1972 project speculation thread

[killjoywhatsername]

1 hour ago, jakdokinori said:

Where they play DOS in full 

Oh how I wish to see Nightlife performed live. 

[That Dude]

27 minutes ago, killjoywhatsername said:

Oh how I wish to see Nightlife performed live. 

I am unsure if Monica Painter is still performing as Lady Cobra.  Maybe Mike could do the rap.  I'd love to hear what happened to The Knights.  I bet the Network sabotaged them.   But yes, we definitely need a dose of Dos in the set.  

[localinsomniac]

3 minutes ago, That Dude said:

I am unsure if Monica Painter is still performing as Lady Cobra.  Maybe Mike could do the rap.  I'd love to hear what happened to The Knights.  I bet the Network sabotaged them.   But yes, we definitely need a dose of Dos in the set.  

She's tattooing full time at a place called Golden Hour

[pcj]

6 hours ago, DJ Rosstar said:

I’m a lyrics guy, and I hold Billie Joe to a higher standard than any other band I listen to. When people tell me they love the FOAMF record, it makes me think that they do not care about lyrics the way that I do. They are cringey throughout the whole thing!

Respect your view fully. If I may I would like to share my intimate feelings of how FOAM has affected me. Sorry it's a bit long.

On the surface GD wanted to dance. Just listening to the music it comes across as a party let's have fun album.

But once you concentrate on the lyrics imho the message was there. As Billie Joe told Playboy, 'The political content is still there, but it's more subtle.

He told Spin in 2020 'I think this whole record, the point was to make GD more danceable..... and just sort of that common natural instinct with beats that make people want to move'.

Then in NME that year 'You can't help but think about Trump a little bit, but that wasn't really in the front of my mind. FOAM is just a badass title.  It was just too obvious. We live in really dangerous times right now. Everything feels sort of unpredictable. America is really fucked up, and it's hard to draw any inspiration from it, because it depresses me '

For the FOAM song itself, Billie Joe told Rolling Stone, 'I was getting into Motown & soul music, and trying to channel that. I'd been listening to the first couple of Prince records, and everything is in falsetto. At that time, I was in this weird kind of depression, and that's what the song is about. With Trump, it's this toxicity that's in our culture, and we're deeply, deeply divided to a point of paranoia that we've never felt before. There's a line: "We are rivals in the riot that's inside of us," I feel like that's what's happening in our culture.'

If I may I would like to further put forward 2 examples that the lyrics in FOAM songs are not meaninglessness but are in fact profound imho, and as always Billie Joe expresses it so amazingly in his lyrics that life is shit, but it's not our fault. 

 

W.E. Spevack, in his book Green Day on Track, gave an amazing description of the story told in these two songs. This is a summary  using my words Thank you.

Sugar Youth and which had to follow Junkies on a High, is a happy danceable track but tells a story. It starts with the narrator wanting to get wasted on 'yayo' to escape the world issues. Then in JOAH, it's the comedown. He is tired, his happy mood is gone, the song is calmed. Using the SY narrator, Billie Joe sings about watching the world burn while living it up. He identifies as 'Nobody'. ( Holy shit, for me personally I've felt that in the past). In the chorus, Billie Joe mentions being "another rock 'n' roll tragedy" again he told Spin, 'I think that line kind of scares me. Sometimes it feels like hell hounds on your trail a little bit'.

In 30+ years absorbing Billie Joe's lyrics, they have always affected me deeply, whilst helping me so much. And FOAM has been no different.

(Sorry for the long message, just wanted to set an alternative view of FOAM and what I think Billie Joe was trying to convey. It's just how it affected me. Thanks for listening)

 

[Clockwise]

12 minutes ago, pcj said:

Respect your view fully. If I may I would like to share my intimate feelings of how FOAM has affected me. Sorry it's a bit long.

On the surface GD wanted to dance. Just listening to the music it comes across as a party let's have fun album.

But once you concentrate on the lyrics imho the message was there. As Billie Joe told Playboy, 'The political content is still there, but it's more subtle.

He told Spin in 2020 'I think this whole record, the point was to make GD more danceable..... and just sort of that common natural instinct with beats that make people want to move'.

