petros Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Clockwise said: Anyone saying they think the band didn't put effort into something is making an argument in bad faith that goes against literally everything Green Day has proven to us over the last 35 years. It just comes across as really disingenuous and rude to be honest. That's your opinion. I didn't see much effort from them in the trilogy and revrad. With the exception of Mike probably. The guy has been consistently a badass underrated bass player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashback Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, petros said: That's your opinion. I didn't see much effort from them in the trilogy and revrad. With the exception of Mike probably. The guy has been consistently a badass underrated bass player. Well I personally see a massive improvement in the complexity of the guitar tracks during and after the Trilogy in comparison with older albums. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Flashback said: Well I personally see a massive improvement in the complexity of the guitar tracks during and after the Trilogy in comparison with older albums. And nobody called you disingenuous and rude for your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I listened to both tracks today because I haven't listened to them since, probably a day after they were released. I thought maybe I might like them better. I still despise FOAM. However, I don't hate Fire, Ready, Aim. As I listened to it, I realized it has a 60's vibe to it. I thought of The Monkees. I'm pretty sure GD was not trying to sound like The Monkees, but that is what it sounds like to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Chin for a Day said: I listened to both tracks today because I haven't listened to them since, probably a day after they were released. I thought maybe I might like them better. I still despise FOAM. However, I don't hate Fire, Ready, Aim. As I listened to it, I realized it has a 60's vibe to it. I thought of The Monkees. I'm pretty sure GD was not trying to sound like The Monkees, but that is what it sounds like to me. Sounds like the Monkees to me too. It’s the keyboards 🎹 Very much a 60’s style. Which is why I don’t get how people can love FBHT and hate this but maybe they only like it as a side project idk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 hours ago, petros said: That's your opinion. I didn't see much effort from them in the trilogy and revrad. With the exception of Mike probably. The guy has been consistently a badass underrated bass player. But it's not just an opinion when you say things like that. You're implying they're putting in less effort than previously based off of what? The fact that you don't like what they're doing? The fact that the guitar parts or lyrics aren't complex or introspective enough for you? None of that equals lack of effort on anyone's part, it's just your personal preference for how they sound. Saying that they're being lazy or putting in less effort is not a nice thing to say imo, especially because there is absolutely no way to quantify that. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 21st_century_gloria Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 you know what we can universally agree that they didn't put any effort into? the forever now music video. 7 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lenny Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Clockwise said: Anyone saying they think the band didn't put effort into something is making an argument in bad faith that goes against literally everything Green Day has proven to us over the last 35 years. It just comes across as really disingenuous and rude to be honest. It's frustrated fans who aren't enjoying the output as much as others but think it's because of the input during the recording and creative processes. I lost my head on this topic the other day as I'm a musician who has recorded full albums on my own. It's a lot of work and if it was about effort level they just wouldn't make an album period. GD put a lot of effort into tracking. It's all done with high quality and loads of effort. They're going for something new and not everybody is going to like it. That's more about the opinion of the art than it is about their effort level. 8 hours ago, petros said: That's your opinion. I didn't see much effort from them in the trilogy and revrad. With the exception of Mike probably. The guy has been consistently a badass underrated bass player. I agree about mike but you know how I feel about the effort level. They self produced Rev Rad. They increased their responsibilities on the production of the record so objectively they put more effort into that. The effort Vs the result is two different things. Think about in school. You may have put so much effort on an essay for one class to get just a 70 and in another class you had to sacrifice your time on a project but somehow still got an 85. Life can be full of little disappointments. With the trilogy my questioning doesn't fall on the band. They had over 40 songs ready to go for that recording session. They did it quite quickly as well. I'm speaking from experience here that takes a huge level of effort. It doesn't mean the result will be there but I can guarantee you they put more into it than 99% of us put into our projects at work. It's evident in Cuatro when Mike speaks about the process of putting the trilogy together. Can you name another band in the last 10 years that was able to release a trilogy of albums within a single year or an artist that dropped 37 songs at one time? (to qualify they would have to have written and recorded all the songs themselves) My questions fall into the supporting staff for the trilogy. I didn't like how production was handled but that's just me. The personnel on the albums are all highly regarded professionals. