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I hate to beat a dead horse but it's weird how I've only recently come to realise, Green Day should have completely gone all out on the trilogy. With that freedom of 3 records they should have done much experimental and creative things. Different structures, instrumentation, genres. I get that they were going for a back to basic sound but that could have been achieved through one album. 21st Century Breakdown achieves much more in one album than the trilogy did with three.

Quite the opposite, actually. Troublemaker and Nightlife are better songs than State of Shock. I just don't like them very much. Actually, fuck y'all, I like Troublemaker quite a lot. But anyway. Purely by virtue of being creative and trying something new, I consider them to be better additions to the trilogy than State of Shock (not technically part of the trilogy, but you get my point regardless), even if I don't actually enjoy listening to them much. When a band's been around this long, creativity and the ability to try new things is incredibly important, possibly more important than anything else. With a few important exceptions, I'd rather a band release a bad album that at least was trying something new instead of rehashing the same formula over and over with no evolution. I respect that most people probably feel differently, but yeah.

I finally put my finger on what bothers me about the song The Forgotten. It's otherwise beautiful save for the fact that it makes zero grammatical sense to say "Where in the world's the forgotten?" If he had sung "Where in the world ARE the forgotten?" the song would be instantly improved by 100% because it would be referring to lost souls. Saying "Where IS the forgotten?" implies that "the forgotten" is a singular noun and makes it sound like he's searching for his missing copy of the book "The Forgotten" as opposed to a group of forgotten people. I have no idea what Billie means in this song because that phrase has the worst syntax ever. I also have a sad pathetic feeling that Billie WANTED to communicate what I want him to be saying, but he actually just doesn't know how the English language works. Stay in school, folks!

Ignorant comment about rap alert.

Purely musically, maybe, but overall, AI is a complete departure from everything they'd done before. 21CB just continued to experiment with that format. So in terms of their overall career, I think AI was far more important than 21CB was.

Not to mention the vocal stylings aren't really like the way Billie's sung any songs in the past. Just, just yes. And you lost me. American Idiot was the real groundbreaker, imo.

Here you go. "please tell green day and their producers that I have written a song that I think will become a major hit for them and respond to me as soon as possible!"

That drop into the coda of Brutal Love is epic. Obviously most of the song is unoriginal, but the bit they did write is fantastic. I still find that falling melody every bit as spine chilling as I did when I first heard it.

Until just now I thought this was a universally held fact!

To say American Idiot has similar production values to anything prior to it is just wrong. It may be comparable to Nimrod in some ways at a push, but everything is so much more hi-fi sounding, straight up balls out rock. It might be considered "standard Rob Cavallo" these days but for Green Day it was a departure. The songwriting didn't change a great deal, it was just a lot more focused and stylistically consistent. It's the production that really sets it apart, as their sound got so much bigger.

Lars Ulrich should replace Tre

The Trilogy imo wouldn't sound good with AI style guitars. Insomniac or Nimrod, maybe, but not AI

I mean, that's how you're coming off, dude. Who here is being vehement? What the hell is wrong with debating about stuff?

Not an argument. More like a debate.

And I completely understand why people would have that impression of rap, but yeah, good analogy. If you judged all rock music based on Nickelback, you'd be forgiven for thinking rock was kinda dumb and uninspired, but as with most genres, you can't find the best stuff without digging a bit.

Yeah, we might be coming at it from a couple of different angles. I just feel like there isn't a lot on AI that would work on any of their previous albums. There's a lot of overdubs guitar-wise, whereas their earlier stuff was a lot more bare-bones. Clearly you don't listen to a lot of rap, because you seem to have a lot of misconceptions about it as a genre, which is a shame. The best musicians draw influences from everything. There is no genre that doesn't borrow ideas and techniques from other genres. At any rate, it's a shame if you think the band trying to incorporate more ideas and versatility is a bad thing. Again, ideally, they would've incorporated that stuff and actually done it well, but at least they're trying something new.

I didn't mean to cause a huge argument. Honest.

Maybe It's just a liberty of a songwriter.

Just a grammar nazi passing through.

Right, I don't feel like I really should either. It just gets to me when people talk up rap a lot and not other music. It's like really? I know everyone can have their opinion, but you know i guess everyone is different and will have a lot of different opinions.. And It seems odd to me that everyone has like the same favorite band on here but yet everyone wants to cram another artist or even a song by both of their favorite artist's down each others throats. I don't understand why people do that. And I guess I was really the one to start argument this time but hey I don't really care, I guess I'll just blame it on boredom. Guess that's what happens when your employer cuts all employee hours, oh well. Maybe the unpopular opinions thread was the wrong place to go. #GDCwasteland #overlydramatic

No i mean i've heard like more instrumental or instrumental sampling. I've just never heard a rapper that was that good at rapping. Maybe like eminem or a few other people. But I just don't get the appeal of listening to it. Seems a lot more fun to do it rather than to actually listen to it.

