myprivateale Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Mike was the reason that i wanted to start playing bass and i was always excited to hear his new stuff each time they bought out a new album. He was always one of the best around, but when AI came out i was shocked that there was hardly a bass line on the whole album. There are parts in JOS and Holiday but they are still just the root notes really. Im not having a go at him or anything like that as im a huge fan, im just intrested what other people think the reasons might be?? My idea is that on the earlier albums upto warning there was only ever one guitar mostly playing rhythm as Billie has to sing, so Mike had lots of oppurtunity to fill out the sound so speak. Songs like Redundant, Stuck With Me, Sasaffras Roots, When I Aome Around 80, 86 etc are all good examples of this. And on other songs he had some great fills and solo bass parts Welcome To Paradise, Stu & the Ave, Reject, In The End the list goes on lol. Warning was the first time (i think) they used a second guitarist on stage to play lead and there is less of the obvious bass lins on this album , though Minority, Warning and Hold On are still good examples of his work. Then in AI there is alot bigger sound with guitars, keyboard and stuff on nearly all the tracks and there is hardly any bass lines at all.So to sum up i think now that the songs have a much bigger sound and its not just the three of them on stage or on the album there is less need for Mikes bass lines with so much other stuff going on in the songs now.But i still want them back please Mike Would be intrested ot hear other peoples views on this if i havent sent you all to sleep???
Katarina. Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 I've heard some nice basslines on the new album, so don't worry
The Disappearing Boy Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 yeah, mike seriously needs some good bass lines.
rage-love-life Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 They're there but just got covered up with the stuff that they used. There's a good bass solo in Holiday and Boulevard of Broken Dreams.
Lauren Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Yeah, I love bass. I love songs where bass stands out. That is why Green Day and the Beatles are my favorite bands!Stuart and the Avenue, anyone?
myprivateale Posted April 22, 2009 Author Posted April 22, 2009 Yea but boulevard and holiday are very basic still and mostly the root notes from either the verse/chorus. Not in the same league as say Stuck with Me or Longview etc
Starbug Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Lights Out has a pretty cool bass riffThat's what I was thinking....When I saw this topic, my mind immediately jumped to the beginning of Stuart and the Ave. That's a badass bass line.I think Mike is still one of the best around. I think he's brilliant.
Zalex Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 I don't want to say anything on the new album since I've only heard 2 songs off of it, but I can see where you're coming from.Although I don't really play regularly, I did learn to play bass a bit two summers ago at camp and I still would love to keep playing (if I could ever get my hands on a bass). I always like to listen to Green Day songs more carefully for the bassline and I've definitely noticed there is less of it in the more recent albums. But yeah, as I said, I'm waiting til I hear the full album to make any conclusions.
nimrod-41 Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 I would love to have one of Mike's old-school bass lines on the new album.I was a bit disapointed with the bass solo in Jesus Of Suburbia at first cuz it's just the same note.. Even though it fits in perfectly with the song and still sounds amazing, I expected something a bit more from him.But I can let him off for that because I think the bass line in Stuart And The Ave. is one of the best ever written
Juan Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 he just took a less is more approach, he'll come back
Hermione Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Yeah, I'd say it's just their songs generally have more layers of music now, so they don't stand out so much in amoungst it. But I bet there'll still be a killer bassline or two somewhere on the album.
MusicalDeviant Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 They went up Billie's guitar's ass. Hey hey hey. Its really easy to pick on the lead singer. But I guarantee that the loss of prominent bass riffs over the years is the result of many things besides Billie Joe.
TheBullwinkle Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 Hey hey hey. Its really easy to pick on the lead singer. But I guarantee that the loss of prominent bass riffs over the years is the result of many things besides Billie Joe.Yes, especially when the lead singer is Billie Joe. And I wasn't necessarily blaming it on him. It has to do with the way the songs are written and production and such, I'm sure.
