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#1 Morrissey.

 
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Posted 09 June 2014 - 02:31 AM

A shitstorm has emerged on Twitter after it came to light that spikes designed to deter rough sleepers have been installed outside a block of flats in Southwark, London. This kind of thing is nothing new; these spikes been springing up outside shops around more affluent areas of the city, such as on Regent Street, for a while:

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Here's the photo from the block of flats:

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Clearly the goal is to stop homeless people sleeping outside residential buildings and businesses, and obviously the prevailing opinion is that it's horrific to demonise homeless people like this, as well as making life even more difficult for them. Even David Schneider has had his say on the matter, tweeting:

 

"Is that where we are now in Britain?

"How can we rid ourselves of the problem of homelessness?"

- "Little spikes in the ground?" 

- "Genius!"

 

So, how do you feel about it? Is it barbaric, or would you be comfortable with someone sleeping in your doorway? Obviously people have taken this as someone's attempt to "fix homelessness," but I don't really think that was the intention in the first place.

 

Here's a news story on the subject.

 

A homeless person was not available for comment.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 02:39 AM

I'm on the fence about whether it's alright for a private building/business to do. But the claim by some people that it's to help homeless people/help end homelessness is the biggest load of shit I've ever heard.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 02:46 AM

Maybe it's the fact that it's almost 5am but fuck, this is funny as shit to me. Why you really think hard about it, it's sad and scary, but on the surface something about this is so hilarious. Fucking homeless people spikes.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 02:55 AM

That's what those things are? I thought they were for pigeons.

Aren't we (quite conveniently) shifting the blame, though? It should be the government's fault for not stepping in, and not trying hard enough to tackle the problem instead of insulting these people who don't happen to want it living on their doorstep.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 03:28 AM

It's kind of fucked up, but can't say I blame them. If I had a business I'd be concerned about homeless people sleeping around my building. Thing is, one business alone can't fix the homeless situation and it's not fair that it becomes their responsibility. 



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 03:42 AM

I see both points. But it certainly is not gonna help the homeless. But I also know normally people don't like the homeless sleeping on their doorways and windowsills.
But spikes feel rude still.
Don't know aince here we haven't got many homeless people really and at least they don't sleep in the streets...but metropolises have their own problems.

So basically I guess spikes and their point can be understood, evenif its not necessarily right thing to do; but claiming they are helping the homeless is stupendous and actually quite hypocritical.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 04:07 AM

Instead of spending money installing spikes outside of buildings the government should be taking steps to actually help homeless people instead of allowing businesses to do this.
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Posted 09 June 2014 - 04:13 AM

Instead of spending money installing spikes outside of buildings the government should be taking steps to actually help homeless people instead of allowing businesses to do this.


True, I guess the government thinks this is much easier amd like outta sight, outta mind...but it's right wrong though I see the poibt.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 04:18 AM

Instead of spending money installing spikes outside of buildings the government should be taking steps to actually help homeless people instead of allowing businesses to do this.

The government didn't spend money on them. The business owners did.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 06:15 AM

It's disgusting. If people don't have anywhere to live, the government should be giving thems somewhere to live. This is indirectly threatening homeless people with spikes, which must be some kind of human rights offence.


Edited by SaintJimmy13, 09 June 2014 - 06:16 AM.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 06:24 AM

Seems like a great idea. Train them to get jobs as illusionists by having them lie on spikes for hours every night, eventually they'll be so good at it they'll be able to make a living doing street magic and will no longer be homeless from their new found source of income!


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 06:25 AM

I can see why flat owners & businesses would install these, as people may be thrown off from buying a flat or visiting a business if there's a bunch of homeless people sleeping outside of it, but it's sad that it's come to that state. I don't see how people could say this "fixes" homelessness though, that's a bunch of bullshit. 



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 07:31 AM

The government didn't spend money on them. The business owners did.

