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I don't think minors should ever be charged with crimes in adult courts. Radical, I know. But you know what, we don't go around making random exceptions for children and adolescents to drive, drink, smoke, vote, gamble, join the military or anything else. Why should crime be the only thing that doesn't work this way? 
 
This isn't to say a 17 year old serial killer should be allowed to be walking the streets. It just means to let a family court deal with them and when they're older if they're beyond help they can be institutionalized in a mental health facility or a prison indefinitely. 

 
These are usually ones at hospitals, because they are understaffed and have a whole host of people strung out on drugs and violent, unstable criminals too close to suicide attempt victims and the staff just doesn't have the resources to help. 
 
Most mental health facilities, long term ones though, have voluntary patients as a majority and it's not like stereotypes show. There are exceptions, sure. But in any case, two disturbed twelve year olds should not be denied a chance at living freely again someday if they can be rehabilitated, which we don't know. 


Frankly I wouldn't want the girls back on the streets...
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I don't think minors should ever be charged with crimes in adult courts. Radical, I know. But you know what, we don't go around making random exceptions for children and adolescents to drive, drink, smoke, vote, gamble, join the military or anything else. Why should crime be the only thing that doesn't work this way? 

 

This isn't to say a 17 year old serial killer should be allowed to be walking the streets. It just means to let a family court deal with them and when they're older if they're beyond help they can be institutionalized in a mental health facility or a prison indefinitely. 


 

These are usually ones at hospitals, because they are understaffed and have a whole host of people strung out on drugs and violent, unstable criminals too close to suicide attempt victims and the staff just doesn't have the resources to help. 

 

Most mental health facilities, long term ones though, have voluntary patients as a majority and it's not like stereotypes show. There are exceptions, sure. But in any case, two disturbed twelve year olds should not be denied a chance at living freely again someday if they can be rehabilitated, which we don't know. 

Sure, I agree they should not be denied a chance at living freely again, but I also think they should not be allowed the chance of attempting something of a similar nature or worse, so I think they should be put into some sort of institution where they can't gain access to the outside world but also receive psychological help.


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Frankly I wouldn't want the girls back on the streets...


Even if they were rehabilitated?
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if they're put in an institution for the rest of their life with no access to the "real world" how is that going to help their mental health in the long run? rehabilitation is necessary in this case but for it to work, there needs to be a final step that doesn't include them being locked up forever. that's no different to a prison.


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Well, I can safely say I never expected an episode of Supernatural to become a real life news item. Of course, even they weren't demented enough to imagine 12-year-old girls as the perpetrators.



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Even if they were rehabilitated?

Let's be real rehabilitation isn't 100%...

And if they just got rehab they'd get out sooner... Fuck that

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Let's be real rehabilitation is 100%...
And if they just got rehab they'd get out sooner... Fuck that

Well then.

So what are you saying? That if you do something bad when you're 12 your life should be over forever?

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Well then.

So what are you saying? That if you do something bad when you're 12 your life should be over forever?


They tried to murder someone... Do the crime do the time...

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They tried to murder someone... Do the crime do the time...

one of the boys who murdered james bulger used to live in the town i grew up in (under a different name, i think, but everyone knew who he was), so i don't see why this situation should be any different.

i asked my mum earlier actually and she said that both men lived in my hometown, but that's a moot point. one of the bulger murderers has been sent back to prison for child porn, iirc, but the other did his time, was rehabilitated, and is living his life somewhere under (i presume) a false alias. i don't see why this is any different. these girls are twelve years old, literal children, likely victims of serious abuse or mental health issues. they deserve help too.

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They tried to murder someone... Do the crime do the time...


So supposing the "time" is rehab..?

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i asked my mum earlier actually and she said that both men lived in my hometown, but that's a moot point. one of the bulger murderers has been sent back to prison for child porn, iirc, but the other did his time, was rehabilitated, and is living his life somewhere under (i presume) a false alias. i don't see why this is any different. these girls are twelve years old, literal children, likely victims of serious abuse or mental health issues. they deserve help too.


Why are they automatically victims of abuse or mental health? not all murderers were victims of mental health or abuse...

I'm not saying criminals can't turn straight after prison or whatever but the stats are more than likely they will be repeat offenders

The girls needs prison... Anyone who kills or tries to kill prison sorry well no not sorry...

So supposing the "time" is rehab..?


There is no murder rehab sorry prison

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There is no murder rehab sorry prison


Oh, ok. Didn't know you were a psychiatrist.
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Oh, ok. Didn't know you were a psychiatrist.


Name me one rehab place that deals on murderers? Why isn't Bundy or Manson or Dahmer there then?

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Why are they automatically victims of abuse or mental health? not all murderers were victims of mental health or abuse...

I'm not saying criminals can't turn straight after prison or whatever but the stats are more than likely they will be repeat offenders

The girls needs prison... Anyone who kills or tries to kill prison sorry well no not sorry...

There is no murder rehab sorry prison

because what kind of normal twelve year old tries to kill one of their friends? the assumption that one or both of them is a victim of abuse and/or severe mental illness is a logical one. people are not statistics. i don't understand how you aren't getting this. they're children, and they need help. locking them up for life with murderers, rapists, kidnappers, what have you is not going to be beneficial. the very least that can be done for these obviously very messed up children is offer them some degree of support; psychological counselling, a diagnosis, a regime of medication. at least try and rehabilitate them before you give up on them completely.

