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In Defense of Green Day for Twilight


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As soon as I got word about Green Day allowing a new song in the upcoming Twilight movie, I knew what to expect, fans bitching about it. Maybe rightfully so. But I thought I'd offer a different point of view for the sake of conversation.

Allowing songs in a movie doesn't really define anything. All it says it "hey, listen to our song." So let me run down some points to support my argument.

Why do people have a problem with Twilight?

I'll be the first to admit that I haven't seen the films, nor do I have plans to start. I don't find the premise interesting. I don't know how good or bad the movies are, but plenty of people do enjoy them quite a bit. They have a following for a reason.

I think the people who hate on it, hate it on it for the sake of not wanting to follow the mainstream. I don't have a problem with that, I feel the same about most pop culture. I think people make up their minds about something before they experience it. Punks aren't supposed to like anything that most other people do. But that alone doesn't mean anything about whether or not Green Day should or shouldn't be in a film.

From what I gather from reaction so far, people think Twilight is cheesy, aimed at tweens, and this someone tarnishes Green Day's reputation as the badasses they are. But wait...what other movies has Green Day songs been in.

A history of Green Day on shitty stuff

Most recently Green Day allowed their song in the film "The Campaign". I went to see it, I didn't think it was a particularly good movie. It was maybe worth a rent if I was bored enough (which never happens). This song was about the Occupy Wall Street protests, probably the only significant progressive movement in the last decade or two. Yet the song was allowed at the credits of a campy comedy movie.

Here's a few other gems that Green Day (but much more likely, their record label) allowed their music to be on.

TV Shows

  • The Hills
  • The Vampire Diaries
  • Laguna Beach: The Real Orange County
  • Smallville

    Movies
    • Transformers
    • Surf's Up
    • Accepted
    • The New Guy
    • American Pie 2
    • Freddie Got Fingered
    • Godzilla
    • Joe's Apartment
    • Angus
    • The Jerky Boys

    Games

      [*]Madden NFL 2006 (Wake Me Up When September Ends)

      [*]Tony Hawk: American Wasteland

      [*]Madden 2005

      What's my point?

      Green Day is on one of the worlds largest record labels, Warner Brothers, who will market the shit out of anything they can. Green Day's music has been included on a bunch of content, some good, some terrible, and that doesn't change a goddamn thing.

      Many were upset at Warner for doing such a shitty job of promoting 21st Century Breakdown. This is them doing something else, but not new, to get the word out about Green Day's new albums.

      Having a song in Twilight doesn't change anything. More people will hear a new Green Day song and they'll possibly pick up a few fans from it. The song and it's meaning doesn't change. Green Day will continue to write music for themselves, about their experiences, and however their label decides to market and promote it has little effect on what the music actually is.

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blitzkriegdeb

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Well said Andres. It seems like people are so quick to jump the boat with the promotion for the trilogy, that they forget this is fucking GREEN DAY we're talking about. This is the same band that will always put out great music and have a great fucking live show, no matter if they have a song on Twilight, Laguna Beach, or be a hidden character in a skateboarding game.

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I personally am not a fan of Green Day allowing their song used on a Twilight soundtrack, and I have reacted the same way when other bands I like have done the same. I do see your point though; allowing more people to listen to their music is a good thing, and it is not unusual for bands to do this at all. However I feel the need to defend myself because of this paragraph:

"I think the people who hate on it, hate it on it for the sake of not wanting to follow the mainstream. I don't have a problem with that, I feel the same about most pop culture. I think people make up their minds about something before they experience it. Punks aren't supposed to like anything that most other people do."

I personally do not like the Twilight-saga at all, not the books, not the movies. I study literature, and there is nothing good about these books at all. The plot is close to non-existent, the writing is childish and simple, and the characters are undeveloped and their decisions are irrational. The only impressive thing about it, is how many fans it's got. Luckily no one is forcing me to read the books again or watch the movies.

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People have a problem with Twilight because it's a poorly written, trite, sexist, abstinence-promoting, vampire-ruining, possessive-and-abusive-behavior-okaying, overrated shitty excuse for a book series.

