imXieli Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 What do you think the top contenders are for possible singles of all three albums? (Besides the already released ones). Mine are the following. Discuss! ¡Uno!: Nuclear Family, Carpe Diem, and Stay the Night ¡Dos!: Stop When the Red Lights Flash. This is my least favorite album of all three so i cant pick more lol. ¡Tré!: Brutal Love, Missing You, and 99 Revolutions
Dimitris Gotsis Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: We wouldn't have this thread. and revrad!
End Of The World Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 32 minutes ago, imXieli said: What do you think the top contenders are for possible singles of all three albums? (Besides the already released ones). Mine are the following. Discuss! ¡Uno!: Nuclear Family, Carpe Diem, and Stay the Night ¡Dos!: Stop When the Red Lights Flash. This is my least favorite album of all three so i cant pick more lol. ¡Tré!: Brutal Love, Missing You, and 99 Revolutions Mostly what you mentioned. Nuclear Family, SWTRLF and Brutal Love in my opinion.
Christian's Inferno! Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Uno probably wouldn't have gotten any more singles I think Dos would probably get Amy and Stop When the Red Lights Flash as singles after Stray Heart I think Tré would probably get 99 Revolutions and Brutal Love after X-Kid. Although there's a chance they might only release 1 other single after X-Kid since The Forgotten was released as a single for the Twilight soundtrack This is if they were to release 3 singles from each album. Although I don't know whether that would've even happened, even if Billie didn't have a meltdown. The trilogy did have 5 singles in total, 6 if we include The Forgotten for Twilight. All their other albums got 4-5 singles. Just because it was 3 albums worth of material, doesn't mean there would have been any more singles than there were. I'm sure if Billie didn't have a meltdown, the rest of the singles would've gotten more promotion, especially Stray Heart and X-Kid that got pretty much no promotion other than the music videos
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 I didn't even know until now that x-kid has a music vid
imXieli Posted February 10, 2017 Author Posted February 10, 2017 22 minutes ago, MysticManiac said: Uno probably wouldn't have gotten any more singles I think Dos would probably get Amy and Stop When the Red Lights Flash as singles after Stray Heart I think Tré would probably get 99 Revolutions and Brutal Love after X-Kid. Although there's a chance they might only release 1 other single after X-Kid since The Forgotten was released as a single for the Twilight soundtrack This is if they were to release 3 singles from each album. Although I don't know whether that would've even happened, even if Billie didn't have a meltdown. The trilogy did have 5 singles in total, 6 if we include The Forgotten for Twilight. All their other albums got 4-5 singles. Just because it was 3 albums worth of material, doesn't mean there would have been any more singles than there were. I'm sure if Billie didn't have a meltdown, the rest of the singles would've gotten more promotion, especially Stray Heart and X-Kid that got pretty much no promotion other than the music videos never thought of it from that perspective. very true, but let's imagine if all the albums got a couple singles to themselves haha 28 minutes ago, End Of The World said: Mostly what you mentioned. Nuclear Family, SWTRLF and Brutal Love in my opinion. Nuclear Family, Missing You, Stay the Night, and 99 Revolutions are the most single worthy of all the albums. take those songs, the first half of uno, and a couple songs from dos and make it one album it would have been much greater
Stewe Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Jane Lannister said: I didn't even know until now that x-kid has a music vid It's just a static cassette recorder. I wis we got a real video, it would be very emotion al to me like still breathing.
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Stewe said: It's just a static cassette recorder. I wis we got a real video, it would be very emotion al to me like still breathing. Jfc, Warner did close the money pipeline. I kind of think it was a mistake -at least they could have kept the airplay going. I agree a real video would have been awesome.
WhiteTim Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Billie was still going to rehab so even if iheart never happened he'd still been out (going by what Billie said in RS) i know i know fantasy killer lol
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Δημήτρης Γκότσης said: and revrad! ^more importantly. I love that album.
