A little over a year and a half since Saviors came out, so when could we start hearing any rumors or hints about album 15?

[Winter321]

 

15 minutes ago, jengd said:

I’m with @Clockwise and as a European who loves the US, watching what’s happening there, I think now is not the time for the olive branch but to be loud and angry.

100%. In my country we just had elections a few months ago and the choice was between a guy similar to Trump and an ex-social activist for some good causes. 
 

The people who voted for Trump-wanna-be were hateful, uneducated, and wanted to take away our freedom and human rights, and sell us to Putin. I’m usually a pretty peaceful person, all about diplomacy, but I’d never extend an olive branch to them. God can forgive them, because I certainly can’t.

There’s only so much you can do when it comes to disagreeing on politics. But you can’t be friends with those who want to take away your rights. 

[billy1986]

You could like Green Day…and also not share EVERY opinion of theirs and still be a fan and a good person. 

[Cris.]

Wow, things went off topic very drastically, very quickly

 

On 8/25/2025 at 8:21 AM, Clockwise said:

Personally, I don't think we should be extending olive branches to Nazis but that's just me!

 

On 8/25/2025 at 10:09 AM, billy1986 said:

So if you are not far left or a Bernie supporter and your in the middle then your a nazi?

 

18 hours ago, Clockwise said:

 

Not to go too off topic, but if you're on the fence about mass deportations, trans rights or the genocide in Gaza, then I think you've made your choice. I'm not talking about either of you personally, but more and more these days saying you're in "the middle" just means you're on the right but are too afraid to say it.

100% I agree that no one should be extending olive branches to Nazis.

That said, I don't think you can categorize every single Trump supporter as a Nazi. Even numerically, if you look at pretty much any poll in the US right now, you can see that the majority of people do not agree with indiscriminate mass deportation, and yet the majority of people who voted, voted for Trump. So obviously there are people who voted for him (many, I would say) who do not agree with mass deportation (the same can probably be said on trans rights, genocide, or any other topic under the sun, but I'll stick to the mass deportation example here). When someone says they are for "border security" that can mean a million different things for a million different people: in the far right end of the spectrum, sure you will find people who want no immigrants at all, no matter their circumstances, background, or how much they positively contribute to the country, and who think indiscriminate mass deportation is great. But for others it will mean deporting only those with a violent criminal record, for others it will be deporting anyone with a criminal record, be it violent or not, for someone else it will mean deporting people with a criminal record as well as those who entered illegally, even if they have no criminal record at all, etc etc.., and none of these people necessarily support mass and indiscriminate deportations, and you can definitely have reasonable conversations with any of them. Many of them might have voted for Trump mainly because he promised to deport criminals, and they believed that wouldn't mean mass indiscriminate deportations, or they might have voted for Trump mainly for another reason and this was just secondary.  But if we just label them all as Nazis / fascist / pro mass indiscriminate deportation, we are not going to be able to communicate with them, to understand them, or much less to get them to consider switching sides. I truly do believe that the only way out of this mess is dialogue, and a dialogue where we can see nuances and not just have a binary classification where you are either a democrat or a fascist.

And before anyone blames me of being "far right but too afraid to admit it", keep in mind that I am Venezuelan, and half my family is currently in the US based there an asylum seekers, and Venezuelans are the favorite target population for Trump's deportation program right now, so not only am I vehemently again mass deportation, but in the case of the US it is a very personal issue for me, one in which I have actual skin in the game.

Also the comment that started all of this was someone imagining a song where Billie talks about Trump's assassination attempt, and how even though he hates the guy, he doesn't want that type of violence, and how that'd be extending an olive branch to the other side. Making a jump from that, to extending an olive branch to Nazi's, it's quite a leap in my opinion.

[Hermione]

On 8/24/2025 at 8:30 PM, GDFan2019 said:

I could see Billie writing a song about the assassination attempt on Trump, like where he expresses his hatred for him while at the same time calling for the end of violence

I couldn't lol

Billie isn't a centrist he's a leftist liberal and a punk. He will never be a centrist especially not at a time when the right is absolutely insane and doing horrendous damage across the earth

13 hours ago, billy1986 said:

No im mostly in the middle pro gay marriage pro border security pro life for gun control against war. There is a middle where most people land on 

Because you have some reasonable stances doesn't make your unreasonable and harmful stances any more justified. If you are pro what ICE is doing right now and pro forced birth and denying women bodily autonomy those are fascist stances and you can expect to be judged for them

[Winter321]

22 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Billie isn't a centrist he's a leftist liberal

By European standards he’s definitely not a leftist, more of a center-left, but Americans categorize Bernie as a leftist, and he’s center left at most on a good day, mostly a centrist.  
 

American politics are so fucked up that advocating for basic human rights turns you into a “leftist”. 

[Mollyluna]

1 hour ago, Cris. said:

 I truly do believe that the only way out of this mess is dialogue, and a dialogue where we can see nuances and not just have a binary classification where you are either a democrat or a fascist.

I‘m with you there and wish this could be possible. But sadly I‘ve lost hope for something like this to happen. I can’t speak for the US, not enough insight there. But here in Germany the fascist party is rapidly gaining ground which horrifies me. And their voters don’t want to discuss, they don’t want arguments. They live with their view of the world that can’t be changed. I don’t see a solution…😟

[Winter321]

18 minutes ago, Mollyluna said:

I‘m with you there and wish this could be possible. But sadly I‘ve lost hope for something like this to happen. I can’t speak for the US, not enough insight there. But here in Germany the fascist party is rapidly gaining ground which horrifies me. And their voters don’t want to discuss, they don’t want arguments. They live with their view of the world that can’t be changed. I don’t see a solution…😟

I have the same problem. I’m usually all for dialogue and understanding each other but with these idiots there’s literally nothing to talk about because they don’t wanna talk. They are brainwashed through and through and they want to live under a dictatorship. They need a big brother to tell them what to do and how to live their life.

[Mollyluna]

38 minutes ago, Winter321 said:

I have the same problem. I’m usually all for dialogue and understanding each other but with these idiots there’s literally nothing to talk about because they don’t wanna talk. They are brainwashed through and through and they want to live under a dictatorship. They need a big brother to tell them what to do and how to live their life.

Exactly. And I absolutely cannot understand this. Personal freedom is one of the greatest goods we have.

[GreenDayJunkie86]

Wow, what's going on in the Album 15 Speculation thread today . All I am reading is nazi nazi nazi. I do not think just cuz you're a trump voter means you automatically agree with EVERYTHING he says and does. For example, someone could've voted for him, being like "well, both the candidates suck, so I will pick the lesser of two evils." Yeah, trump has done bad things, but his voters right now cannot change or do something about it. Therefore, not all trump voters are nazis

I am not dedicated to left or right. To me, trump is not a very good person, and I do not agree with a majority of what he does, but that doesn't mean his voters are the same way.