Green Day in Kerrang! - Dookie as the #1 album to hear before you die, Billie Joe on cover and in Pandora comic

[Iva]

As originally reported by desertrose in Random Green Day News, Green Day are in Kerrang! once again. The issue # is dated January 31st 2015 and Billie Joe shares the cover together with numerous other icons of [whatever is the Kerrang-preferred flavour of] rock.

Inside, Dookie is #1 on the list of 50 albums to hear before you die...

...and Billie is also making an appearance in this week's Pandora comic, in the light of the recent story of how he helped find Mochi, the pit bull.

More details on this issue of Kerrang! can be found below:

http://www.kerrang.com/27558/k1553-50-albums-need-hear-die/

[Anaïs.]

What a shock.

Also, Green Day is my favorite band and all, but there are plenty of records you should listen to far before Dookie if it's a matter of life and death.

[Z J]

What a shock.

Also, Green Day is my favorite band and all, but there are plenty of records you should listen to far before Dookie if it's a matter of life and death.

I mean it's pretty easy to argue for another album as #1. But that would have been true no matter what was number 1. I think Dookie is a valid choice. It has: huge impact, accessible melodies, relatable lyrics, and is poppy enough to entertain a wide ranging audience.

[BetterThanAir]

What a shock.

Also, Green Day is my favorite band and all, but there are plenty of records you should listen to far before Dookie if it's a matter of life and death.

Nimrod > Dookie.

I think it should still be a Green Day album of some kind.

[Anaïs.]

Nimrod > Dookie.

I like you.

[youngreendayvet]

"It has a pop mentality to it."- Dan O'Conner... No it doesn't?

[WhiteTim]

"It has a pop mentality to it."- Dan O'Conner... No it doesn't?

Yes it does

[Clockwise]

Tre > Dookie

[youngreendayvet]

How? There's no synthesizers, no Michael Jackson or Madonna influences, so how does it have a pop mentality? The album has a song about jerking off, which isn't really a "Top 40" topic. It's influences stem from East Bay punk and rock and roll in general, not pop music.

Yes it does

i forgot to qoute you before

[Maid Meringue]

"It has a pop mentality to it."- Dan O'Conner... No it doesn't?

When the term "pop" is used in reference to green day albums, it is not in the same context as Top 40 pop.

The subgenre "pop punk" is very much alive, as traces can be found in bands like Bink, Good Charlotte, Sum 41, and even bands like A Day to Remember and Escape the Fate

It usually has to do with upbeat, melodic vocals as opposed to real regular punk music

* let it be noted that I don't like any of the bands above, minus a few ADTR tracks. One can only listen to so much about friends and girls.

[youngreendayvet]

When the term "pop" is used in reference to green day albums, it is not in the same context as Top 40 pop.

The subgenre "pop punk" is very much alive, as traces can be found in bands like Bink, Good Charlotte, Sum 41, and even bands like A Day to Remember and Escape the Fate

* let it be noted that I don't like any of the bands above, minus a few ADTR tracks.

That is why I hate the term pop punk, it is a total misrepresentation of the music (that is why I don't say it.) Perhaps the music isn't as heavy as some punk bands like Black Flag or the Misfits, but that makes it alternative/alternative punk.

[WhiteTim]

How? There's no synthesizers, no Michael Jackson or Madonna influences, so how does it have a pop mentality? The album has a song about jerking off, which isn't really a "Top 40" topic. It's influences stem from East Bay punk and rock and roll in general, not pop music.

i forgot to qoute you before

Pop isn't just Madonna or MJ Green Day has always been Pop punk and there's nothing at all wrong with that

[youngreendayvet]

Pop isn't just Madonna or MJ Green Day has always been Pop punk and there's nothing at all wrong with that

Then what is anyt pop music that is relevant to GD at all?

[21guns&novacaine]

Haha, I love the comic

[Iva]

Pop, in broad sense, means popular music. Can't get more simple than that.

[Maid Meringue]

That is why I hate the term pop punk, it is a total misrepresentation of the music (that is why I don't say it.) Perhaps the music isn't as heavy as some punk bands like Black Flag or the Misfits, but that makes it alternative/alternative punk.

see, I hate the term "alternative" because that brings to mind a plethora of bands such as Coldplay, Yellowcard and Imagine Dragons. Fucking yuck, man.

Pop Punk began before the Misfits (technically) anyway, as Danzig jumped on the Horror Punk train in the late 70s and the Ramones (who are the pinnacle of Pop Punk) solidified themselves in '74.

and Black Flag was on the opposite coast (from the above) at the time, so their music had a different influence altogether. Beej was in kindergarden when they got their start.

Green Day didn't really take much influence from hardcore punk bands, anyway.

Even the local punk scene didn't like them at first, and Gilman was the first to say that they were too poppy to play the venue (but a friend of theirs managed to let it slide).

If you want to talk specifics.

[youngreendayvet]

see, I hate the term "alternative" because that brings to mind a plethora of bands such as Coldplay, Yellowcard and Imagine Dragons. Fucking yuck, man.

Pop Punk began before the Misfits (technically) anyway, as Danzig jumped on the Horror Punk train in the late 70s and the Ramones (who are the pinnacle of Pop Punk) solidified themselves in '74.

and Black Flag was on the opposite coast (from the above) at the time, so their music had a different influence altogether. Beej was in kindergarden when they got their start.

Green Day didn't really take much influence from hardcore punk bands, anyway.

Even the local punk scene didn't really like them at first, and Gilman was the first to say that they were too poppy to play the venue (but a friend of theirs managed to let it slide).

If you want to talk specifics.

