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Mike is pretty underrated on bass, people should do that he's an awesome musician.

he was awesome...

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I'm from the UK, and it never occurred to me he was putting on a British Accent at all, I know he says he does, so he must think so. I'm not overly keen on very strong English or American accents anyway, so the fact that he has managed to neutralize (if there was ever anything to neutralize in the first place, as his speaking voice/accent is also very nice) most if not all of his accent, I find that interesting, and I don't think it is an easy task.
And I would disagree with you about him not having 'the best voice out', I think he does, and that is one of the main reasons I became a Green Day fan. Their older stuff, his voice was not very good at all, but it's been getting better and better with every album, I think this is especially noticeable on the trilogy.

I can't comment really on their ability to play their instruments, as I don't have the know how for that, but as far as I am concerned they play great, and they work together really well, having been together for so long, and they write good songs/music, so it doesn't really matter. People go on about Jimmi Hendrix, personally I would much rather watch/listen to Green Day or nothing at all if he was the only other option.




What I meant by not the best voice out there is that he's not classically trained or anything you know. I personally love his voice and I think it's great but I don't think it's any recognition because it doesn't sound like it's Michael Buble or someone like that. I wasn't trying to say his voice is awful! Sorry for the misunderstanding! I just meant others might not like his voice because it's not....fancy...I can't find the proper word sorry :lol:

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I think what is not really underrated by fans, but perhaps a little bit by people on the outside, is the band's technical skill and diversity. It's not just 3 chords. With that said, don't overestimate their abilities either. They are pretty average for proffesional musicians with 25 years in the business. We all go nuts when Billie pulls out one of his solos. Yes, they sound amazing, yes they have character, but no, they are not really that complex. He's a pretty good guitarist and vocalist, but you are expected to after 25 years. Billie Joe's vocal abilities has never been amazing, not even if he were in a broadway musical, but best of all he has a voice with character. I think what is Green Day's and especially Billie Joe's biggest advantage is the musical nerve; their sense of groove and writing, and their character which always shines through. I personally find the whole deal with overly skilled guitarists boring anyway...

Let's just say I think they wouldn't make it far in a competition based on skill, with all the other biggest musicians in the world
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Billie's guitar skills are very unnoticed since the mainstream shit didn't have awesome solos like 1039 or Kerplunk has, but it's showing in the Trilogy and it's surely shocking people over at Ultimate Guitar, haha. Mike and Tre make a perfect rhythm section. Jason is a great addition too, he's guitar playing is VERY smooth. Put all four together, it's orgasm at first note.

Yeah, because I'm sure they could do a reasonable version of Master of Puppets, Billie's played the riff at gigs before http://www.greendaycommunity.org/public/...


They'll come out with a 5 second studio video of Master of Puppets soon. Just like Hybrid Moments.

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But 99% of the time it should be totally accurate. The artist or their manager has to register the songs on ASCAP, and they have to provide all necessary information, including who the songwriters are. Generally - just about always - they will be honest about that. Everyone who had a part wants to be credited for their contribution, and people who didn't help don't really deserve a share, and the other writers wouldn't like that since that lessens the money they earn. Obviously people can and do include people that didn't really help write the song, or not include people who did, but normally they'll provide correct information.

In Green Day's case, I'm sure they want to be fair, so I don't see why they would give ASCAP false information.

That's right. I'm actually a part of SOCAN, which is the same idea, just Canadian. You provide all the information, like who wrote what, who played what, and whose paid what. Some people seem to be rethinking their royalty split rate because of a new "performance" royalty that was just recently added. I don't mean the royalty category that goes along with mechanical, synchronization, etc.. but a new, specifically for who performed on the recording. SOCAN, BMI, ASCAP, and all the others automatically began to pay it out. It can eliminate a lot of the royalty split problems I suppose. I'm sure you're right about Green Day. I mean they're such a tight unit that if someone contributes a bass line, drum beat, or even an rearrange to a song, Billie Joe will give the person a credit, which the songwriter doesn't necessarily have to do.
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oh my god. are you saying that Billie isn't the songrwiter now, too? He definitely is the songwriter



the stupidity of some of you makes me sad

Nope, you must've misunderstood.

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What I meant by not the best voice out there is that he's not classically trained or anything you know. I personally love his voice and I think it's great but I don't think it's any recognition because it doesn't sound like it's Michael Buble or someone like that. I wasn't trying to say his voice is awful! Sorry for the misunderstanding! I just meant others might not like his voice because it's not....fancy...I can't find the proper word sorry http://www.greendaycommunity.org/public/...


Ok, I think I see what you mean now, but I would say his voice is better than Michael Buble's personally, and in actual fact, Billie did have a vocal coach (taught classical and broadway stuff) when he was 4 or 5, not sure for how long, but I remember him saying this on an interview, around the time the American Idiot Musical came out. I'm assuming it was the lady that helped him record Look For Love. I also remember seeing an old interview where he said he never wanted to be a singer, he wanted to be a guitarist (like Eddie Van Halen or something), funny how fate works isn't it. For instance, anyone else singing those songs they record, its just not the same without his voice, even though the songs are good, his voice takes them to another level. Like the cast recording for the musical, although its good, and I really like some of the songs with the female vocals just as much as Green Day's recordings, most of them that are sung by other males are not as good as the Green Day versions, even though its Billie/Mike/Tre playing all the music on it.