Then in NME that year 'You can't help but think about Trump a little bit, but that wasn't really in the front of my mind. FOAM is just a badass title.  It was just too obvious. We live in really dangerous times right now. Everything feels sort of unpredictable. America is really fucked up, and it's hard to draw any inspiration from it, because it depresses me '

For the FOAM song itself, Billie Joe told Rolling Stone, 'I was getting into Motown & soul music, and trying to channel that. I'd been listening to the first couple of Prince records, and everything is in falsetto. At that time, I was in this weird kind of depression, and that's what the song is about. With Trump, it's this toxicity that's in our culture, and we're deeply, deeply divided to a point of paranoia that we've never felt before. There's a line: "We are rivals in the riot that's inside of us," I feel like that's what's happening in our culture.'

If I may I would like to further put forward 2 examples that the lyrics in FOAM songs are not meaninglessness but are in fact profound imho, and as always Billie Joe expresses it so amazingly in his lyrics that life is shit, but it's not our fault. 

 

W.E. Spevack, in his book Green Day on Track, gave an amazing description of the story told in these two songs. This is a summary  using my words Thank you.

Sugar Youth and which had to follow Junkies on a High, is a happy danceable track but tells a story. It starts with the narrator wanting to get wasted on 'yayo' to escape the world issues. Then in JOAH, it's the comedown. He is tired, his happy mood is gone, the song is calmed. Using the SY narrator, Billie Joe sings about watching the world burn while living it up. He identifies as 'Nobody'. ( Holy shit, for me personally I've felt that in the past). In the chorus, Billie Joe mentions being "another rock 'n' roll tragedy" again he told Spin, 'I think that line kind of scares me. Sometimes it feels like hell hounds on your trail a little bit'.

In 30+ years absorbing Billie Joe's lyrics, they have always affected me deeply, whilst helping me so much. And FOAM has been no different.

(Sorry for the long message, just wanted to set an alternative view of FOAM and what I think Billie Joe was trying to convey. It's just how it affected me. Thanks for listening)

 

100 percent. FOAM is unfairly maligned, I think the lyrics are better overall than on RevRad tbh.

[localinsomniac]

13 minutes ago, pcj said:

In the chorus, Billie Joe mentions being "another rock 'n' roll tragedy" again he told Spin, 'I think that line kind of scares me. Sometimes it feels like hell hounds on your trail a little bit'.

We see you referencing your older lyrics, Legweak

[greenday.stuff]

3 minutes ago, pcj said:

Respect your view fully. If I may I would like to share my intimate feelings of how FOAM has affected me. Sorry it's a bit long.

On the surface GD wanted to dance. Just listening to the music it comes across as a party let's have fun album.

But once you concentrate on the lyrics imho the message was there. As Billie Joe told Playboy, 'The political content is still there, but it's more subtle.

He told Spin in 2020 'I think this whole record, the point was to make GD more danceable..... and just sort of that common natural instinct with beats that make people want to move'.

Then in NME that year 'You can't help but think about Trump a little bit, but that wasn't really in the front of my mind. FOAM is just a badass title.  It was just too obvious. We live in really dangerous times right now. Everything feels sort of unpredictable. America is really fucked up, and it's hard to draw any inspiration from it, because it depresses me '

For the FOAM song itself, Billie Joe told Rolling Stone, 'I was getting into Motown & soul music, and trying to channel that. I'd been listening to the first couple of Prince records, and everything is in falsetto. At that time, I was in this weird kind of depression, and that's what the song is about. With Trump, it's this toxicity that's in our culture, and we're deeply, deeply divided to a point of paranoia that we've never felt before. There's a line: "We are rivals in the riot that's inside of us," I feel like that's what's happening in our culture.'

If I may I would like to further put forward 2 examples that the lyrics in FOAM songs are not meaninglessness but are in fact profound imho, and as always Billie Joe expresses it so amazingly in his lyrics that life is shit, but it's not our fault. 

 

W.E. Spevack, in his book Green Day on Track, gave an amazing description of the story told in these two songs. Thank you.

Sugar Youth and which had to follow Junkies on a High, is a happy danceable track but tells a story. It starts with the narrator wanting to get wasted on 'yayo' to escape the world issues. Then in JOAH, it's the comedown. He is tired, his happy mood is gone, the song is calmed. Using the SY narrator, Billie Joe sings about watching the world burn while living it up. He identifies as 'Nobody'. ( Holy shit, for me personally I've felt that in the past). In the chorus, Billie Joe mentions being "another rock 'n' roll tragedy" again he told Spin, 'I think that line kind of scares me. Sometimes it feels like hell hounds on your trail a little bit'.