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: Billie was still going to rehab so even if iheart never happened he'd still been out (going by what Billie said in RS) i know i know fantasy killer lol That's true, however, I believe the albums might have done better if the whole campaign wasn't pulled. I mean, as far as I know, things like radio play are very closely influnced by labels. It seems all these efforts vere pulled. Not saying it was a bad choice, the albums were sub-par anyway. Just wondering, you know? I was thinking what other options the marketing had. And all could come up with was trying to brainwash people with singles enough to make everyone await the return of Billie Joe rather than let everyone forget Green Day ever existed. However, that would have been riskier, cost money and would have needed better music to work, I guess.
WhiteTim Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: That's true, however, I believe the albums might have done better if the whole campaign wasn't pulled. I mean, as far as I know, things like radio play are very closely influnced by labels. It seems all these efforts vere pulled. Not saying it was a bad choice, the albums were sub-par anyway. Just wondering, you know? I was thinking what other options the marketing had. And all could come up with was trying to brainwash people with singles enough to make everyone await the return of Billie Joe rather than let everyone forget Green Day ever existed. However, that would have been riskier, cost money and would have needed better music to work, I guess. iheart incident didn't make the label from pulling support it was the lack of having a band around to be touring and doing interviews labels HATE dealing with albums with bands not around be it rehab jail or death in rap when someone is locked up they will sit on the albums until the person is released unless they can get enough buzz going of course it's easy for me or anyone else on here to say "the label could still have pushed radio play and market it" but in reality it's not our money being used to promote the albums i still say they should've done Stay The Night instead of Oh Love
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: iheart incident didn't make the label from pulling support it was the lack of having a band around to be touring and doing interviews labels HATE dealing with albums with bands not around be it rehab jail or death in rap when someone is locked up they will sit on the albums until the person is released unless they can get enough buzz going of course it's easy for me or anyone else on here to say "the label could still have pushed radio play and market it" but in reality it's not our money being used to promote the albums i still say they should've done Stay The Night instead of Oh Love Yes, not that I'd want to try it out with my own money. What you say makes a lot of sense. I assume that doing what I say would cost a hefty sum and may not pay off. I was just thinking that maybe it would have worked because iheart in fact created a lot of publicity. Negative publicity, but they were all over the place. I remember seeing so many articles, a lot of them speculating the whole thing was a publicity stunt. It was massive. Not saying it's ideal to promote an album with nothing but being "that guy who was embarrassing on tv" but if I could create an alternate universe rn, I'd create one in which they did it just to see how much the sales would change (or if it would pay off financially). Maybe they should have sat on the albums until early 2013 and release before the replacement tour and make a more proper promo cycle with interviews and stuff. I absolutely agree about stay the night.
Christian's Inferno! Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 I'm not sure why people think STN would've been a better choice than Oh Love. Oh Love did well, it was only after the iHeart incident that it stopped. Oh Love to me seemed like the best and most logical choice for mainstream success. STN wouldn't have done any better and I don't think it would've done as well 5 hours ago, Jane Lannister said: I didn't even know until now that x-kid has a music vid I'm not sure if it really counts as a "music video"
Trotsky Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 To some degree there was backlash from the iHeart rant as Billie Joe pissed off the suits quite a bit, but it's important to remember he had issues that he had to deal with no matter what, which required taking time off, and apart from that the trilogy wasn't that good. It's not as if the iHeart thing really isolated any fans. Because we know the struggle that BJA was going through we can't look at it without realizing he was at a very low point in his life. But the rant itself is not a thing that was bad. Imagine if that was just something he did while sober and happy just to raise some hell - in that context it would have been pretty fucking cool.
Sarcasm Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I'm really glad it happened. I had no idea how deep the issues were. I'm all for the straw that broke the camel's back situations. Sometimes it just needs to go to far for it to be fixed. Except in surgery I guess.
stories and songs Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I'm not religious at all, but iHeart absolutely falls in the "blessing in disguise" category. It sucks that it went that far, but it was obviously necessary. I think about the darkness and uncertainty surrounding that time...comparing it to what we have now is incredible. The fact that they made it through that time personally and professionally and are now so happy and healthy and grateful is nothing short of amazing. From a fan perspective, I feel like I completely hit the reset button with them after that happened. Even if the release had gone according to plan, I'm not certain several singles from each would've been a good idea. It's hard to keep the momentum going over a span of months like that, and releasing 9 singles would be overkill, I think (I know it's not unheard of, but in this situation I don't think it would've been popular). Basically, I think the idea of spreading them out so much kinda tanked them, with or without extenuating circumstances.
