pacejunkie punk Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, Todd said: "Stolen"... right.... Yeah. I never quite believed that myself. More like conveniently misplaced.
Chin for a Day Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Not even misplaced, thrown under the bus
DookieLukie Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 I still believe C&V was a fabricated story to serve as a scapegoat for the band should American Idiot fail. If AI was well-received (which it was), they could use this Cigs and Val mythos to be a turning point story where they said "Screw this" and went all out after realizing they had more potential. If AI ended up getting panned, they could say, "Well we had all this great 90s Green Day stuff ready to go and we lost it, so you got AI instead." It's a great marketing tactic either way. I mean look how obsessed the fans are with this lost album. Adds a lot of mythos to the band.
pacejunkie punk Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 9 hours ago, DookieLukie said: I still believe C&V was a fabricated story to serve as a scapegoat for the band should American Idiot fail. If AI was well-received (which it was), they could use this Cigs and Val mythos to be a turning point story where they said "Screw this" and went all out after realizing they had more potential. If AI ended up getting panned, they could say, "Well we had all this great 90s Green Day stuff ready to go and we lost it, so you got AI instead." It's a great marketing tactic either way. I mean look how obsessed the fans are with this lost album. Adds a lot of mythos to the band. I don’t think they thought it through to that extent. It could have been more of a case where you were in deep with this album but knew you didn’t like it. After spending all that money and time, how do you tell the record label you want to scrap it and start all over? I think the story was an out that allowed them to rework half the songs into the Network side project, clear their heads and start with a clean slate without pissing off the powers that be. Plus from a practical standpoint, anything they record belongs to the label, so if they didn’t want Warners to just take the songs/album and release them anyway, they had to “make them disappear.”
Thatsername Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 I hope Billie will tell us the true story about the C&V mystery one day in the far future when he writes his memoirs
pacejunkie punk Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Thatsername said: I hope Billie will tell us the true story about the C&V mystery one day in the far future when he writes his memoirs I’m guessing it would have to be long after their relationship with Warners/reprise is over and it doesn’t matter anymore. But I agree I would love to get the real story someday.
Billie Hoe Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Jesus, he could have really eased up on the volume during the songs or at least talk a little louder, my speakers almost killed me Also it's "don't want a nation under the new mania" and not "media", unless I've missed something really important Haven't finished watching the video yet but the nitpicker inside me needed to throw that out there Edit: Finished watching it now, and I really like this guy's interpretation and his view on the album. GOD, American Idiot is so fucking good. Thanks for reminding me.
_Mace_ Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said: Jesus, he could have really eased up on the volume during the songs or at least talk a little louder, my speakers almost killed me Also it's "don't want a nation under the new mania" and not "media", unless I've missed something really important According to the lyric book in the front of my AI cd, it is in fact media, not maina. Now you get a whole new perspective, which is kinda cool, though!
Billie Hoe Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, Gloria Killjoy said: According to the lyric book in the front of my AI cd, it is in fact media, not maina. Now you get a whole new perspective, which is kinda cool, though! According to my lyric book and cd booklet, it says mania Look! 1st picture is the booklet and 2nd picture is the lyric book
_Mace_ Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 36 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said: According to my lyric book and cd booklet, it says mania Look! 1st picture is the booklet and 2nd picture is the lyric book Ok, so this is my song book: Now, I generally trust this because: Says Brads, right? A lot of people mistake this for 'dads', so I use this indicator as my fail-safe. This is the source I checked when I said media, not maina. So, I went to my lyric book: IT SAYS MAINIA!!!!! so, I went to my dad. He insisted that it's media. When I said "look in the cd booklet" he responded with "Well, one of these sources is wrong. I'm betting on the cd book. If you ever speak to Billie Joe, ask him." Yeah, lol. Still a 'concert virgin'. Anyway, I took to the Web: This is google lyrics this is genius lyrics. I really trust genius, so I'm going to say you're right. Be because of this one word difference, the song could be interpreted in two totally different ways. I'm confused.
Billie Hoe Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 @Gloria Killjoy it also says Brads in the lyric books, so I would trust the lyric book. I know there are a few mistakes here and there in the RevRad lyric book but this one was made by somebody else and I don't think there are any other mistakes in the AI lyric books?
_Mace_ Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Nvm don't trust genius anymore; LOOK AT THIS!!!!!! IT SAYS ALIEN NATION. TWO SEPARATE WORDS. LOOK AT THE LYRIC BOOK AGAIN: NOW IT IS ONE WORD!!!!! WH IS RIGHT??? WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END?????
pacejunkie punk Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 The real question, what word does Billie actually use when he sings it? Can anyone pop on some headphones and listen? I’d trust that.
_Mace_ Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said: @Gloria Killjoy it also says Brads in the lyric books, so I would trust the lyric book. I know there are a few mistakes here and there in the RevRad lyric book but this one was made by somebody else and I don't think there are any other mistakes in the AI lyric books? I don't think so... I'm just hell confused, to be honest.
Billie Hoe Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said: The real question, what word does Billie actually use when he sings it? Can anyone pop on some headphones and listen? I’d trust that. i'm pretty sure he sings mania but it could be media too, he doesn't sing it very clearly
pacejunkie punk Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Billie Hoe said: i'm pretty sure he sings mania but it could be media too, he doesn't sing it very clearly Ooh! Just had a thought — what word do they use in the cue card video from HLAHG?
_Mace_ Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said: The real question, what word does Billie actually use when he sings it? Can anyone pop on some headphones and listen? I’d trust that. I hear media.
Billie Hoe Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Ooh! Just had a thought — what word do they use in the cue card video from HLAHG? that settles it then
_Mace_ Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said: that settles it then *cries* my whole childhood is a lie... I don't have the heart to tell my dad...
pacejunkie punk Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said: that settles it then *pumps fist* YES!!!! That’s the final word.
DeJennsitized Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 I canNOT believe it's mania. Like, it makes so much more sense than media but STILL I THOUGHT IT WAS MEDIA
pouty bitch Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 What?! It's not Media?! Well, fuck. I always heard Media, especially in this: I'm just gonna keep pretending that it is Media. It makes so much more sense to me that way.
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