In 30+ years absorbing Billie Joe's lyrics, they have always affected me deeply, whilst helping me so much. And FOAM has been no different.

(Sorry for the long message, just wanted to set an alternative view of FOAM and what I think Billie Joe was trying to convey. It's just how it affected me. Thanks for listening)

 

Back the fuck up...

Why the hell was Billie Joe doing an interview with playboy? About FOAMF of all things???

Also, I'm glad that the album means something to you, and while I don't disagree that there is some meaningful political and more serious lyrical content sprinkled in, you can't deny that this album is painfully half baked. A lot of that more serious stuff felt like throwaway ideas. It's hard to take a lot of these songs seriously because they're mixed in with what I would essentially call such "bullshit". It's not cohesive. Some of this material you just can't defend. I was a teenage teenager is meaningless garbage. It sounds like a teenager wrote it honestly. So mission accomplished??? 

I don't think that there isn't meaningful lyrical content, but I feel like the album as a whole really discredits whatever statement Billie was trying to make with the more serious songs. The whole thing feels really divided. On one end you have wooo let's dance and have fun and it doesn't matter let's just do whatever the fuck we want. And on the other end, you have songs like graffitia, junkies on a high, etc. I understand that part of the point was to be more subtle and with how those statements were made, but I feel as though it really does a disservice to what is being said. Not every song on an album needs to have a deeper meaning, and you can easily pull off having a mix of themes (they've done a great job of it in the past), but the biggest problem here that the album just doesn't work. You see this battle going on even within the songs. In junkies on a high you have the rock and roll tragedy lyric, and then there's shit about kool aid??? Even the songs themselves aren't cohesive. It feels like Billie came up with one good thing and was just like "I'm gonna bullshit the rest." It's almost as if they were trying to not try. There's a difference between not trying to create good art and it coming naturally, and trying to force that.

[pacejunkie punk]

25 minutes ago, localinsomniac said:

We see you referencing your older lyrics, Legweak

Who else sang it in their head when they read that?

[Montclare]

1 hour ago, That Dude said:

I am unsure if Monica Painter is still performing as Lady Cobra.  Maybe Mike could do the rap.  I'd love to hear what happened to The Knights.  I bet the Network sabotaged them.   But yes, we definitely need a dose of Dos in the set.  

I want Kevin to do the rap.

[That Dude]

1 hour ago, localinsomniac said:

She's tattooing full time at a place called Golden Hour

Really? That's awesome. I'm actually in the market for one last tat.  Do you think she'd sing Nightlife on repeat the whole time she's inking me? I'd tip for it.   Who knows, maybe she did a verse on American Dream.  Here's to hoping.  

 

[That Dude]

What if the music blasting from Billie's alarm clock isn't a song on the new album at all?  It's just a cool riff leftover from the sucky 1972 EP and Green Day are just wanting to hold off on anyone hearing ANYTHING until it's time? 

Well, until we hear something here's a tracklist: 

1. 1981

2. Fickle People

3. Catch Me Like a Break

4. Cyclops

5.  Day's A Coming

6. Savior 

7.  Saw You In A Dream

8. American Dream 

9.  Killing Me

10. Dreamland

[GDFan2019]

I can just picture how the new song is going to sound

First, the intro that we heard in the teaser

Then the heavy guitars kick in, like we heard at the end, Da-na-na-nananana-naaaaa Da-na-nana-nana

Then the drums kick in, pa-pa-pa-papapapa-tsssss pa-pa-papa-papa-tsssss

Then the HEY!'s kick in, 

Da-na-na-nananana-naaaa Da-na-nana-nana

pa-pa-pa-papapapa-tsssss pa-pa-papa-papa-tsssss

------------------------HEY!----------------------HEY!

[That Dude]

1 minute ago, GDFan2019 said:

I can just picture how the new song is going to sound

First, the intro that we heard in the teaser

Then the heavy guitars kick in, like we heard at the end, Da-na-na-nananana-naaaaa Da-na-nana-nana

Then the drums kick in, pa-pa-pa-papapapa-tsssss pa-pa-papa-papa-tsssss

Then the HEY!'s kick in, 

Da-na-na-nananana-naaaa Da-na-nana-nana

pa-pa-pa-papapapa-tsssss pa-pa-papa-papa-tsssss

------------------------HEY!----------------------HEY!