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Billie Joe has never sucked at whatever he's doing! He's been making insane solos since the 39/Smooth days (Paper Lanterns, 409 In Your Coffeemaker). He's never stopped! Plus a lot of AI and 21CB songs have minor and major chords and aren't just 4 chord songs. Very Talented!
Mike, my god, in every GD album he's got some shining moment, sometimes more, in fact I'll give a few examples: 39/Smooth (Green Day), Kerplunk (No One Knows), Dookie (Longview, Welcome To Paradise, Sassafras Roots, When I Come Around), Nimrod (Hitchin' a Ride, King For A Day), Warning (Warning, Castaway), American Idiot (Jesus of Suburbia, Holiday, St. Jimmy), 21st Century Breakdown (Last of the American Girls, American Eulogy). I skipped Insomniac because just about every song off of it has an amazing bass line although the best IMO are Stuck With Me (the whole song and not just the solo), Panic Song, Stuart and the Ave. My friend and I have an inside joke and we say Insomniac might as well be Mike Dirnt's solo album :D
Now Tre is SUPER UNDERRATED!!! One thing I hate is when he is compared next to Travis Barker! :dry: Tre is a much better dummer, again IMO. But I mean can you disagree with me? Every drum part in every song is perfect i would not change any of them, Travis Barker just likes to show off and it isn't even that great most of the time. But anyway, I feel like Tre is left out the most. He's very original with his drumming style in the more recent albums, especially in 21CB. 21st Century Breakdown (song) has terrific and tricky fills and same goes for Before The Lobotomy, Static Age and See The Light!

Edited by Radio Victim, 13 November 2012 - 09:15 AM.


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Billie Joe has never sucked at whatever he's doing! He's been making insane solos since the 39/Smooth days (Paper Lanterns, 409 In Your Coffeemaker). He's never stopped! Plus a lot of AI and 21CB songs have minor and major chords and aren't just 4 chord songs. Very Talented!
Mike, my god, in every GD album he's got some shining moment, sometimes more, in fact I'll give a few examples: 39/Smooth (Green Day), Kerplunk (No One Knows), Dookie (Longview, Welcome To Paradise, Sassafras Roots, When I Come Around), Nimrod (Hitchin' a Ride, King For A Day), Warning (Warning, Castaway), American Idiot (Jesus of Suburbia, Holiday, St. Jimmy), 21st Century Breakdown (Last of the American Girls, American Eulogy). I skipped Insomniac because just about every song off of it has an amazing bass line although the best IMO are Stuck With Me (the whole song and not just the solo), Panic Song, Stuart and the Ave. My friend and I have an inside joke and we say Insomniac might as well be Mike Dirnt's solo album :D/>
Now Tre is SUPER UNDERRATED!!! One thing I hate is when he is compared next to Travis Barker! :dry:/> Tre is a much better dummer, again IMO. But I mean can you disagree with me? Every drum part in every song is perfect i would not change any of them, Travis Barker just likes to show off and it isn't even that great most of the time. But anyway, I feel like Tre is left out the most. He's very original with his drumming style in the more recent albums, especially in 21CB. 21st Century Breakdown (song) has terrific and tricky fills and same goes for Before The Lobotomy, Static Age and See The Light!


I agreed til the Barker comment listen to his work out of Blink he has some excellent work... both are excellent drummers

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Ok, I think I see what you mean now, but I would say his voice is better than Michael Buble's personally, and in actual fact, Billie did have a vocal coach (taught classical and broadway stuff) when he was 4 or 5, not sure for how long, but I remember him saying this on an interview, around the time the American Idiot Musical came out. I'm assuming it was the lady that helped him record Look For Love. I also remember seeing an old interview where he said he never wanted to be a singer, he wanted to be a guitarist (like Eddie Van Halen or something), funny how fate works isn't it. For instance, anyone else singing those songs they record, its just not the same without his voice, even though the songs are good, his voice takes them to another level. Like the cast recording for the musical, although its good, and I really like some of the songs with the female vocals just as much as Green Day's recordings, most of them that are sung by other males are not as good as the Green Day versions, even though its Billie/Mike/Tre playing all the music on it.


No I like Billie's voice better than Buble too, but i think because he doesn't sound like a traditional singer he doesn't get recognition for his vocals when he should :)

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Wanted to chip in on this. I really do feel Green Day aren't as rated as they should be. Travis Baker came like 4th(?) in the "Greatest drummers in the world" poll thing but Tre was nowhere near. I personally think Tre is a much better drummer. Also again, bass players Mike NEVER gets the recognition he deserves for his playing.

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Tre is a pretty limited drummer and is nowhere near as good as Travis Barker. His playing is defined by how limited the guitar is, whereas Travis Barker works around Tom DeLonge's even more limited guitar playing and gives what would otherwise be standard pop-punk riffs so much more depth.

Plus a lot of AI and 21CB songs have minor and major chords and aren't just 4 chord songs. Very Talented!


Also I laughed at this.
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Also I laughed at this.

Ahahahaha

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As individual musicians it's sort of hard to tell because I feel Mike and Tre are somewhat limited by Billie's songwriting. He tends to repeat the same chord structures just with different vocal melodies a lot which can be difficult for a rhythm section. Additionally, he's always been sort of confined to the pop music template so there isn't a hell of a lot of room for experimentation without risking complete alienation.
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While I think GD are very talented musicians, it seems like some of you overrate them a little bit. Just because a lot of their songs aren't "just 4 chords" doesn't make it a musical masterpiece - IMO that kind of complexity should be standard for a world-famous band.

That being said, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that GD's music doesn't necessarily carry the band. They're very solid - even if their songs aren't that complex, it sounds damn good. That, and Billie's excellent lyric-writing, are why Green Day just works, in my honest opinion. But yes, the guys are very talented and could flaunt it if they wished. However, they don't need that to sound great, which is something that deserves to be acknowledged


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