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How do you deal with racist friends?


Beer'postle

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So, a classmate of mine has become a bit problematic recently... (and I say classmate because I'm not sure I can call her a friend anymore.)

I'm no fan of hers anyway since she showed some homophobic tendencies ever since I started to talk to her this semester, which has really bothered me and another friend who is bi, but it was really mild and I thought "meh, she's Russian. what do I expect? she was probably raised this way". But she didn't do shit to help us during our group project and will probably still get a good grade. I often contemplated talking to our professor about her lazy behavior but I never never had the heart to go behind her back, so I didn't. After our group presentation (which went marvelous by the way) we planned to take her to the side and talk to her that we didn't want to do group projects with her anymore. I left before I got the chance (I carpool with another classmate to uni), so I don't know if my other two friends talked to her. Later I got the message: "Oh, you left so soon, I didn't even get the chance to give you your goodbye present! The other girls already got theirs, I will give it to you next week!" And suddenly I really felt bad and thought "she's so nice. i just can't bring myself to tell her she's a terrible group member." So things have remained friendly and I had no plans to change it.

Well, yesterday Germany played against Italy in the Euro Cup and everyone, including me, absolutely went nuts (there were cars honking and fireworks in the sky until three hours later), but then I receive a message from her, a white girl, saying: "A n**** just stole my flag on our way to the car :(:(:( "
I was completely shell shocked by that comment because I never expected anyone I know to be so blatantly racist and to never once think "this might not be a wise thing to say". 

When I called her out on it, calmly (but disappointed) saying that that's incredibly racist and that you should never say that no matter how angry you are, she actually defended herself by saying that stealing a flag is stupid too! :/ Which obviously set me off because I couldn't believe she was justifying a racist slur because someone stole a flag she can buy for 2 euros in the next corner store. And then she has the audacity to tell me "fuck racism, that guy just ruined my good mood", when I angrily call her out on it. On top of that, she made a Facebook post saying: "a black man just stole my flag" and actually felt the need to emphasize that it was indeed a BLACK MAN who stole her flag which just proves that she felt her prejudices were confirmed.

She wasn't even acting like she was sorry for her comment. She actually believed that she was being wronged here. 

When I started telling her how incredibly disappointed I was, that I expected more of her and that her lack of insight on top of the racism says a lot about her character, she started making excuses like "I wasn't thinking" and "I was drunk, alcohol does bad things to people", which is just plain bullshit. Alcohol loosens your tongue and makes you lose your inhibitions, but it doesn't turn your value system upside down. I've been more than drunk several times before and I never acted like this. She added that it's "forbidden in Germany", which it isn't, it's just common sense, "and not the whole world" and that she didn't know it was such a taboo in this country, because there is no racism in Russia, it's an USA thing. She then started making apologies because she suddenly realised I was being serious about cutting her off. Her apologies were so hollow and I didn't believe it for one second and she got really desperate, saying she was ashamed and anything.

I didn't feel bad about it at all, because I don't need friends in my life who are racist and refuse to take responsibility. But I'm also angry at my two other friends who didn't say anything the entire time the fight was going on, even though I know they were just as annoyed with her as I was. Now they're acting like nothing happened (literally my friend just asked something completely unrelated), and I'm the bad guy. I approached the problem and dealt with it, so they didn't have to and now they're safe and can continue being friends with her, while I'm the evil wrangler.

Now I'm a bit conflicted, maybe I was acting too harsh by trying to cut her out of my life and think maybe I should give her a second chance, even though her attempts at remorse were pathetic and she should know better, since ignorance is really no excuse anymore in 2016. Maybe she's learning now though.

[all text messages in spoiler]

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Her: 

A nigga just took my flag out of my hand :mad::mad::mad: 
While we were in the car
:cry:

Me:

Daria
That is incredibly racist
You should never say that no matter how angry you are
:dry:

Her:

Stealing flags is stupid too :ermm:

Me:

THAT STILL DOESN'T JUSTIFY RACISM
STEALING A FLAG =/= DISCRIMINATING OTHER RACES
Jesus FUCKING CHRIST it is 2016
And not the damn 50s
And you're still justifying it

Her:

My flag is gone
:mad:

Me:

Fuck your fucking flag
I don't believe this right now
You don't get the problem do you
:mellow:

Her:

Not fuck. He had no right to take it out of my hand 

Me:

And you had no right calling him that
No matter what he did

Her:

Ok

Me:

That's the bigger problem here.
It's annoying but they cost like 2 euros and you can buy another. that doesn't justify racism.

Her:

Fuck racism... i'm not making a drama out of it, i said it without thinking. i could have said the stupid young man ruined my mood :mad:

Me:

Geez Daria you're really playing the wrong note here. at least admit that you made a fucking mistake and ACCEPT THAT RACISM IS NOT OKAY no matter what happens to you
with things like "fuck racism" you're out of favor and if that ruins your mood i'm not sorry.
there's worse things than a stolen flag
:ermm:

Her:

I have no problem with racism...

