grene cniht Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I know it's quite a weird question, because, to some extent, 21st Century Breakdown is American Idiot's son, and we can hardly imagine 21CB to be released without AI. But what if the band had created something like 21CB instead of AI? Would it have gotten the same success as AI? In my opinion it would have done even better in terms of positive reviews, sellings and popularity, which is basically to say that it would have been considered as one of the most successful records in the last 20 years, given that American Idiot was such a huge success for both the band and punk-rock music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 No more rock operas I beg you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 No more rock operas I beg you!No one actually suggested any more. Feel free to answer the question being asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 If it was, then I'd have never fallen in love with Green Day. So thanks for hypothetically ruining my life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I actually don't think it would've done as well as AI. It was a fantastic album, but AI is more "punk" and better suited for their "comeback" (I refuse to actually call it a comeback because they never went anywhere). 21CB is a bit too much of a departure from their expected sound to really take back the world's attention like AI did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malleus Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 It wouldn't have the same success as AI but I believe it'd be generally praised higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 No one actually suggested any more. Feel free to answer the question being asked. ...wouldn't change anything. Still garbage the same as AI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckWithDom Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 ...wouldn't change anything. Still garbage the same as AI.garabage?! American idiot and 21st century breakdown are garbage?! I honestly wonder if you're a horrible troll sometimes, or instead just really, really fucking dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 garabage?! American idiot and 21st century breakdown are garbage?! I honestly wonder if you're a horrible troll sometimes, or instead just really, really fucking dumb Crikey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanda Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 There's your answer, Dom. He's both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckWithDom Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 There's your answer, Dom. He's both.the answer has been spoken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 You're a troll if you think AI is garbage? That's new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveblondiebilliejoe Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 If 21stCB had been released before AI then Green Day wouldn't have gotten the same amount of praise as if they would've released AI first. AI was a birth into a new generation of punk. I also sort of like the rock opera thing they've been doing so.....yeah. -Oh, and also Billie Joe might have not decided to keep his hair black n fluffy for this long. JUST SAYIN' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grene cniht Posted September 13, 2014 Author Share Posted September 13, 2014 If it was, then I'd have never fallen in love with Green Day. So thanks for hypothetically ruining my life Well you ruined mine when you said this: I had a wild jungle last year. RIP my pubes, Sept 2013 - Feb 2014. You won't be missed And not even hypothetically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 You're a troll if you think AI is garbage? That's new. I'd hardly call that new. Go back to GSB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I actually don't think it would've done as well as AI. It was a fantastic album, but AI is more "punk" and better suited for their "comeback" (I refuse to actually call it a comeback because they never went anywhere). 21CB is a bit too much of a departure from their expected sound to really take back the world's attention like AI did. AI is far from being punk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Benjamin Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 AI is far from being punk...St. Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 AI is far from being punk... I know, but it's more punk than 21CB, and about as punk as Dookie was, so it'd be better than 21CB at bringing Green Day back to the forefront of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 AI = arena punk 21CB = stadium punk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 AI = arena punk 21CB = stadium punk Green Day != punk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 If you think American Idiot is punk then you're obviously comparing it to gross 21st century punk bands like everything that's in Kerrang, and not comparing it to the early punk bands or the east bay punk bands that Green Day was influenced by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 If you think American Idiot is punk then you're obviously comparing it to gross 21st century punk bands like everything that's in Kerrang, and not comparing it to the early punk bands or the east bay punk bands that Green Day was influenced by. Honestly, if punk is just about relatively simple instrumentation, chord progressions, and production, I'd say that Green Day's stuff through Nimrod. could be considered punk, just very melodic punk. Even in Nimrod. they were diversifying though, and obviously Warning firmly shifted them away from the genre entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Honestly, if punk is just about relatively simple instrumentation, chord progressions, and production, I'd say that Green Day's stuff through Nimrod. could be considered punk, just very melodic punk. Even in Nimrod. they were diversifying though, and obviously Warning firmly shifted them away from the genre entirely. Yep, I agree. Up through Nimrod was punk, and after that they became more "stadium" as someone said, whatever that means. It's difficult for me to classify Warning-21CB and then Tre, cause I don't listen to any other bands that are similar to those styles. So I have no clue where to go with those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Yep, I agree. Up through Nimrod was punk, and after that they became more "stadium" as someone said, whatever that means. It's difficult for me to classify Warning-21CB and then Tre, cause I don't listen to any other bands that are similar to those styles. So I have no clue where to go with those. Warning is a weird blend of folk rock and pop rock. AI and 21CB are varied, but overall classic 70s-style hard rock a la The Who, and Queen's more anthemic stuff. The Trilogy is pretty much pure pop rock. That's how I categorize them anyway. I suppose if one were being generous they could say a lot of the Trilogy is "punk" because of the simple progressions, but the production isn't anywhere near dirty enough IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Warning is a weird blend of folk rock and pop rock. AI and 21CB are varied, but overall classic 70s-style hard rock a la The Who, and Queen's more anthemic stuff. The Trilogy is pretty much pure pop rock. That's how I categorize them anyway. I suppose if one were being generous they could say a lot of the Trilogy is "punk" because of the simple progressions, but the production isn't anywhere near dirty enough IMO. Yeah, Uno is more pop punk, dos is more dirty pop-rock, and Tre is, again, indescribable when you have such oddballs as Brutal Love, DRB, and The Forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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