'rehabilitation,' by the way, doesn't refer to the type of drugs and alcohol rehab that you seem to be thinking of. we're not comparing these kids to billie joe.


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Name me one rehab place that deals on murderers? Why isn't Bundy or Manson or Dahmer there then?

 

you literally could've just googled 'criminals who've been rehabilitated'

http://www.freedomma...29i1/page30.htm

 

there's one


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you literally could've just googled 'criminals who've been rehabilitated'
http://www.freedomma...29i1/page30.htm
 
there's one


Meaning prison there is ZERO rehab facilities JUST for murderers

When my brother was paroled it stated my brother was rehabilitated he was in prison

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Meaning prison there is ZERO rehab facilities JUST for murderers

When my brother was paroled it stated my brother was rehabilitated he was in prison

 

okay then google  'mental health institutions for criminals'



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because what kind of normal twelve year old tries to kill one of their friends? the assumption that one or both of them is a victim of abuse and/or severe mental illness is a logical one. people are not statistics. i don't understand how you aren't getting this. they're children, and they need help. locking them up for life with murderers, rapists, kidnappers, what have you is not going to be beneficial. the very least that can be done for these obviously very messed up children is offer them some degree of support; psychological counselling, a diagnosis, a regime of medication. at least try and rehabilitate them before you give up on them completely.
'rehabilitation,' by the way, doesn't refer to the type of drugs and alcohol rehab that you seem to be thinking of. we're not comparing these kids to billie joe.


They won't be locked up for life they are facing up to 60 years they'd be 72 if they got the full time (which they won't) yes old but not life

And I'm talking about mental hosp not a drug rehab please do not ever in your life say what I'm confusing with...

 
okay then google  'mental health institutions for criminals'


Do you not fucking read?

There is ZERO none nada zilch rehabilitation hospitals for murderers

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They won't be locked up for life they are facing up to 60 years they'd be 72 if they got the full time (which they won't) yes old but not life

And I'm talking about mental hosp not a drug rehab please do not ever in your life say what I'm confusing with...

there's a very big difference between 12 and 72

their lives have barely started and you want them out when it's nearing their end like

 

ok



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They won't be locked up for life they are facing up to 60 years they'd be 72 if they got the full time (which they won't) yes old but not life

And I'm talking about mental hosp not a drug rehab please do not ever in your life say what I'm confusing with...

good job responding to the rest of my post and telling me what to do. a+

yeah cos 72 year olds have brilliant fucking lives, don't they? that'd give them, what, maybe 8-15 years outside of prison. they are children, i don't think i can stress that enough. they are children and they deserve help.



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there's a very big difference between 12 and 72
their lives have barely started and you want them out when it's nearing their end like
 
ok

They tried to kill a kid like what the fuck...

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yeah cos 72 year olds have brilliant fucking lives, don't they? that'd give them, what, maybe 8-15 years outside of prison. they are children, i don't think i can stress that enough. they are children and they deserve help.

They tried to murder a kid...

Let's free Manson while we are at it he was just misunderstood...

But hey let not punish the girls they just kids...

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Do you not fucking read?

There is ZERO none nada zilch rehabilitation hospitals for murderers

 

really, because when I googled it I found at least 5 in one Australian state alone. 

Of course they're not going to have institutions especially built for murderers only, because there obviously just aren't enough murderers convicted to fill those institutions. But rehabilitations institutions built for criminals will accept murderers. Why do you think the institutions should only be for murderers?



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Hey a 16 yr old is facing 50 years for raping 3 girls we should let him off too cause hey he's a kid why punish kids...

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They tried to kill a kid like what the fuck...

yeah it's fucked up. but you can't stop this shit from happening if you don't know why it happens. we can't treat each case as an individual one. we have to consider whatever factor may have influenced them to do it, and learn how to stop it. these are children. as old, as mature they think they are or as thought out their plan was, you can't treat them as adults. their brains aren't fully developed, puberty is barely at its peak if it has even started. from all the people we should really be locking up, these two kids shouldn't be part of them.



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They won't be locked up for life they are facing up to 60 years they'd be 72 if they got the full time (which they won't) yes old but not life
 

 

assuming they even live to 72



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really, because when I googled it I found at least 5 in one Australian state alone. 
Of course they're not going to have institutions especially built for murderers only, because there obviously just aren't enough murderers convicted to fill those institutions. But rehabilitations institutions built for criminals will accept murderers. Why do you think the institutions should only be for murderers?


Ok but in America we don't have that so who gives a flying fuck about outside USA when talking about a US crime?

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They tried to kill a kid like what the fuck...
They tried to murder a kid...

Let's free Manson while we are at it he was just misunderstood...

But hey let not punish the girls they just kids...

stop with the false equivalence and address the things i've said to you.



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Hey a 16 yr old is facing 50 years for raping 3 girls we should let him off too cause hey he's a kid why punish kids...

omg like stop

stop now

that's an entirely different case...



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Hey a 16 yr old is facing 50 years for raping 3 girls we should let him off too cause hey he's a kid why punish kids...

16 is a little different than 12, dude.





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