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iHeartRadio Performance: Ego or Punk?


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Update Monday September 24th: I've written a follow-up to this post after it was announced that Billie Joe was getting help with substance abuse. Please read it.

Love the reactions today from Green Day's performance last night at iHeartRadio festival. (Watch the video over on GDA) I didn't get to watch the whole thing live because I was distracted. After a friend text me and told me it was a disaster, I turned the stream on, right at the start of Basket Case and just in time to see Billie stop the song half way through and say he didn't want to play that shit.

Billie was pretty drunk. You could tell in their pre-show interview he was already pretty tipsy. I won't lie, his performance wasn't very flattering. He kept hitting the wrong notes while he sang and clearly just wasn't up to the usual kick-assedness that he usually is live, but that's alright for me. I thought his drunken antics were pretty entertaining. They play 140+ shows on tour this one fuck-up won't define them.

While the performance was shotty at best, the antics were fucking great. I think many of us can readily admit that current mainstream music sucks, but for some reason it made me very happy to see Billie Joe go on stage and talk shit about it. It wasn't over the top in obnoxiousness, I actually thought it was subtle when he mentioned they could bring Usher back since Green Day has such little time for their set.

This also isn't the first time Green Day plays drunk. Yeah, this is the first time in a while that at a proper Green Day show in front of a huge audience they've clearly had a few too many, but it's not new, and I don't think it's anything to be disappointed about. They get pretty fucked up at a Foxboro Hot Tubs show and every still has a good time.

I'll only be disappointed if this becomes a regular thing. A festival where Green Day plays a short set sandwiched between some mediocre artists isn't going to yield you the ideal Green Day experience.

I think this quote is great:

I remember a time back 16 years ago when green day got angry everyone would say "yeah they are bratty punks .... What do you expect"

Now 16 years down the line getting angry on stage is now called having a "massive ego".

What the fuck happened ?

As I mentioned in the iHeart thread - Green Day isn't family entertainment. If people expect them to be, then they've assigned an attribute to Green Day that the guys don't assign to themselves. That's not Green Day's problem.

Billie Joe turned this show into something worth talking about, whether for the right reasons or not. I'll let everyone get up on their high horse and talk about what a grown man should or shouldn't do. I'll just sit here laughing because I loved it.

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Femme Gauche

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It was still massive ego when they were bratty punks, that was just a "cute" excuse; a way to write them off. I don't see how this is different from back then, though. I also don't think it's the end of the world for someone to show a little self-importance during a performance. At least he is real.

Agreeing with pretty much everything you said, it wasn't a flattering performance. I think it does show the sort of private fury reflected in their old and their newest songs. And I think that being drunk... given that it is Vegas, it's certainly 'permissible' (not that they need my permission, of course). Especially at an event like this where they are neither headlining nor surrounded by people who would be closer to their peers, and where the audience is far from being their own. As for Billie Joe baring it all (basically), I don't think he went into this thinking he wasn't going to play it again (a la Madison Square Gardens), but sometimes, you gotta engage the audience....

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It's good to see him have a very human, very rock star moment of pure egotism. They sing about getting fucked up. It's cool to see them live the music.

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That was excellent. I agree with you, Andres! And I think it was both punk and ego, but it was on purpous and it was awesome. They have been around for 20 years, and giving them a shorter set than usher/ rhianna and whoever else performed on that stage because they don't conform the the normal standards of popularity is like a slap in the face and I think that's how he felt.... People can say what they want but in the end, Billie Joe wasn't going to take something that he thought wasn't fair, he's himself (even if that's his drunk self! Lol) and that right there is very fucking punk rock.

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xawesomeasfucktimex

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Green Day deserve to be able to have a massive ego. They're fucking Green Day, they've worked harder than any of those pop acts ever have, or will in their lifetime.

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I think with this one theres a bit of ego and a bit of Billie being up himself, but he's always had this and doesn't change from the down to earth engaging entertainer that he is (he got on the floor to play remember). But I think it could have been just as dangerous for him to say we as it is I... because saying we is speaking for the whole band which I know if I was Mike or Tre I would be saying that I can speak for myself.

I can understand why Billie was particuarly upset about time not just because of Usher but also just for the plain fact that you can't do anything with one min.

And if I was Billie I would be fucked off as well appearing as a "major act" at a festival then being givin the time you assign to an up an coming band. I'm sure Billie was annoyed to be assosicated with this festival and I don't think you've heard the last about it either.

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SmidtsPie°

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I agree too, and i'm still a bit shocked about how awful the crowd was. Never have I seen anything like that!

