles and promotion it probably would never have been as big as AI. Shame because it so deserves it.

[Isabel]

American Idiot didn't exactly just happen to fall on to the shelves of the music stores. It was lashed out and practically thrown in our faces. Not even half of the same amount of time has gone into the promotion of 21st Century Breakdown. When American Idiot was released, Warner Bros. marketed it like there was no tomorrow. Everyone suddenly knew about it over night; loved it, and wanted more. It was like as if they were marketed as a totally new band because their entire image had changed since Warning and the whole "punk rock" opera approach was extraordinary, something the band had never done before. It was a total Green Day face lift.

[LilyMarie]

Good points so far about the choices of singles and other things - I also think this album needs a little time to pick up some momentum. I think that people will discover it eventually and realize how amazing it is. AI also came out at a time where everyone seemed to be desperately in need of exactly what it provided. It had been a long time since something so powerful, emotionally charged, edgy and rallying came out, so it was a huge shock to a lot of people. (in a good way)

Unfortunately, 21CB probably seems like simply more of the same to people who don't already love Green Day- and that sucks.

I think it will catch on eventually, people just need time to recognize how well they relate to it.

[Juliette]

Call me seelfish or wahtever, but I actually like that it's not become so popular that I've started to hate the songs. Because that's kinda what happened to me with AI, and also all my friends who kinda liked GD though they weren';t crazy about them, now completely hate them.

[Sanny]

Thank you!

I've been thinking the exact same thing. Just YESTERDAY there was the FIRST commercial about the new album on TV over here in Austria. Half a year later than its release. That's a shame, really.

I can remember that AI was around everywhere, you couldn't escape it, but Warner just did not invest enough time in promoting the new album, in my opinion. I'm usually very familiar with new CD releases and stuff, but honestly, I did not hear about the new album coming out until I heard KYE on TV (oh, wait, I just remember that they said something about the album at the Grammys, right?)

Also, I haven't heard 21CB on the radio yet.

I know that Austria is slow regarding those kind of things, but hey, I can remember them playing BoBD right after it came out.

And yeah, i hear them play KNY more often now than they did in May/June, considering the fact that they hardly ever play 21 Guns.

But I have to give miss green day right, I'm still listening and analyzing the album myself too, it'll just need some time until people start giving it the recognition it deserves.

Call me seelfish or wahtever, but I actually like that it's not become so popular that I've started to hate the songs. Because that's kinda what happened to me with AI, and also all my friends who kinda liked GD though they weren';t crazy about them, now completely hate them.

I know what you mean and I honestly think that the fact, that the new album is not as popular as AI is/was, will probably destroy their 'mainstream' image (sorry, I don't know how to say that, I could explain you in German, but I hope you know what I mean xD).

It's like they've stepped out of the mainstream a bit, which is good, I think...

[HoneyDo666]

I definitely agree that it's a phenomenal album, that's showing with the award nominations.

Green Day needs to do more appearances on things that everyone watches, like the New Year's Eve shindig!

Warner needs to market these singles better, they're so good and they need to be blasted in peoples' cars!

[parinaz]

The critics love it, the reviews have been mostly positive and publications such as kerrang for example, have been drooling over it since it came out. However, the singles really didn't take off and the promotion, at least over here in the UK, has been pretty poor. A lot of people weren't even aware that they had released a new album. There was little hype and very little in the way of commercials and billboard advertisements.

Also I think its true to say that rock music is nowhere near as commercially friendly these days as RnB and Pop music is. So I think most rock bands are in the same boat. Also don't forget that AI came out at the perfect time, at the peak of the Bush administration, whereas this album could never match the impact that one did.

well,the sputnikmusic and pitchfork as two of very professional and great critics didn't give it a high rate.

and i mostly believe that 21cb video deserved more....

[PasalacquaBomb]

Yes - 21 Guns - for example - was played on the radio after release 5 times per day and now you don't hear it very often.

I mean, 21CB isn't better than American Idiot and worse not, too. It's just... different.

American Idiot was released at the exactly right time - that's just the point why it was and is still so popular.

