Poll - 1994 VS 2004

[End Of The World]

Hi guys.

In this thread we can vote for our favorite and overall most important year of GD career.

You can choose between 1994, release year of Dookie (I call it "First Punk Explosion") and 2004, year of American Idiot (Second Punk Explosion).

My choice was 1994.

If GD hadn't released Dookie, probably 99% of us wouldn't be here, while if they hadn't made American Idiot, some old school punks would still follow them.

I'd give my right arm to be at a '94 GD concert.

Have fun and, as usual, discuss!

[MikeDirntConfused]

2004

[Steven Seagull]

What kind of poll is this? Of course it's 1994 it's a no brainer.

1994 had this

case closed

[lizziebix]

1994 because it's the year hubby and I got married. 

 

Oh wait, you wanted this to be a Green Day reference. Never mind.

[Christian's Inferno!]

I chose AI simply because if it weren't for that album I wouldn't have got into GD. The same could be said about Dookie because if that album wasn't created, AI wouldn't have been. But I don't think I would've gotten into GD if Dookie was the first GD album I heard when I was really young

[Second favourite son]

1994, because without it the events of 2004 could not have happened.  Regardless of which you think is better, 1994 was more important.

[Alan86]

Both very important for differing reasons. I don't think one is more important than the other.

[St. Jonny]

Both important sure. 1994 was obviously more important for it was their big label debut. They had a chance to set the music world on fire and surely they did! If they had not done so well with Dookie, the follow ups and AI and this conversation wouldn't exist.

[Spike]

We wouldn't have had 2004 without 1994. On a personal level 2004 was more important, but objectively speaking there's no way it comes close to '94 for Green Day.

[Christian's Inferno!]

I get that AI wouldn't exist without Dookie but shouldn't we ignore that fact and instead consider the impact of the albums. I mean if we use that logic then technically 1990 would be the most important year because neither Dookie or AI would exist if it wasn't for 39/Smooth

[Steven Seagull]

1 hour ago, MysticManiac said:

I get that AI wouldn't exist without Dookie but shouldn't we ignore that fact and instead consider the impact of the albums. I mean if we use that logic then technical 1990 would be the most important year because neither Dookie or AI would exist if it wasn't for 39/Smooth

Dookie is what put Green Day on the map. AI didn't, it's that simple.

[Alan86]

3 hours ago, Steven Seagull said:

Dookie is what put Green Day on the map. AI didn't, it's that simple.

AI put Green Day on the map for lots of people too. Without AI there are a lot of fans that would have never heard Dookie. AI gained Green Day a lot of new fans which turned them new fans on to Green Days older albums. Yes Dookie was first but both albums were huge. And I think the current vote reflects that. It's 50/50

[End Of The World]

30 minutes ago, Alan86 said:

It's 50/50

That's what I thought. A lot choose 1994 because it's before 2004. Others choose 2004 because in that year GD became famous in the media. So I think this question needed a poll.

[Steven Seagull]

43 minutes ago, Alan86 said:

AI put Green Day in the map for lots of people too. Without AI there are a lot of fans that would have never heard Dookie. AI gained Green Day a lot of new fans which turned them new fans on to Green Days older albums. Yes Dookie was first but both albums were huge. And I think the current vote reflects that. It's 50/50

Dookie made a music revolution in the genre, influenced so many bands and made punk rock popular. AI can't come even close to this. 

[petros]

Of course 94 is very important for them as they blew up in that year. But thinking which is more important for green day(and not for the bands they influenced seagull) I'll go with 04 because if it wasn't for american idiot green day would become offspring or maybe even break up. So this album solidified them as one of the biggest bands in rock history while dookie just made them a famous band.

[Steven Seagull]

1 minute ago, petros said:

Of course 94 is very important for them as they blew up in that year. But thinking which is more important for green day(and not for the bands they influenced seagull) I'll go with 04 because if it wasn't for american idiot green day would become offspring or maybe even break up. So this album solidified them as one of the biggest bands in rock history while dookie just made them a famous band.

If it wasn't for Dookie, Green Day would never sign with reprise and would be just another underground punk rock band. So we would never get Insomniac and Nimrod. AI either (which is not even that bad) Dookie is what made Green Day, when you're talking about that signature Green Day sound everyone thinks of Dookie. AI was just another album that got popular among bunch of edgy teens, but it was in no way as revolutionary and important for the band as Dookie.