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Well said Andres. I wish he didn't let it impact his performance, but the ending was definitely entertaining as hell

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ExtraordinaryGirl23

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Green Day have earned their spot in music history. The fact that they give these people who can't even sing more time is disgusting. Billie knows it. He knows they are the only real music there. He was pissed because the world is fucking slipping. I support the complete thing. I freaking loved it. I just hate iheart now. That's all I was saying, to delete the app, to make a difference and show we care. We're fucking punks after all. A little rebellion never hurt anyone.

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melissawebster

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Absolutely agree. Whether for the right reasons or not, the only thing people are talking about regarding the iHeart Festival is Green Day and NOT Rhianna or the other acts. And it reinforces their "fuck you" attitude towards everything, clearly showing they're going to do what they want. They're not has-beens or aging rockers trying to re-live their glory days. They're putting out and promoting three freaking albums right now, yet iHeart just fucking treated them like they were disposable. The entire performance was tainted from the beginning because of this.

And I'm not convinced it was because Billie was overly drunk. I think he was pissed and thrown off his game. I mean, they couldn't even play full songs because their time was cut so short, for goddamn Rhianna. She's beautiful and a great singer, but fuck that shit. They should have cut the time on some of the earlier acts or made her go on later. Green Day deserved better and I love that Billie Joe made an issue of it. They've earned the respect he demanded. And the time being cut so ridiculously short probably threw off the entire performance, leaving them scrambling to decide what to play.

God love Mike Dirnt. That was truly awesome the way he joined Billie in trashing those guitars. It was the best part of the performance, and something we don't get to see a whole lot of from rockers these days, thanks to the shitty performers the music industry forces on us.

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melissawebster

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And one more thing... Warner marketing better not fucking make him apologize or go on some "confession/explanation" interview or any of that shit. They need to let it stand and let Green Day be themselves again. Warner's played it so safe in the promotional roll-out, choosing "Oh Love" as the first single for fuck's sake, they've already fucked this whole thing up enough.

Okay. My rant is done. :D

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agree...and sure it was ego as well, but Billie was fucking right. in my opinion it's just unfair when they shorten the setlist of one band while they don't do it with others as well, it would have been okay if they shortened Green Day's setlist for maybe 10 minutes - if they then also do it with Rihanna and the acts that come afterwards, but just shortening Green Day's setlist and then about 25 minutes is just unfair...and not just cos Green Day are the best band there or cos they are a band since 25 years (as Billie's said himself) but because it's unfair for no matter which band stands on stage in that moment...as for that i think it was pretty punk rock of Billie that he said his opinion about it...

and sure he was drunk, but who wouldn't react like Billie if that happens AND the crowd is shit?

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I agree. They let Usher go over 20 minutes into Green Day's set, which is why Green Day had to cut their time to make sure Rhianna was on time. That's just wrong, and iHeart should have cut Usher off instead of allowing them to cut into Green Day's time. It was wrong and extremely disrespectful, especially since this was Green Day's last real performance before Uno drops on Tuesday. They were there promoting their album, not just to entertain the deadbeat bullshit crowd. This is the state of music today. These people don't even know how to react to actual rock-n-roll and live bands anymore. They're so used to lipsyncing singers and pre-recorded music. It's disgusting.

agree...though i'm sure there'll come a lot about Green Day's performance and especially Billie's rants in the news the next days, so i guess now that's even a better promoting for the album than if they would have just played their set normally :P

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melissawebster

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So true. The cynic in me wonders if the whole thing was an intentional publicity stunt. Though I really think it was a genuine emotional reaction on Billie's part. And I don't blame him one bit.

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So true. The cynic in me wonders if the whole thing was an intentional publicity stunt. Though I really think it was a genuine emotional reaction on Billie's part. And I don't blame him one bit.

i thought about that, too, but i somehow doubt that it was actually really just a publicity stunt...

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melissawebster

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i thought about that, too, but i somehow doubt that it was actually really just a publicity stunt...

I doubt it as well. I think they were seriously pissed off, and Billie doesn't always have total control over his emotions in the best of circumstances. And I think ego played a part also, and that's not a bad thing. They've earned it. Either way, in the end, it'll work in their favor and probably bring more attention to the albums. :D

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I doubt it as well. I think they were seriously pissed off, and Billie doesn't always have total control over his emotions in the best of circumstances. And I think ego played a part also, and that's not a bad thing. They've earned it. Either way, in the end, it'll work in their favor and probably bring more attention to the albums. :D

yeah i think that, too...i mean Billie was drunk, the crowd was shit AND then they shortened their set, i doubt you could ever plan that all :lol: and i agree, i'm sure it will work in their favor :D

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joeysturkeyhead

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Green Day was supposed to play for 45 mins and got just 25, no wonder Billie was pissed. Unfortunately all the Rn'b acts were so much more important, fucking autotune bitches...

That is not having a big ego, they got 25 fucking minutes! They love to do live shows and they only get 25 fucking minutes, who wouldn't be pissed?!

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