While I could definitely understand that point (and mainly why I've never had any interest in it), most people don't have a problem with it for those reasons.

And just to clarify, I'm not trying to defend Twilight (like I said, I've never seen them...for a reason), only saying that Green Day/Warner doesn't have a history of only allowing their music on quality work.

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melissawebster

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People have a problem with Twilight because it's a poorly written, trite, sexist, abstinence-promoting, vampire-ruining, possessive-and-abusive-behavior-okaying, overrated shitty excuse for a book series.

Haha! You always know exactly the right way to put things in perspective. Awesome. :D

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melissawebster

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The problem I have with this is the same problem I've had with most of the promotional roll-out of this album trilogy. Warner DOES NOT "get" the music, so they keep marketing it to the wrong audience on the wrong platforms. That is suicide as far as long-term strategy goes. Maybe Green Day will pick up a few tween fans for a little while, until the tweens move on to the next fad, but it won't solidify a long-term, loyal fanbase. And they're alienating the loyal, established fanbase in the process, leaving us flapping in the wind wondering what the fuck happened to our band.

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Insomniac1984

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Good point of view. You forgot movies like Howard Stern's Private parts and Varsity Blues, and their appearance on The Simpsons Movie.

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Caffeine1158

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Anything that Green Day does people are going to bitch about it. If having one song on a movie soundtrack (regardless of it being Twilight or something else) is enough to make someone jump ship and hate them, then I question their loyalty as a fan.

Yeah, I'm one of many that dislike Twilight for one reason or another, but I also know a few people that do like the series that might go see this movie. Actually, it would make my day hearing somebody say they heard a Green Day song and liked it, it doesn't matter to me where they heard it as long as they enjoyed it.

All it's about is just promoting the new albums and exposing new people to their music, what's so wrong about it? I don't think any less of the band for having a song on a Twilight movie, it's not like anyone's being forced to go see it or read the books or anything, so I see no harm being done.

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Guest DisapppearingBoy

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Tony Hawk american wasteland Was it green day or network on that?

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I have a problem with that Godzilla movie. One of the worst Godzilla movies ever made. And that's saying a lot! ;)

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*withoutadoubt*

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The problem I have with this is the same problem I've had with most of the promotional roll-out of this album trilogy. Warner DOES NOT "get" the music, so they keep marketing it to the wrong audience on the wrong platforms. That is suicide as far as long-term strategy goes. Maybe Green Day will pick up a few tween fans for a little while, until the tweens move on to the next fad, but it won't solidify a long-term, loyal fanbase. And they're alienating the loyal, established fanbase in the process, leaving us flapping in the wind wondering what the fuck happened to our band.

During the American Idiot era, Green Day picked up a LOT of new fans - tweens, teens, oldies, and everything else in between. Some fans ditched them when the next fad came along, and some of us are in for the long run. At the time, I'm not sure how the long-time fans liked the newcomers, but now I kinda consider myself an almost long-time fan, at least not-a-newbie fan, lol.

I "get" Green Day's music and it certainly got to me. I'm not gonna let Warner or Twilight or anything else get in the way of that.

It's always the same thing here, and there will always be someone or someones complaining about nothing or everything at once, lol. The music is what's important tho, right?!

After watching that whole crappy movie (and to be fair, I read the books before the movies came out and really liked them a lot. Movies ruined it for me.), people will at least get something substantial with a little GD.

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justcause

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The problem I have with this is the same problem I've had with most of the promotional roll-out of this album trilogy. Warner DOES NOT "get" the music, so they keep marketing it to the wrong audience on the wrong platforms. That is suicide as far as long-term strategy goes. Maybe Green Day will pick up a few tween fans for a little while, until the tweens move on to the next fad, but it won't solidify a long-term, loyal fanbase. And they're alienating the loyal, established fanbase in the process, leaving us flapping in the wind wondering what the fuck happened to our band.