[Second favourite son]

4 hours ago, MysticManiac said:

I get that AI wouldn't exist without Dookie but shouldn't we ignore that fact and instead consider the impact of the albums. I mean if we use that logic then technically 1990 would be the most important year because neither Dookie or AI would exist if it wasn't for 39/Smooth

But neither 39/Smooth nor Kerplunk were iconic in the same way that Dookie was - sure, they were important steps on the way, but different albums could have achieved the same result.  Dookie was so iconic that if it was done differently there's no guarantee that it would've blown up in the way it did.

[Alan86]

1 hour ago, Steven Seagull said:

Dookie made a music revolution in the genre, influenced so many bands and made punk rock popular. AI can't come even close to this. 

American Idiot definitely was a revolutionary album too. There was nobody in music saying what Green Day were saying at that time. I know you won't listen to anything positive about AI so I'll challenge you another away. Dookie is Shit ......... 

1 hour ago, End Of The World said:

That's what I thought. A lot choose 1994 because it's before 2004. Others choose 2004 because in that year GD became famous in the media. So I think this question needed a poll.

Yup it's an interesting question for sure but one I don't have the answer for. I choose not to vote cause I can see very clear reasons why both are the answer.

[petros]

1 hour ago, Steven Seagull said:

If it wasn't for Dookie, Green Day would never sign with reprise and would be just another underground punk rock band. So we would never get Insomniac and Nimrod. AI either (which is not even that bad) Dookie is what made Green Day, when you're talking about that signature Green Day sound everyone thinks of Dookie. AI was just another album that got popular among bunch of edgy teens, but it was in no way as revolutionary and important for the band as Dookie.

Opinions I guess. To me it's more important to manage to stay to the top after going there than actually going there.

[Steven Seagull]

4 minutes ago, Alan86 said:

American Idiot definitely was a revolutionary album too. There was nobody in music saying what Green Day were saying at that time. I know you won't listen to anything positive about AI so I'll challenge you another away. Dookie is Shit ......... 

Fuck Bush really wasn't something original. Writing a hit song about masturbation was very original.

[petros]

I agree with Seagull on this one hating on Bush then was as mainstream as it is now to hate on Trump.

[Alan86]

3 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

Fuck Bush really wasn't something original. Writing a song about masturbation was very original.

Except it wasn't that original. 

http://www.inthe80s.com/4nic8.shtml

[St. Jonny]

I'm definitely in no way shape or form saying AI isn't the 2nd most revolutionary and important album in their catalogue, it is. They both when they were released changed lives and turned regular kids and teens into punk rockers or in my case metalheads, somethings gotta do it. All my friends fell off the GD bandwagon when AI came out because it was too different from the old shit in a whiny way to them, their loss I'm afraid! I love American Idiot, but I see what they mean and they loved that classic sound that came over the waves in '94, it was different before Idiot was different and therefore for the most part I believe '94 has to be the most "important" year. Glad I enjoy all their albums for the great rock and roll art it is, no doubt AI was what kept them alive and well and made them hall of famers. They wouldn't have needed to do this if they were nobodies who never created Dookie. The fantastic thing about it is they have changed people's lives in different era's with two monumental offerings that can never be touched by any band! And all their albums are solid gold to me, just doesn't get more solid then that epic oversized mammoth Dookie they left in the toilet of society.

[I don't care]

8 hours ago, End Of The World said:

I'd give my right arm to be at a '94 GD concert.

We were born in the wrong decade.

This is a very difficult question, though. Of course, as many of you already stated, -94 is the year that put Green Day on the charts, but -04 is much more important to me, on a personal level. I don't think I can choose, honestly.

[bouncingoffthewallbja]

This is really difficult! 1994 was the year that they got big and became famous, but 2004 is the year that the band proved to EVERYONE, even those who didn't listen to them or stopped after they "sold out",  that they were (and are) still able to make great music, make an impact, influence a new generation to listen to rock music and say what needs to be said. American Idiot is definitely one of the best records of this century (and in my opinion, all time!). Just yesterday, I was watching Kerrang's countdown of America's best 21st Century Rock Songs, and AI came out on top! They made such an impact and statement with American Idiot, and proved to everyone what they were capable of doing and that nothing (money, record sales etc) would stand in their way of saying what needed to be said at the time, through the fabulous medium of a rock opera. Even though I voted for 2004 in the poll, I think both years were major milestones in Green Day's career that are difficult to compare, because they were both definitive years for the band, and both years signified and led to immense growth in Billie Joe, Mike and Tré as artists, making them the extremely talented and influential musicians they are today!