Me:

You obviously do

Her:

I chose the wrong word

Me:

Honestly, you're not even sorry
I don't care then

Her:

I have no prejudices against races

Me:

You used a word, an insult towards an entire race, of which every CHILD knows that you can't use it and you don't even give the slightest impression, that you're the least bit sorry, but instead search for excuses and justifications for your behavior. and your facebook post, where you just had to highlight that it was a BLACK MAN who stole your flag, proves that you feel like your prejudices have been confirmed. that's the lowest of low and in the year 2016 you should know how to deal with such a topic.
and the fact that you so vehemently try to defend yourself instead of realizing you made a mistake is more than disappointing and says a lot about you. sorry not sorry

Her:

It's forbidden in Germany and not in the whole world... and I was affected... i wrote it here and didn't say it to him and he is the only one i should apologize to, if it had happened. and for you personally i will say it again: it wasn't a racist comment but an angry fit

Me:

You really don't get it
I didn't say you should apologize to ME
But that you should apologize for your statement
No angry fit justifies that.
Bye.

Her:

Ok sorry for my statement

Me:

Yes I'm aware of how serious you are
Not
You're done

Her:

No I'm serious

Me:

I noticed
You already showed that you're not sorry at all and you obviously don't get what the problem is and a "sorry" is a bit late now, sorry.

Her:

I understand that you don't say that in Germany. No matter what happens. And I'm sorry. Alcohol does bad things to people. I'm sobered up now and can think clearer.. now I wouldn't say that.... if you're prejudiced against me now you obviously won't want to accept that I'm sorry

Me:

Lol now I'm prejudiced against you
Of course
You don't say that anywhere. Maybe in Russia but not here. Alcohol loosens your tongue but not your value system. I was drunk often too but never allowed myself such things. Good that you're apologizing but that doesn't change my mind...

Her:

But I'm not prejudiced against them! !!!!

Me:

If you say so

Her:

It's not forbidden in Russia because we didn't have racism problems, it all comes from the USA. It's less relevant for us. And the meaning of the word is not as important as it is here

Me:

Yeah you have other problems in Russia

Her:

I feel ashamed... i'm sorry again... it was really stupid... it shouldn't have happened

 

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angry_robot

Posted

> Complains about racism

> "meh, she's Russian. what do I expect?"

That girl sounds like a douche and you did the right thing but come on. :) 

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Beer'postle

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3 hours ago, angry_robot said:

> Complains about racism

> "meh, she's Russian. what do I expect?"

That girl sounds like a douche and you did the right thing but come on. :) 

I didn't mean all Russians were homophobic, but you can't deny that Russia has a huge problem with homophobia and she's not the fist Russian I met who was violently homophobic. But I realise how that came across.

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Harry Potter.

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10 hours ago, Steven Seagull said:

Ban them. Sry Ceadog :(

wait what's up with ceadog?

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Beer'postle

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1 minute ago, Harry Potter. said:

wait what's up with ceadog?

he's racist? idk if he was banned or something but when i was more active here a few months ago he said the 'n' word from time to time... "trolling" i guess

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Beerjeezus

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1 minute ago, Harry Potter. said:

wait what's up with ceadog?

I heard he got a dupe recently. 

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Steven Seagull

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5 minutes ago, Juste Bro said:

 he said the 'n' word from time to time... "trolling" i guess

Yup that's what I was talking about :P

6 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said:

I heard he got a dupe recently. 

Evil mods trying to hide that from us

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Beerjeezus

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1 minute ago, Steven Seagull said:

Yup that's what I was talking about :P

Evil mods trying to hide that from us

When someone joins GDC only to post that the new Green Day album will be "shite" it's impossible to cover up. :P

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Beer'postle

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7 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

Yup that's what I was talking about :P

lol he really got banned??? 

2 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said:

When someone joins GDC only to post that the new Green Day album will be "shite" it's impossible to cover up. :P

tbh ever since i joined GDC i started using the word "shite" ... you will be remembered Ceadog

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Steven Seagull

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1 minute ago, Jane Lannister said:

When someone joins GDC only to post that the new Green Day album will be "shite" it's impossible to cover up. :P

Classic Ceadog

 

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Beerjeezus

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2 minutes ago, Juste Bro said:

lol he really got banned??? 

tbh ever since i joined GDC i started using the word "shite" ... you will be remembered Ceadog

The whole thing never got fully explained, apparently due to personal business being involved. His account was deleted. 

I like the word tbh. However, it's just too much of a ceadog word to use in on gdc :D

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Beer'postle

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9 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said:

The whole thing never got fully explained, apparently due to personal business being involved. His account was deleted. 