I take it you don't really listen to rap? I can name several artists who uses live instruments and complex lyrics and music structure but sadly mainstream radio prefers simple shit

Got a copy of Warning for £1.99 in a charity shop earlier. Wasn't even looking for music, it was just there.

Any genre of music is easy to make mediocre...

I didn't deny that. I even said the arrangements are where they really stepped up, but from a pure songwriting context it's not new. They really captured the zeitgeist of the time and Billie's lyrics were obviously very relevant politically, but he's always been a very intelligent lyricist. Maybe we're just looking at it differently in that I've always seen songwriting and arranging as two very different distinct disciplines.

and Triology, box full of surprises couriered all the way from Hogwarts.

I'd say 21st CB took things further, but it was nowhere near as big a change/surprise after AI (where they'd already set the precedent of making ambitious, epic rock) as AI was after all their previous albums. AI set the foundation for them to go even further musically with 21st CB, making 21st CB less of a dramatic change and more of a continuation.

Ah, you're all fucking wrong. American Idiot was a huge change-up in terms of everything. Tom, how can you say the songwriting's the same as on previous albums? It's far more complex, they veered away from that classic pop punk sound and went for straight up rock. It's far more grandiose and ambitious, (and actually pulls it off, unlike the sprawling 21CB), the scope is larger, there's more guitar parts, along with other instruments they had only flirted with before. You're my favorite.

hey .. i wasn't throwing rocks, i was just watching the woodstock 94' wait wait wait.. if this was the case, then what about those demos in demolicious, they were recorded before..aarrrrggghhh... it's way too difficult to understand what's going in GD's minD!!

If that' standard, then how is any Green Day album standard? Jason Freese doesn't appear on any studio album, and The other Jason only recorded for the trilogy. 1039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours only has Billie, Mike, John, and also Aaron Cometbus on Knowledge. This is a thread for opinions, not lame attempts at jokes. Also, if these opinions are so "unpopular", why do they get so many likes? This is pretty much a rep factory here

The production is the same as all the others... 21st is their first radically different production album they've done... That's not even debatable AI is your standard Rob Cavallo produced album zero difference between AI's production to Nimrod or Dookie for for that matter... The music itself is no different than past albums with the exception of JoS and Homecoming... Ok lyrically they matured than the previous albums I'll give you... But to say 21st is simply a follow up is very wrong escp on the production part... Joking right?

Yeah at least Troublemaker's riff is a bit different. I'll give it that.

Sure, then let Robert Trujillo takes Mike Dirnt's place. NO THIS IS NOT EVEN SARCASM HELL NO NO JUST NO AND NO.

for then, justin bieber should replace Billie Joe

A fine unpopular opinion!

Hello Alien, Tre is the hero, he's a badass drummer, godfather of sir Billie Joe ( some sources say), and don't forget. No man can eat 50 eggs!!

Oh hell no

but I mean in better quality, Missing you and 99 Revs are fine but songs like stay the night, and Ashley I'd Like to hear with better mics

I think it'd be better during X-Kid at the end if Billie sung lower, rather than higher. Idk is the song not about suicide? It doesn't make sense to end it on a 'high' tbh. I still like it but yeah I think if it had ai style guitar sound it would've sounded a lot better. Another random thing it'd be really cool if they did what they sang on certain songs. Like Holiday for example 'dogs howling out of key' could have actually been sung out of key and 'hear the drum pounding out of time' it would've been fun to hear Tre play slightly out of time there. A bit too literal but

I do like x-kid, but I feel it is missing something that would take it on to the next level. Probably give it heavier guitars to star off with, but something else needs changing - maybe the arrangement? Still one of my favourites, though - the lyrics are pretty good. Only the verse vocal melody, to be fair. The progression, arrangement lyrics and everything else is original. But yeah, Brutal Love is probably the best songs on the Trilogy, and in the top 5 best ever Green Day songs /popularopinionintheunpopularopinionsthread

For once we agree. I think X-Kid is a decent enough song, but it's nowhere near their best, and Billie's double-tracked (and over-filtered) vocals ruin the verses for me.

tbh I love it so much, I wouldn't even mind them re recording it on whatever they do next

I think X-Kid is a bit overrated. When I first heard that Cuatro snippet, I was so excited. That and Missing You were both so catchy. But now I hardly ever listen to X-Kid, but I do often listen to Missing You (mostly Demolicious version). Also, Brutal Love was one of those songs that sent shivers through my body, mostly due to that ending chorus. I love when songs give me that feelings because I feel like it's so rare to be blown away by a song. Now I still love Brutal Love, but that shivers/shock feeling has numbed from overlistening. However, Brutal Love is definitely one of the coolest things to come of the Trilogy.

adrienne armstrong @mnnesotagirl · Jun 27 Happiest Birthday to my Sweet Love @MichaelMayerDIR J.R. Miller ‏@jr_millerr 14h Currently partying with tre cool from green day. Turlock, CA

I sometimes want to live on this planet but then I read stuff like this and remember that I don't. But they are brilliant, really.

That's also how Tre lost his testicle.