I would agree with you as far as 'Warner does not get the music' - yeah, and if they did, they'd maybe market it in a more focused way, but then again, Green Day isn't putting any kind of strong definition with this trilogy, they're putting it across as something to unfold. It's like you go to a salesman and say 'I've got something in this box and it's fucking great - I won't tell you what it is, but you've gotta sell it hard and just take my word for it'. Salesman takes it and puts it on the biggest stages available, because that's what he does.

As regards 'the wrong audience' - shit, what's that? You could argue that there are people more likely to be primed to receiving it, but then you'd be leaving out all those magical random moments when someone just comes across a song and it hits them home - you'd be making a definition of who is Green Day's audience. In the big picture, it doesn't matter a fuck how this music is marketed - all that matters is all that ever mattered, which is that the music gets out there. You need something, you won't care how it comes, and when people need this music, it'll come to them, however it comes.

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joeysturkeyhead

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Tony Hawk american wasteland Was it green day or network on that?

It didn't quote.

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LittleGirlNamedButt

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Just like you, I find it kind of sad how people just decides to hate on something before they've even experienced it. I was like that a couple of year ago. I just went with the flow and hated everything that others hated - exept Green Day. That was probably the only thing I got lots of shit for loving no matter what.

The point is; why all the hate? I can understand if you don't like something, but hate? That's a damn strong word for something you know nothing about. Go watch the damn movie or read the books, THEN you can make an opinion about it. I can say that "I don't like" Twilight, because it looks quite silly to me. But I would never say I hate it. Two of my dearest friends are fellow Green Day fans, but also in love with the sparkling vampires. They will be so happy when they see these news, because it's two of their favorite things coming together.

What brings you down can lighten up another ones day, and the opposite. I think a lot of people will appreciate this, no matter if they're already fans or not. I came to love Green Day 2004 when AI came, watching Bullet In A Bible on TV a late saturday night. I've been a fan ever since then, even though I did actually hear their music before. It just never really got to my attention until then. A lot of Twilight fans might have heard GD before, and maybe now they will get their music the same way I did 8 years ago? I don't see anything bad about this, more then some bitching fans or non-fans hating on GD and Twilight. But so what, I don't listen to them; I listen to the damn music.

Fans worrying about posers; just forget it. What's the deal? If they wanna go buy a couple of t-shirts and go around saying that GD is the best after hearing one song; so what? If they mean what they say, then they'll buy their other stuff and discovers their music. If not; then move on. People been like that all the time, it won't change.

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Sofouska

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As long as they make good music, I don't care even if it's used in fast food commercials.

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Pieces of Truth

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"Tony got fingered" lmfao, what the fuck? :lol:

Really. I read the books when I had nothing to do in the middle of summer holidays 2 or 3 years ago, and they suck. And so do the films. But I don't care 'cause I'm here for how the music sounds and not where it appears.

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Kayfabe

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Don't forget Andres, Twilight is quite really sexist. No one really gives a fuck because it's "accepted sexism", but the way it portrays its 'good guy' characters/heroes is pretty awful.

It doesn't change anything, but it makes them look a bit lame

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Of Rage and Love

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Was the list just supposed to be "bad" things they have done? Because in Green Day's defense, the Tony Hawk games are notorious for having great punk rock soundtracks. (Billie was actually a playable character in the game too). Anyway Twilight isn't too much of a big deal, its just music in a movie. Its not like their writing a song specifically for the movie.

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stories and songs

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Well said. I really don't understand the fuss about Green Day being on a soundtrack for films that actually have a history of having very good soundtracks featuring talented, legitimate musicians. I get that a lot of people don't like the movies, but the quality of the film and the quality of the music featured in the film are two very different things.

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mmmcrazypills

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I kind of feel like this is a hail mary by the record label to pick up the abysmal record sales. Call it a hunch I guess. You make a multitude of excellent points though. Fans do not own Green Day. Stop being elitists, especially about a band that gets a lot of the same criticisms that Twilight does.

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The Godzilla remix of Brain Stew is fucking hilarious.

Agree with you 100% on this Andres. If you don't like it and you're going to take marketing that seriously, just don't pay attention to the movie; It's that simple.

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