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 10 hours ago, 21st_century_gloria said: you know what we can universally agree that they didn't put any effort into? the forever now music video. Besides them showing up to the shoot (if it's even necessary) the music video thing is typically outside of their scope. I don't really see the value of a music video for this song specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st_century_gloria Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, Sheenius said: I don't really see the value of a music video for this song specifically. Eh I would be pretty interested to see the kind of video they'd make for such a personal song Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 10 hours ago, 21st_century_gloria said: you know what we can universally agree that they didn't put any effort into? the forever now music video. Green Day haven't finished promoted an album since 21st Century Breakdown TEN YEARS AGO. The Trilogy was sidelined due to issues. Rev Rad got 3 singles but then promotion stopped suddenly with that whole "Forever Now/Somewhere Now" single just not happening. Father of All needs to be the one that turns things around in the singles department. At least four, no matter what! If someone in the band is ill, certainly that's more important. But "Stray Heart" had an amazing video, so again. at least four singles. Everybody else is releasing 6 and 7 BEFORE THEIR ALBUM DROPS. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1039SweetChildren Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Green Day isn't really a singles band. They haven't had a Top 100 hit since "Oh Love" debuted at a whopping #97 back in 2012 riding off the coattails of American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown, and I don't see it happening again anytime soon (or ever again) if they keep cranking out songs like FOAMF. I'm sure mainstream isn't their goal anyway, though "Still Breathing" definitely felt like an attempt at another "21 Guns"/"Boulevard of Broken Dreams" heavy ballad hit. I know Alternative radio always backs the guys, but it's not enough to just throw singles out there if they're not going to do anything substantial other than chart on the Alternative charts for a few weeks before free falling (at least from a label/business perspective.. If we are just talking about releasing music for fun, then hell.. go ahead and release away). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redundantuserjinxboy Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 11 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: Sounds like the Monkees to me too. It’s the keyboards 🎹 Very much a 60’s style. Which is why I don’t get how people can love FBHT and hate this but maybe they only like it as a side project idk I'd say less Monkees or anything from that time period and more of The Hives. I think it's a fun song, just lacks substance. Same with FOAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, 1039SweetChildren said: Green Day isn't really a singles band. They haven't had a Top 100 hit since "Oh Love" debuted at a whopping #97 back in 2012 riding off the coattails of American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown, and I don't see it happening again anytime soon (or ever again) if they keep cranking out songs like FOAMF. I'm sure mainstream isn't their goal anyway, though "Still Breathing" definitely felt like an attempt at another "21 Guns"/"Boulevard of Broken Dreams" heavy ballad hit. I know Alternative radio always backs the guys, but it's not enough to just throw singles out there if they're not going to do anything substantial other than chart on the Alternative charts for a few weeks before free falling (at least from a label/business perspective.. If we are just talking about releasing music for fun, then hell.. go ahead and release away). Do hit singles even matter anymore from a label/business perspective anyway? It seems labels monetize music in more and varied ways these days with the other things Green Day has done like with licensing, deals with sports, products, gaming and other entertainment and taking a bigger chunk of touring and merchandising than before. Record sales/streams are the smallest slice of that pie than has even been. It almost doesn’t matter, except to ensure that it creates an opportunity for those other deals to occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: Do hit singles even matter anymore from a label/business perspective anyway? Not if you're Green Day, Foo Fighters, RHCP or any other band with a lifetime of hits on alternative radio. The $ comes from the tour. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 We've heard 20% of the album. And about 4% of what the boys have recorded Let's reserve the FOAM hate for after its released, or if you are a hater that's already heard it.....get me a link or copy pronto!!!!!!! Haha. But even on the release day, live with the album a while before hating on it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE THE X-KID Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 3:47 PM, pacejunkie punk said: Sounds like the Monkees to me too. It’s the keyboards 🎹 Very much a 60’s style. Which is why I don’t get how people can love FBHT and hate this but maybe they only like it as a side project idk I love FBHT, Stop Drop and Roll is probably my favourite thing the boys have done but Fire, Ready, Aim just comes off incredibly lazy to me. Its fun to listen to but it has no depth, they can do so much better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 hours ago, JOE THE X-KID said: I love FBHT, Stop Drop and Roll is probably my favourite thing the boys have done but Fire, Ready, Aim just comes off incredibly lazy to me. Its fun to listen to but it has no