True. I'd hope that this would serve as a wake up call to the government that they need to tackle homelessness better though. The current one has cut welfare and homeless services meaning it's easier to become homeless and harder to get help once you are. When we're at the point that people are putting spikes outside buildings to keep homeless people away like they're pigeons it shows that the government needs to do more.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 08:41 AM

cruel, cruel people. just disgusting.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:13 AM

cruel, cruel people. just disgusting.

 

Indeed. There is no justification. 



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:21 AM

True. I'd hope that this would serve as a wake up call to the government that they need to tackle homelessness better though. The current one has cut welfare and homeless services meaning it's easier to become homeless and harder to get help once you are. When we're at the point that people are putting spikes outside buildings to keep homeless people away like they're pigeons it shows that the government needs to do more.

 

That's how I feel. I do not blame the businesses for doing this on their private property as it can affect business and, in the case of these apartment buildings, the safety of the tenants, but it's sad that such a cruel (if, imo, justifiable) act is seen as the most effective way to combat the problem. Instead of government/society treating it like the socioeconomic problem it is, homelessness is now something that is dealt with on an individual/sole business level. It's just all about getting rid of, probably, one or two people that hang around, and that's the extent of the action - jut getting them AWAY, out of sight out of mind.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 12:22 PM

Boris Johnson wants rid of them. It feels weird having him talk sense.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 12:35 PM

The worst one I saw was a bench with those spikes. There was a little meter on the side, so basically you have to pay to sit in a public place.  :mellow:



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 12:38 PM

 

Indeed. There is no justification. 

Nope. No justification at all. A private property owner has no right to discourage people from sleeping on their doorstep/windowsills!!


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 12:41 PM

Nope. No justification at all. A private property owner has no right to discourage people from sleeping on their doorstep/windowsills!!

 

They couldn't have used all that money installing those things to donate toward a local shelter? No, because they're the same types of snobs who don't want shelters anywhere near them. "Not in my backyard" pricks.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 12:42 PM

The worst one I saw was a bench with those spikes. There was a little meter on the side, so basically you have to pay to sit in a public place.  :mellow:

What the fuck?!


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 12:48 PM

 

They couldn't have used all that money installing those things to donate toward a local shelter? No, because they're the same types of snobs who don't want shelters anywhere near them. "Not in my backyard" pricks.

Don't be dramatic, it doesn't suit you.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 12:52 PM

It's not being dramatic if it's true though?


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 12:53 PM

All this prompted was a pretty big wave of guilt that I don't do more to help the homeless. Obviously these spikes are horrible but at the end of the day can I really say anything? Must do some sort of volunteer work this summer tbh.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 01:00 PM

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I think treating people as pests is pretty dramatic.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 01:01 PM

I have to say thats kinda fucked up...Maybe ok for private residents but everywhere else not ok...I mean come on Britain...America isnt even that cruel to put spikes on the street... 



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 01:10 PM

 

They couldn't have used all that money installing those things to donate toward a local shelter?

 

Donating to a local shelter doesn't mean that all the homeless people in that area would have a place to sleep every night. The course of action they chose solved their problem. In a very callous way that was, in my opinion, entirely unnecessary, but the point stands.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 01:18 PM

 

Donating to a local shelter doesn't mean that all the homeless people in that area would have a place to sleep every night. The course of action they chose solved their problem. In a very callous way that was, in my opinion, entirely unnecessary, but the point stands.

 

And they now have expensive "we are terrible people" displays by their doors, congrats to them. 


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 01:18 PM

This was an item of discussion on a TV panel show this morning. Christine Hamilton said that they are not spikes, they're studs. Spikes impale, whilst studs merely cause discomfort.
Well that's ok then :rolleyes:
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Posted 09 June 2014 - 01:19 PM

 

And they now have expensive "we are terrible people" displays by their doors, congrats to them. 

 

I guess I don't see your point. What they did wasn't illegal, even if it was hugely dickish, and if people don't like that, they can make the choice not to rent from those property managers.


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