Nymrawd Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 im really sorry if topics like this have already been made, but i had to ask...i'm just a little confused about the character Gloria. "She is the saint of all the sinners"...but isn't she supposedto be religious or something? Does she change through the album? SOMEONE EXPLAIN EVERYTHING PLZ & THNX!
lookoutrebelgirl Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 She is the saint of all the sinnersmeans she is really rebelious because all the other sinners look at her as the like top dog of there group.
Nymrawd Posted August 3, 2009 Author Posted August 3, 2009 She is the saint of all the sinnersmeans she is really rebelious because all the other sinners look at her as the like top dog of there group.but if she's religious in any way, why would she be apart of 'their group' ? know what i mean? lol so confusedjust dont get how she could be a sinner if she's religious, unless she changes throughout the album.
Aurora Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 I thought her and Christian were opposites. Gloria being the religious one and Christian just bullshitting it all.
Guest Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 the story for 21cb seems a lot harder to follow than the story for american idiot
lookoutrebelgirl Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 but if she's religious in any way, why would she be apart of 'their group' ? know what i mean? lol so confusedjust dont get how she could be a sinner if she's religious, unless she changes throughout the album.Billie uses a lot of religious phrases to describe regular events. I really don’t know how to explain it but he meant that she’s like a saint to them but that doesn’t necessarily mean she’s religious.
Dookie93 Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 Gloria changes, to my knowledge Horseshoes and Handgrenades is through her eyes. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Nova-Caine Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 You're saying that Religious people don't sin? They are human all humans sin so therefore she can be a saint and a sinner at the same time, we all have that in us.
Nymrawd Posted August 3, 2009 Author Posted August 3, 2009 You're saying that Religious people don't sin? They are human all humans sin so therefore she can be a saint and a sinner at the same time, we all have that in us.well yes but i don't think that necessarily applies, i think she changed through out the album
Bohemian+Scandal Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 I see Gloria as the rebel with a cause. She breaks the law and fights for what she believes in no matter what. She is the saint of all the sinners, just means that she's idolized by the underground population because she is just so radical. Technically Gloria and the other "sinners" would be considered sinners by the majority and norm because of what they may do, but Billie Joe writes her as an underground hero. So yeah, "sinners" is just the way she and the others like her would be labeled as by the majority. The higher ups, and religious folks. Ect.Of course as the album goes on she struggles with herself and her weaknesses are revealed...Just my opinion of course.
Heather! Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 I see Gloria as the rebel with a cause. She breaks the law and fights for what she believes in no matter what. She is the saint of all the sinners, just means that she's idolized by the underground population because she is just so radical. Technically Gloria and the other "sinners" would be considered sinners by the majority and norm because of what they may do, but Billie Joe writes her as an underground hero. So yeah, "sinners" is just the way she and the others like her would be labeled as by the majority. The higher ups, and religious folks. Ect.Of course as the album goes on she struggles with herself and her weaknesses are revealed...Just my opinion of course.This is a good way of explaining it
.Militza. Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Gloria changes, to my knowledge Horseshoes and Handgrenades is through her eyes. Correct me if I'm wrong.H&H is Christian's song. He describes how Gloria changed in his eyes, and he's mad at her because of it.
mallorymaloney Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 How come the lyrics are occasionally written as, 'She is the saint on all the sinners' ...?
.Militza. Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 ^ Do you have the CD? It's says 'She is the saint of all the sinners'. And frankly 'She is the saint on all the sinners' doesn't make much sense.
mallorymaloney Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 ^ Do you have the CD? It's says 'She is the saint of all the sinners'. And frankly 'She is the saint on all the sinners' doesn't make much sense.Oh, really?And yes. Obviously I have the CD --- As you can plainly see above. ;D
.Militza. Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 But I can clearly hear 'of'! And what would 'the saint on all the sinners ' mean ?
toaster_poodle Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 I thought her and Christian were opposites. Gloria being the religious one and Christian just bullshitting it all.Not the case at all...the way I see it, Christian and Gloria are "on the same side", so to speak. They are both fed up with all the bullshit surrounding pretty much everything, religion included. The difference is, as someone said earlier, that Gloria has these strong beliefs and fights for them; she's an activist. That's what Last of the American Girls is about. Christian, on the other hand, is just pissed off and wants to "burn it all down" (as BJA always puts it). He's probably not gonna go to rallies and petition for change or anything like that, he just wants to fuck shit up. H&H is Christian's song. He describes how Gloria changed in his eyes, and he's mad at her because of it.Can you explain that a little more? I haven't caught that part of the story...I always thought of H&H as just Christian lashing out at society and whatnot
.Militza. Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 ]Can you explain that a little more? I haven't caught that part of the story...I always thought of H&H as just Christian lashing out at society and whatnot Ok I'll give it a try, but i usually suck at this.Before this song is RHS...and in that song we are finding out that Gloria has an addiction problem. ''It's like an ulcer bleeding in my brainSend me to the pharmacySo I can lose my memoryI'm elatedMedicatedLord knows I tried to find a way to run away..."And for Christian Gloria was something he loves. And he had a different picture in his mind about her, as righteous, rebelious, but for a good cause, the one who holds the torch...And finding out that she has drug addiction, and that she couldn't resist drugs throws all his beliefs in the water...And he gets mad.And knowing Christian as the self-destructive one, the song is about his rage for her. "I'm not fucking around" tells us he is serious!''Maybe you're the runner upBut the first one to lose the raceAlmost only really counts inHorseshoes and hand grenades''These lines tells us what he thinks she become. In his eyes she failed. And having her as a rolemodel makes him feel lost, and well mad about the situation, so he takes it on her.
Bohemian+Scandal Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 But I can clearly hear 'of'! And what would 'the saint on all the sinners ' mean ?With Green Day it's extremely common for the lyrics in the booklet to be slightly different from what's actually sung. It's been like that for ages. So yes, the booklet does say on, but Billie sings of.As for what "She is the saint ON all the sinners" means. In the Catholic religion people often wear their favorite saints on a necklace or bracelet. So the saint is "on" them. It has the same basic meaning as the sung line. All we need to know is Gloria is their saint.
Nymrawd Posted August 4, 2009 Author Posted August 4, 2009 With Green Day it's extremely common for the lyrics in the booklet to be slightly different from what's actually sung. It's been like that for ages. So yes, the booklet does say on, but Billie sings of.As for what "She is the saint ON all the sinners" means. In the Catholic religion people often wear their favorite saints on a necklace or bracelet. So the saint is "on" them. It has the same basic meaning as the sung line. All we need to know is Gloria is their saint. that makes sense wow thank you!
Supermodel*Robot Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 As much as the lyrics prove that she's a radical leader, I still just feel like she's this broken girl. It was my initial image & it still sort of is. She leads revolution, but on an emotional level, she's still a wreck.Make sense a bit?
Nymrawd Posted August 4, 2009 Author Posted August 4, 2009 As much as the lyrics prove that she's a radical leader, I still just feel like she's this broken girl. It was my initial image & it still sort of is. She leads revolution, but on an emotional level, she's still a wreck.Make sense a bit?yea i see that as well, especially in restless heart syndrome which i'm assuming is about her
Freeny Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 the story for 21cb seems a lot harder to follow than the story for american idiotthat's because there isn't a real story to it
Bohemian+Scandal Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Man, this thread just reminds me of how much I love the characters and story of 21CB. It's so beautiful.
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