Spike Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 To be honest I'd be surprised if they'd have released any more singles anyway. Nuclear Family had already bombed before iHeart despite being a great song with a killer video.
Thatsername Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 10 hours ago, WhiteTim said: Billie was still going to rehab so even if iheart never happened he'd still been out (going by what Billie said in RS) I'm not sure if he had gone to rehab that fast though. Without the meltdown, he probably would have tried to push on the promotion of the albums no matter what. Of course we don't know it, but I can imagine that he would have postponed rehab as long as possible. Sometimes you need a crash to realize that it can't go on like this anymore. In one of those interviews Billie also said that the morning after iHeart, he asked Adrienne "how bad was it?" and she said "pretty bad". So maybe it was this experience that made him enter rehab right at that time and not later, not after releasing and promoting the albums. And I still admire this guy so much for his decision and his willpower. We don't know where he and we would be without iHeart. And to be honest, I don't care for singles that haven't been released from the trilogy. Fact is, we could have lost them. So I'm happy with the way things worked out and I wouldn't wanna change a thing.
Alan86 Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 He would have had the meltdown some other place soon after
zeldachick14 Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 Simple- revrad wouldn't happen. Maybe another trilogy sounding album..or... It would still happen because, i still believe at some point Billie would've had to enter rehab anyway. Even if it wouldn't be a public meltdown, something would happen that would make him get help. From personal experience, i can tell you that something bad has to happen or an addict has to finally get the revelation that they have to stop. And i believe billie would've gotten to that revekation eventually.
Hermione Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 The question is really "what if Billie hadn't gone to rehab and was around to promote the albums?", because as has been said he was going to go to rehab sooner or later anyway. People had been trying to get him to for a while (for example the day of the show they played in London a month before he was asked to cancel it and go, but said no), it needed to happen and iHeart just happened to be the thing that triggered it. So the answer would be it would've been bad, because he needed to go. But you can't even ask "what if Billie never had a drink/drugs problem and never needed to go to rehab and was around to promote the albums?", because then we'd be talking about different albums. They're so much a reflection of the road he was on at the time that they wouldn't have existed if he wasn't on it. In an alternate universe where that was possible then yeah more singles would've been nice. I agree that there probably wouldn't have been a huge amount more though, with three albums that weren't very well received (obviously the band not being around promoting them contributed to that but they wouldn't have been huge hits anyway) they wouldn't have been releasing many singles from each. One thing that would've been great would've been getting more music videos with the band in them. But in the end things kind of had to happen the way they did things have ended up the better for it.
jengd Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I agree with a lot of what's been said here, I think Billie had to have something make him realise that he had to go to rehab, worse case scenario I suppose could have been that he didn't make it which is an awful thought! Given that he did go, my worry would have been that the continued promotion of the trilogy would have put far more pressure on him to come back and start performing again etc etc, before he was ready. That in turn could mean that he wouldn't be in the same place now that he is. I have always got the vibe from Mike and Tre, could well be my imagination, that they were happy to just abandon the trilogy if it was for Billie's good. Mike has said that nothing else mattered but Billie's health and wellbeing. I think we just have to glad of how things turned out.
Montclare Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Hermione said: The question is really "what if Billie hadn't gone to rehab and was around to promote the albums?", because as has been said he was going to go to rehab sooner or later anyway. People had been trying to get him to for a while (for example the day of the show they played in London a month before he was asked to cancel it and go, but said no), it needed to happen and iHeart just happened to be the thing that triggered it. So the answer would be it would've been bad, because he needed to go. In that same interview where it was mentioned that his manager told him to go to rehab, it was also mentioned that he said he would go after IHeart. I always wondered if maybe he drank more/popped more pills than usual at IHeart since it was stuck in his mind that this was his last chance to do so. You can see him "off" in a lot of 2012 shows, but IHeart was a whole other level.
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