depth, they can do so much better. It has lyrical depths the likes of which "Jesus of Suburbia" cannot even touch or fathom. It is their greatest piece of work to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st_century_gloria Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 hours ago, That Dude said: It has lyrical depths the likes of which "Jesus of Suburbia" cannot even touch or fathom. It is their greatest piece of work to date. While on first glance FRA seems to be a car-commercial-esque hockey anthem, it is really so much more: Kick the dog when the whistle blows/ you're a liar What's going on in the USA right now? Oh yeah, the whole phone call with the ukrainian president thing, started by the "whistleblower" Don't forget the key lines: Ready Aim Fire/ Fire Ready Aim The world has so many conflicts and wars, and there's all these shootings, etc. it just turns into a whole killing operation. Total war. Firing carelessly, not even thinking about aiming. Intimidation. Attack without thought. Hang on! Attack without thought? That's exactly what the description of FRA says on youtube. "This song is about our daily outrage, attack without thought" or whatever it was... Social media. People attack without thought. They don't think about what they are saying, they just say it and use it to express their daily outrage. And it's so toxic. Whether it's Trump on twitter or just idiots, not just political instigators but people that exist to spread hate on anything. Certain trolls. Racist people. Violent people. Intolerant people. Regular idiots that spam or spread lies just for likes. I just made this song much deeper than it was probably intended to be... 🤣 DISCLAIMER: That analysis was all me off the top of my head. In no way is that the official interpretation of the lyrics. No, I'm not from genius verified. Feel free to disagree. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I listened to FRA once and thought it was pretty cool, then later I saw some commercial, I think it was for Mc Donalds' delivery and it had the same bouncy guitar sound with the clap track and since then I felt FRA is such an ad song... I can't bring myself to listen to it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashback Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: I can't bring myself to listen to it. Do it, we believe in you! 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Flashback said: Do it, we believe in you! 😄 What if I really end up disliking it? I settled for waiting for a live version because that's how I enjoy FOAM the most, but it never came lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 45 minutes ago, 21st_century_gloria said: While on first glance FRA seems to be a car-commercial-esque hockey anthem, it is really so much more: Kick the dog when the whistle blows/ you're a liar What's going on in the USA right now? Oh yeah, the whole phone call with the ukrainian president thing, started by the "whistleblower" Don't forget the key lines: Ready Aim Fire/ Fire Ready Aim The world has so many conflicts and wars, and there's all these shootings, etc. it just turns into a whole killing operation. Total war. Firing carelessly, not even thinking about aiming. Intimidation. Attack without thought. Hang on! Attack without thought? That's exactly what the description of FRA says on youtube. "This song is about our daily outrage, attack without thought" or whatever it was... Social media. People attack without thought. They don't think about what they are saying, they just say it and use it to express their daily outrage. And it's so toxic. Whether it's Trump on twitter or just idiots, not just political instigators but people that exist to spread hate on anything. Certain trolls. Racist people. Violent people. Intolerant people. Regular idiots that spam or spread lies just for likes. I just made this song much deeper than it was probably intended to be... 🤣 DISCLAIMER: That analysis was all me off the top of my head. In no way is that the official interpretation of the lyrics. No, I'm not from genius verified. Feel free to disagree. Wow that's a stretch. Giving the band way too much credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke Hanamura Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: What if I really end up disliking it? I settled for waiting for a live version because that's how I enjoy FOAM the most, but it never came lol What if you listen to it with the mindset of just having fun? This isn’t meant to be insulting, I’m legitimately suggesting that. While It’s true that songs like American Idiot, JoS, etc. are more complex, people tend to forget that the band also wants everyone to have fun while listening as well. It’s not always about thinking critically. If that was the case, people would criticize songs like Scattered for talking about a break-up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st_century_gloria Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 hours ago, DookieLukie said: Wow that's a stretch. Giving the band way too much credit. I was joking tbh. FRA just sounds like a hockey anthem to me. (A kickass one though, IMO.) But I do have a habit of overanalyzing Green Day songs. 😅 1 hour ago, Yosuke Hanamura said: What if you listen to it with the mindset of just having fun? This isn’t meant to be insulting, I’m legitimately suggesting that. That's the honest version of me listening to FRA. I legit listen to that to jump up and down and feel good. (man, they really failed in their mission to make us all feel bad!) While I do enjoy dissecting songs for their seriosity and analyze lyrics, etc, that ramble about FRA being political was more of a joke lmao. Scattered is an amazing song, especially the vocals IMO. So underrated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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