Exactly! 

And then it echoes "Missing You" by the the first line being "waking up..."

"...feeling broken.    LIke a dog that's been trained by you...."

and then rapid fire lyrics after that.  

[The Grohl]

1 hour ago, Montclare said:

I want Kevin to do the rap.

Someone get in touch with Kevin so we can make this happen!

[DookieLukie]

I think a realistic expectation of a Green Day album now is at least 1-2 good to great songs. We can hope for another pre-Trilogy level record, but just being realistic. I think Green Day is capable of the 1-2 great song model. Evidence:

UNO: Stay the Night, Oh Love, Nuclear Family

DOS: Lazy Bones, Wow! That’s Loud

TRE: Brutal Love, Missing You, 8th Avenue Serenade

Revrad: Bang Bang, Somewhere Now

FOAM: Honestly I don’t know. A lot of okay songs, which is why people hate it so much.

Hoping for more but if they can add 2 great songs to their long list of hits, I think people will look at the album positively.

[Little Boy Named Booze]

Gimme another RevRad level album and I'm gonna be so happy.

Still Breathing, Forever Now, Bang Bang, Revolution Radio. Just wow!

[dudley dawson]

4 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Gimme another RevRad level album and I'm gonna be so happy.

Still Breathing, Forever Now, Bang Bang, Revolution Radio. Just wow!

Hot take: RevRad was mid. These guys can do so much better.

[Christian's Inferno!]

My main thing with RevRad is that I just don't understand why a lot of people put it on the same level as 21CB, or even AI in some cases. Yeah ik opinions are obviously subjective but my personal opinion is that AI and 21CB are easily top 3 GD albums. RevRad is like around 8th or something on my list now

[JardyOfSuburbia]

I just hope the lyrics of the album have more substance to it than drugs/partying/sex, etc. 

I don't need another variation of Fuck Time/Stab You In The Heart again.

[Christian's Inferno!]

18 minutes ago, JardyOfSuburbia said:

I just hope the lyrics of the album have more substance to it than drugs/partying/sex, etc. 

I don't need another variation of Fuck Time/Stab You In The Heart again.

Honestly think SYITH might be my favourite track on FOAMF

I think that Foxboro sound is great when it's done right. Stop Drop and Roll was absolutely done right, that's probably my 4th favourite GD related album. Dos is probably my favourite trilogy album despite its problems. And SYITH is an improvement on Fuck Time and I don't understand why I see so many people point to it as one of the album's weak points. Yes, it's not very original but it honestly just sounds pretty great to me and on an album like FOAMF, I'm happy enough with that

[Gwen Stacy]

1 hour ago, dudley dawson said:

Hot take: RevRad was mid. These guys can do so much better.

I think mid is a bit harsh but it definitely does feel a little “been there, done that”. Competent, but I do feel like they could’ve aimed a little higher. A lot of the songs are great individually but I just don’t think it quite hangs together as a whole as well as it could have. Bang Bang and Forever Now are top shelf Green Day and worth the price of admission alone. 
 

If the new album is drawing from the same well as 21st Century Breakdown I think we’re in for a treat. Could this be a Rob Cavallo produced 21CB style album?

[AlienVisitor]

2 hours ago, That Dude said:

What if the music blasting from Billie's alarm clock isn't a song on the new album at all?  It's just a cool riff leftover from the sucky 1972 EP and Green Day are just wanting to hold off on anyone hearing ANYTHING until it's time? 

Well, until we hear something here's a tracklist: 

1. 1981

2. Fickle People

3. Catch Me Like a Break

4. Cyclops

5.  Day's A Coming

6. Savior 

7.  Saw You In A Dream

8. American Dream 

9.  Killing Me

10. Dreamland

11.Razor blades.

12.Bottle rockets.

[killjoywhatsername]

If Rev Rad is mid then I would happily take 5 more mid albums over whatever FOAM was

[BratReject23]

3 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Gimme another RevRad level album and I'm gonna be so happy.

Still Breathing, Forever Now, Bang Bang, Revolution Radio. Just wow!

Exactly. Now imagine revrad with rob and CLA production! I have the feeling we are onto that in this new record 🙏🏻

[Im.a.basket.case]

Wtf is a mid? 😅