I like the word tbh. However, it's just too much of a ceadog word to use in on gdc :D

ahh, he was funny though, when he didn't piss me off with the occasional "n" word (wasn't that why chanelle left??)
i remember when green day played in the house of blues or when they were introduced into the hall of fame, and he made fake tweets about john kiffmeyer and his ... oranges?? and other stupid shit and other people actually thought he was serious. that was fun. :D 

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Nemo.

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On 4.7.2016 at 1:11 PM, Juste Bro said:

I didn't mean all Russians were homophobic, but you can't deny that Russia has a huge problem with homophobia and she's not the fist Russian I met who was violently homophobic. But I realise how that came across.

come on germany has a big problem with homophobia, too. Do you remember the protests in Baden-Würrtemberg against the new schooling plans introduced by the greens who wanted to include teaching about homo/bi an transsexuality in biology class?

germany is not better.

not at all.

we just don't show it in law-making

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Beer'postle

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6 hours ago, Varda. said:

come on germany has a big problem with homophobia, too. Do you remember the protests in Baden-Würrtemberg against the new schooling plans introduced by the greens who wanted to include teaching about homo/bi an transsexuality in biology class?

germany is not better.

not at all.

we just don't show it in law-making

I never said that Germany wasn't homophobic?? Germany is homophobic, it is sometimes very homophobic, BUT being homosexual isn't a crime here, as it is in Russia. Homosexuals aren't allowed to adopt children and not every mention of the word "homosexual" is seen as "homosexual propaganda". Homosexual people in Germany don't have to live in fear of being arrested for expressing who they are. 

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angry_robot

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1 hour ago, Juste Bro said:

as it is in Russia

it's not :) The law is shite and a disgrace to our society but  "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relationships among minors" and being gay are different things. 

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Beer'postle

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1 minute ago, angry_robot said:

"propaganda of non-traditional sexual relationships among minors" and being gay are different things. 

what exactly do you mean?

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angry_robot

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Just now, Juste Bro said:

what exactly do you mean?

I often hear that "being gay" is illegal in Russia while in fact it's not true, just wanted to get facts straight. 

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Beer'postle

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4 minutes ago, angry_robot said:

I often hear that "being gay" is illegal in Russia while in fact it's not true, just wanted to get facts straight. 

As opposed to "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relationships among minors"? I don't understand.

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Nemo.

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9 hours ago, Juste Bro said:

I never said that Germany wasn't homophobic?? Germany is homophobic, it is sometimes very homophobic, BUT being homosexual isn't a crime here, as it is in Russia. Homosexuals aren't allowed to adopt children and not every mention of the word "homosexual" is seen as "homosexual propaganda". Homosexual people in Germany don't have to live in fear of being arrested for expressing who they are. 

yes you didn't say that. But still we are not very much better than Russia. That was my point. So your comment about russians in your first post was not justified. because it's just not fair to judge a whole country by it's government.

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Outofmind

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Racist and hateful friends???  I tend to block and disconnect from them.

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Trotsky

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On 7/12/2016 at 0:46 AM, Varda. said:

yes you didn't say that. But still we are not very much better than Russia. That was my point. So your comment about russians in your first post was not justified. because it's just not fair to judge a whole country by it's government.

 

It's not fair to judge a whole country by its government but I think Germany or any European country or Canada or the US are all much safer places for LGBT people than Russia at this point in time. 

On 7/11/2016 at 5:14 PM, angry_robot said:

it's not :) The law is shite and a disgrace to our society but  "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relationships among minors" and being gay are different things. 

 

That is still existential persecution. Apartheid doesn't make being non-white literally illegal but it oppresses them in every aspect of life. 

On 7/11/2016 at 3:40 PM, Juste Bro said:

 Homosexual people in Germany don't have to live in fear of being arrested for expressing who they are. 

 

I figured, once I saw the gay sex shop around the corner from Anna's flat. :P

 

Unless it's a trap... :o

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Outofmind

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Even if people do not want to admit it... there is not a person on earth who is not a relative to someone with skin or religion or whatever different from their own.  People who refuse to admit that and accept that everyone is different and EQUAL when it comes to HUMAN RIGHTS, simply do not belong among my "friends."  Arguing over it just increases the tension which often results in violent thoughts or behaviors... I want no part of that, so... when someone tells me they devalue a person based on something as stupid as hair color... they get a glare from me.

Admittedly I stopped tolerating a relative on FaceBook because the person was so hateful... I had enough on my plate already... so I blocked and unfriended.

 

 

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Nemo.

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11 hours ago, Trotsky said:

 

It's not fair to judge a whole country by its government but I think Germany or any European country or Canada or the US are all much safer places for LGBT people than Russia at this point in time. 

 

 

Yes, you are right. But still this does not justify the rasict comment Justine made in the acutal post. That was my original point.

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