Starbug Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 Yeah, I'd say it's just their songs generally have more layers of music now, so they don't stand out so much in amoungst it. But I bet there'll still be a killer bassline or two somewhere on the album.Yeah, and I've even noticed there's not quite as many standout drum solos, not since their earlier albums. Correct me, someone, if I'm wrong? I think Tre's best playing was on Dookie. He's fantastic, don't get me wrong, but there's something about songs like Burnout and In the End that really make those drums shine.
MusicalDeviant Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 Yes, especially when the lead singer is Billie Joe. And I wasn't necessarily blaming it on him. It has to do with the way the songs are written and production and such, I'm sure.Production, ie Rob Cavallo. Who always seemed to me to be pompous. That was always my biggest gripe about AI: never enough bass. I'd always have to fiddle with the bass on my computer.
Starbug Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 Production, ie Rob Cavallo. Who always seemed to me to be pompous. That was always my biggest gripe about AI: never enough bass. I'd always have to fiddle with the bass on my computer.Plenty of bass on Dookie! And nimrod. And Insomniac After that? Not as much.
TheBullwinkle Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 Yeah, and I've even noticed there's not quite as many standout drum solos, not since their earlier albums. Correct me, someone, if I'm wrong? I think Tre's best playing was on Dookie. He's fantastic, don't get me wrong, but there's something about songs like Burnout and In the End that really make those drums shine.I definitely know what you mean. I was kinda disappointed in the drum department when I heard "Know Your Enemy". :/Production, ie Rob Cavallo. Who always seemed to me to be pompous. That was always my biggest gripe about AI: never enough bass. I'd always have to fiddle with the bass on my computer.Yeah, it's unfortunate that they've cut back on it, because Mike really is a great bassist.
MusicalDeviant Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 I definitely know what you mean. I was kinda disappointed in the drum department when I heard "Know Your Enemy". :/Yeah, it's unfortunate that they've cut back on it, because Mike really is a great bassist.He is. And he's better at playing bass than billie joe is at playing the guitar.
Starbug Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 I definitely know what you mean. I was kinda disappointed in the drum department when I heard "Know Your Enemy". :/Yeah, it's unfortunate that they've cut back on it, because Mike really is a great bassist.All this Dookie talk has compelled me to turn it on, uninterrupted, not on shuffle, beginning to end lol Now I'm on Chump... At about 1:26, the drums start rolling and bass starts, it's raw and it's powerful, how it bleeds right into Longview... Ahh, I'm having a bit of a geekout. Burnout, the whole way through is awesome for the drums... Longview, however, is owned by Mike
TheBullwinkle Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 He is. And he's better at playing bass than billie joe is at playing the guitar.So damn true.All this Dookie talk has compelled me to turn it on, uninterrupted, not on shuffle, beginning to end lol Now I'm on Chump... At about 1:26, the drums start rolling and bass starts, it's raw and it's powerful, how it bleeds right into Longview... Ahh, I'm having a bit of a geekout. Burnout, the whole way through is awesome for the drums... Longview, however, is owned by Mike Ah, but then you get to "Welcome To Paradise". The drums on that song blow my mind.
MusicalDeviant Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 Longview, however, is owned by Mike Hell yeah it is.So damn true.Ah, but then you get to "Welcome To Paradise". The drums on that song blow my mind. How many back-up bassists does green day have? Oh, right: 0. Back up guitarists? 2What about Platypus (I Hate You)? Tre's drumming on that track stuns me every time I listen to it.
TheBullwinkle Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 Hell yeah it is.How many back-up bassists does green day have? Oh, right: 0. Back up guitarists? 2What about Platypus (I Hate You)? Tre's drumming on that track stuns me every time I listen to it.Hahaha, exactly. Mike really is incredible. I was watching his fingers move on the fret board at the DNA Lounge show, and my brain almost exploded.Yeah, I really don't think people give him enough credit for being versatile with his drumming. "Platypus" is just great all around.
Juan Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 Platypus is like standard hardcore with a little flair. it's interesting how loud the bass is throughout Dookie, Insomniac and Nimrod, and then now I can't hear the bass. However one of the things why green day is so great is because Mike and Tre are SOLID, not a single mistake while playing, and Both Jason's are very good at execution too
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