Are you saying the Ramones are pop punk because they harmonize? The Ramones are def not pop punk, your incorrect by saying that GD didn't get their influence by hardcore punk bands. In the past Billie has cited the Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, and Operation Ivy as musical influence along with many classic rock bands.

[Maid Meringue]

You seriously give me a headache and are in desperate need of a history lesson.

Dead Kennedys, Black Flag and Op Ivy are from 3 different subgenres and 2 different punk generations. Lumping them in together and saying that's why pop punk does not exist, is irrelevant.
Name me one green day song that sounds anything like those bands, for starters.

The Ramones is probably the most Pop Punk band there is. I don't quite know what else to tell you.
Unless you're thinking about 4th gen pop punk like Newfound Glory and All Time Low, in which case yes you're right they have broken into two completely different things and would not be considered pop punk by the same standard. We're getting too deep into theory now.

The term "pop punk" is given bad rep as it was synonymous with mainstream and poseur punk in the 80's, which is something i'm not even going to bother explaining because you can just watch the satirical movie SLC Punk and have it laid out for you.

[WhiteTim]

In what universe are The Ramones not a pop punk band?

[youngreendayvet]

You seriously give me a headache and are in desperate need of a history lesson.

Dead Kennedys, Black Flag and Op Ivy are from 3 different subgenres and 2 different punk generations. Lumping them in together and saying that's why pop punk is wrong, is irrelevant.

Name me one green day song that sounds anything like those bands, for starters.

The Ramones is probably the most Pop Punk band there is. I don't quite know what else to tell you.

Unless you're thinking about 4th gen pop punk like Newfound Glory and All Time Low, in which case yes you're right they have broken into two completely different things and would not be considered pop punk by the same standards.

the term "pop punk" is given bad rep due to being synonymous with mainstream and poseur punk, which i'm not going to bother explaining because you can just go watch the satirical movie SLC Punk and have it laid out for you.

Hmmm a Green day song that sounds like an Op Ivy song... Let me think... Perhaps the OPERATION IVY SONG KNOWLEDGE WHICH GREEN DAY COVERED! Second thing is that the Ramones were revolutionary for there time and sounded nothing like pop at the time they came out. I recommend that you listen to Henry Rollins' take on the Ramones, and how independent of any other music genre they were. Also, my point is that all three of those bands are indeed punk rock bands, and what time period they hail from is irrelevant because they are the same genre. By your logic NOFX is completely different than Bad Religion because Bad Religion predates them, when Bad Religion is in fact an influence to Fat Mike and THEY SHARE THE SAME GENRE.

In what universe are The Ramones not a pop punk band?

The logical one?

[WhiteTim]

Hmmm a Green day song that sounds like an Op Ivy song... Let me think... Perhaps the OPERATION IVY SONG KNOWLEDGE WHICH GREEN DAY COVERED! Second thing is that the Ramones were revolutionary for there time and sounded nothing like pop at the time they came out. I recommend that you listen to Henry Rollins' take on the Ramones, and how independent of any other music genre they were. Also, my point is that all three of those bands are indeed punk rock bands, and what time period they hail from is irrelevant because they are the same genre. By your logic NOFX is completely different than Bad Religion because Bad Religion predates them, when Bad Religion is in fact an influence to Fat Mike and THEY SHARE THE SAME GENRE.

The logical one?

WOW...

[youngreendayvet]

You seriously give me a headache and are in desperate need of a history lesson.

The term "pop punk" is given bad rep as it was synonymous with mainstream and poseur punk in the 80's, which is something i'm not even going to bother explaining because you can just watch the satirical movie SLC Punk and have it laid out for you.

i seemed to have missed that last line. That is why I keep saying we should get rid of the term completely. And don't tell me about SLC punk honey.

WOW...

Expand please?

[WhiteTim]

i seemed to have missed that last line. That is why I keep saying we should get rid of the term completely. And don't tell me about SLC punk honey.

Expand please?

You really need to research more

But then again you think Pop is just MJ or Madonna etc

Pop is just popular doesn't mean it has to have synths or dance track in the music

[youngreendayvet]

You really need to research more

But then again you think Pop is just MJ or Madonna etc

Pop is just popular doesn't mean it has to have synths or dance track in the music

And you think that when the Ramones came out they were playing a type of music that was popular?

[Maid Meringue]

Hmmm a Green day song that sounds like an Op Ivy song...Let me think... Perhaps the OPERATION IVY SONG KNOWLEDGE WHICH GREEN DAY COVERED! Second thing is that the Ramones were revolutionary for there time and sounded nothing like pop at the time they came out. I recommend that you listen to Henry Rollins' take on the Ramones, and how independent of any other music genre they were. Also, my point is that all three of those bands are indeed punk rock bands, and what time period they hail from is irrelevant because they are the same genre. By your logic NOFX is completely different than Bad Religion because Bad Religion predates them, when Bad Religion is in fact an influence to Fat Mike and THEY SHARE THE SAME GENRE.

The logical one?

Have you heard the actual Op Ivy version of that song? The only thing that's the same is the lyrics

Does covering Survivor, Tom Petty and Lynard Skynard make any difference as well?

oohhhh okay I get it now. You umbrella everything under the term Punk Rock. I did that when I was a kid too.

Then I realized that lumping them together is a smack in the face to not only the subgenres, but the subcultures that birthed them. It's childish to think that a band like NOFX and Bad Religion are the same because their lyrical content and composition are significantly different. I think there's something to be said about influence vs lineage.

Time period drastically changes the definition of what punk is, and what values are attributed to it.

I'm not arguing with you, because it really comes down to your own beliefs. But don't be afraid of looking like a dumbass when you bring a Flogging Molly record to a D.O.A. show.