[scottrowan200]

its musicly there best album

peacemaker should be next single

its musicly there best album

peacemaker should be next single

[justcause]

I've thought since the beginning that this is the most low-key promotion of a highly-anticipated album that's possible, and it works for me. This time round, it feels like the focus is on the music and rebuilding a connection with the fanbase rather than hyping the fuck out of everything. I love the performance-based videos they put up on their site, and I love it that they sent out the lyrics to those artists who made up the exhibition that travels with the tour. That's how these songs came to us first also - the words, without the music. There's this whole sense of collaboration, communication and participation that didn't exist in the AI era, running right thru to the people who get pulled up onstage to belt out their version of Longview.

AI is an explosive, in-your-face album - 21CB is a lot more subtle, and so intensely personal that I feel like it would be almost wrong to have it whored out for the biggest sales or exposure, or even for awards that are meaningless on the whole. Real, true music like this will always find its way to the people who need to hear it.

[JHyena86]

I know what you mean and I honestly think that the fact, that the new album is not as popular as AI is/was, will probably destroy their 'mainstream' image (sorry, I don't know how to say that, I could explain you in German, but I hope you know what I mean xD).

It's like they've stepped out of the mainstream a bit, which is good, I think...

Yeah, I don't like mainstream GD. I mean, it's good for them in a way, but for me personally, it's annoying. I hate walking somewhere seeing new GD shirts from Hot Topic on EVERYONE. Then they are all "OMG You like them too?! Billie is SO HAWT". At least that's how it goes around here. And all the 'punks' love bitching about how they 'sold out' with Dookie to me and how Blink 182 is all around better and blah blah.

I definitely agree that it's a phenomenal album, that's showing with the award nominations.

Green Day needs to do more appearances on things that everyone watches, like the New Year's Eve shindig!

Warner needs to market these singles better, they're so good and they need to be blasted in peoples' cars!

That's my job! On nice days I roll down my windows and play it as loudly as I can. The looks people give me are great.

[Anja]

I agree with most of what's been said so far. There wasn't half as much marketing for this album than there was for AI and besides that, the videos and singles aren't played a lot on TV/radio, at least here (okay, I rarely watch TV but from what I know, other styles of music are way more popular than rock music is). I can't complain about it though because with all the extensive radio airplay the singles off AI got, I became kind of annoyed by it and I would not want that to happen to the 21st Century Breakdown album. And why would they need to be #1 anyway? They sell out arenas, play all over the world and above all: they play Wembley Stadium next summer!!! Seeing us, their fans, is probably the most valuable thing they can get for their music.

[Maddy.]

I've thought since the beginning that this is the most low-key promotion of a highly-anticipated album that's possible, and it works for me. This time round, it feels like the focus is on the music and rebuilding a connection with the fanbase rather than hyping the fuck out of everything. I love the performance-based videos they put up on their site, and I love it that they sent out the lyrics to those artists who made up the exhibition that travels with the tour. That's how these songs came to us first also - the words, without the music. There's this whole sense of collaboration, communication and participation that didn't exist in the AI era, running right thru to the people who get pulled up onstage to belt out their version of Longview.

AI is an explosive, in-your-face album - 21CB is a lot more subtle, and so intensely personal that I feel like it would be almost wrong to have it whored out for the biggest sales or exposure, or even for awards that are meaningless on the whole. Real, true music like this will always find its way to the people who need to hear it.

This. So much. I really can't add any more.

[Sanny]

I agree with most of what's been said so far. There wasn't half as much marketing for this album than there was for AI and besides that, the videos and singles aren't played a lot on TV/radio, at least here (okay, I rarely watch TV but from what I know, other styles of music are way more popular than rock music is). I can't complain about it though because with all the extensive radio airplay the singles off AI got, I became kind of annoyed by it and I would not want that to happen to the 21st Century Breakdown album. And why would they need to be #1 anyway? They sell out arenas, play all over the world and above all: they play Wembley Stadium next summer!!! Seeing us, their fans, is probably the most valuable thing they can get for their music.

This was such a great statement, it's making me cry

[davegrohllover]

Unfortunately most people today like RnB and Rap and that kind of music , I have no idea why cause it all sounds the same. But yes i think most people here will feel the same that 21st Century Breakdown should/could be doing better, thats not to say it hasn't done well. American Idiot's success was just crazy.

I totally agree with you. Thats all anyone ever listens to out here. Is Rap and to me it sounds all the same. I think 21 CB was such a beautiful cd. Everything about it was amazing. I don't think enough people even gave it a chance.